Gun Enthusiasts... what to buy?
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Glock 17 (9mm/.40) - they're rugged, easy to handle, reliable, doesn't jam easily*, and are not expensive. Some people don't like how the aim looks/works. I like it, but your mileage may vary. If you learn to shoot with it (see footnote), double taps are easy as pie, as the kick back of the Glock is very light (compared to other guns in that group). Glock is a big brand, hence you will always be able to get standard spare parts, but also extra bells and whistles such as smoother triggers. Reassembling Glocks is almost as easy as taking them apart. The Glock is, unlike the Beretta, very light as it's made mostly of composite materials. A Beretta is pretty darn heavy. Makes quick handling of the gun a lot easier. There's also a drawback with a light gun - your aim will be affected negatively. The heavier gun (up to a point) - the more steady your aim is. Of course, I've only practiced target shooting. On the other hand, shooting is shooting. If you can't hit a card board, you sure won't hit a moving target. Even though you're getting personal training, I still advise you to practice often on the firing range. Practice makes perfect! The trainer can only teach you - you're the one that has to learn. If you want to have fun while practicing, here's something you might want to try: http://www.ipsc.org/[^]. Make sure you try several guns on a firing range before you buy. *Casings will get stuck in the ejector if you don't lock your wrist (letting the gun kick "up"). It's not a biggie - you'll adapt very quickly. You'd have to be very weak to make it jam, if you grip the gun with both hands. So, even if you don't learn how to lock your wrist - just make sure to use both hands! :)
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That's what I'm lookin for. Answers like that. I intend to practice a lot. I always enjoyed it before, but I was practicing with a Remington 22, so it wasn't much fun really. I lived sort of 'on the farm', so I would occasionally buy a box of bullets and find some beer bottles and go out and shoot from different distances until I ran out of bullets. I had a 12 gauge too for a while, but I only ever fired it a few times, at pheasants. Basically, when I had the kids I sold those. I don't have that issue anymore.
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Can you legally own a gun in Sweden as well? I'm kinda curious to how many countries there are that allow this.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I'm kinda curious to how many countries there are that allow this.
Ideally... all of them. ...now there's a 'soapbox' comment :)
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MP (2) wrote:
From gun nuts like him.
I was under the impression they didn't want to turn this into a gun/no gun debate. ;P
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I was under the impression they didn't want to turn this into a gun/no gun debate.
so lets make it a martial weapon debate... I can legally buy a gun, and even carry it concealed. But carrying a concealed escrima, nunchuka, or sai I could be arrested... lets not even go into a sword...
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We have a problem with hme invasions, so... I have a Browning 9mm in a home-made couch holster with nine in the mag and one in the pipe 24/7, and my wife has a S&W Model 637 .38 revolver (the Airweights are nice, but kinda pricey). Both of us have a c/c license. For longer range stuff, I have a Model 700 Remington with a fluted barrel and chambered for .308 with what I call "reach-out-and-touch-someone" optics - and I'm good out to about 300 yards - nobody gets away. :)
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
We have a problem with home invasions
This is where criminals break into a house while the family are there? If so, something that is unheard of in the UK :sigh:
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Yeah, but it's great that we CAN if we feel the need.
I just dont get it. The thought of sitting next to a stranger no the bus with a loaded gun is far more unsettling than the unlikely prospect of a gun battle with an armed intruder in my house. Here guns and especailly ammo are hard to come by and your average thief would not have access to one. If they did come across one they would be more likely to sell it and buy some drugs (it would be worth a lot more than its normal retail value) than use it in a robbery. There is no wrong or right. If enough people in our society wanted to be armed the laws would eventually be changed but fortunately that is not the case here. I think guns are mechanically fascinating. When I was a kid my father had two. One was a Victorian miniature single shot ladies pistol and the other was a replica of Wide Erps pistol that he made himself during his apprenticeship. Both were brought to Australia in his hand luggage when he emigrated from England. They were eventually turned in to the Police during an amnesty.
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Josh Gray wrote:
a replica of Wide Erps pistol
Ummm, that's "Wyatt Earp"... :)
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Josh Gray wrote:
a replica of Wide Erps pistol
Ummm, that's "Wyatt Earp"... :)
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That's the kind of thing I don't really want to discuss. There is no specific threat. I'm just a single girl living by myself, and I can't weild a baseball bat like I used to.
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Jasmine2501 wrote:
I can't weild a baseball bat like I used to
Or the other bat either? :rolleyes:
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:laugh: I can't answer that :laugh:
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:laugh: I can't answer that :laugh:
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From gun nuts like him.
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I'm not interested in discussing my reasons for this, but a friend and former Navy SEAL told me to get this (Beretta 92FS): http://www.ozarkguns.com/Beretta/Pistols/beretta92.htm[^] They are familiar with my shooting ability and thought this would be the best choice for me because of safety reasons and ease of use. I have never owned a handgun before, but I have owned rifles and shotguns. So, if you own this gun, what do you like about it and what don't you like. If you prefer another type, tell me why. I am not interested in target shooting or any of that, I just want to be able to protect myself within my house, which is maybe 30 yards max. I would like to know if anyone is in the Denver area, if you know of a good place to train, where I can have someone show me the basics, how to make sure it shoots properly (disassembly and cleaning), how to make sure it doesn't shoot when it's not supposed to, how to aim and fire with good accuracy. I want personal training, not simply a firing range which I could do on my own - if you know of a place like that, let me know. There are many issues with this, but I don't want to discuss any gun rights or any of that. Please stick to the technical/user interface issues. One "UI" issue I had with my friend's "government-issue" Beretta was that it's kind of heavy. Much heavier than I expected (the specs said 2.5lbs, but feels like more). Talk to me about things like that. Internet searches for this information turned up a lot of crap that wasn't very useful... also, I don't trust the person selling things to necessarily give me the correct information if it's going to affect the sale. I want to be informed before I ask a salesperson anything.
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http://www.smoothjazzy.com/ - see the "Programming" section for (freeware) JazzySiteMaps, a simple application to generate .Net and Google-style sitemaps!Since you like shotguns, I would go for a Remington semi automatic 12 gague with an open choke. At 30 yards you are going to scare the shit out of any intruder. Plus, you arent likely to kill him out right.
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I did all that stuff already. Apparently, I'm elegible for a concealed carrying license if I take some class or something. That's not what I want though. Let me make this perfectly clear though, I hope I never have to use it, but if I did, it would be a shoot first kind of situation. Basically, if someone comes into my house in the middle of the night or something, and they aren't shouting loudly that they are the police (which has happened to me)... then they are going to have some kind of problem. Note: I already own lethal weapons (2 quality swords and a show one), but they would not be as quick or as accessible as a gun, since they are firmly attached to the wall. A dog is out of the question although I love them for companionship. As for handling the thing so it can not be used on me, that's one major reason why I asked about training... yes, the cops have broken into my house before, late at night, but they clearly and repeatedly identified themselves. That's when I lived with my Navy friend, so... we were heavily armed (potentially) - they were in the wrong house.
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they were in the wrong house.
I hope they paid for repairs.
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Since you like shotguns, I would go for a Remington semi automatic 12 gague with an open choke. At 30 yards you are going to scare the shit out of any intruder. Plus, you arent likely to kill him out right.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
If you're firing a gun in the direction of a person, the goal should not be to scare the shit out of them. If you're not prepared to actually kill them, you should with the tactic known as "turn and run", and hope they are as hesitant as you are to pull a trigger (and the bad guy being a poor shot would definitely be a plus for you).
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Jasmine2501 wrote:
they were in the wrong house.
I hope they paid for repairs.
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Nothing happened, they were just at the wrong address. They were supposed to be at the building across the street, but they got the Apt. Number right. I never thought to ask them how they got the door open...
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If you're firing a gun in the direction of a person, the goal should not be to scare the shit out of them. If you're not prepared to actually kill them, you should with the tactic known as "turn and run", and hope they are as hesitant as you are to pull a trigger (and the bad guy being a poor shot would definitely be a plus for you).
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
If you're firing a gun in the direction of a person, the goal should not be to scare the sh*t out of them.
Yeah I'm well aware of that. I have no issue with that. That's why shotguns are out. Those are for birds.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
We have a problem with home invasions
This is where criminals break into a house while the family are there? If so, something that is unheard of in the UK :sigh:
The perps are usually easy to catch due to their ackward walk caused by their giant brass nuts.
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http://www.chuckhawks.com/first_handgun.htm[^] My mother used to carry a small .22 caliber handgun as well. It wasn't a revolver (don't know the brand), but the kick back wasn't bad at all and well I thought it was light at least, of course it may be heavier for some to hold. Regarding safety, the obvious has been the best way. Make sure every adult that lives with you that you trust knows about it and its location, keep the safety switch on, locked up, etc. Just don't get a 357 unless you want to knock your arm off while shooting it. :laugh:
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
ust don't get a 357 unless you want to knock your arm off while shooting it.
In a word - bullshit. I own 2 357 Mags and they are both a joy to shoot. The Ruger is a bit lighter than the S&W and the recoil is a bit more but nothing to talk about. Both are, of course , wheel guns but I would sure like a semi in that caliber ( about 1500-2000 bucks ). I also own a 44 mag (Ruger) but even that bad boy does not have a enormous recoil. You know its there but you cn get back on target very quickly. Richard
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We have a problem with hme invasions, so... I have a Browning 9mm in a home-made couch holster with nine in the mag and one in the pipe 24/7, and my wife has a S&W Model 637 .38 revolver (the Airweights are nice, but kinda pricey). Both of us have a c/c license. For longer range stuff, I have a Model 700 Remington with a fluted barrel and chambered for .308 with what I call "reach-out-and-touch-someone" optics - and I'm good out to about 300 yards - nobody gets away. :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I have a Browning 9mm
I have an old Browning 9MM. They are nice but for self defense I much prefer a revolver. No safety to worry about, no slipping and sliding on spent cases, no failure mode if the ammo is good.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
For longer range stuff, I have a Model 700 Remington with a fluted barrel and chambered for .308 with what I call "reach-out-and-touch-someone" optics - and I'm good out to about 300 yards - nobody gets away
I have a custom made rifle that has the Remington breech and trigger assembly mounted on a fitted walnut monte carlo stock and a Douglass stainless steel barrel fitted with a 4-12x scope in 7MM Magnum. Good out to 1000 Yds in the right hands. My wifes uncle ( now deceased ) built it for me 20 years ago. Its heavy but Lord can it "reach out and touch someone". Very high velocity rifle. Makes a unique sound when fired. Flat shooting monster. Richard
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
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Revolvers are not good for amateurs. The single action makes aiming horrible, unless you're really good at it. If you're fighting for your life, then having to cock the damn thing is way to stressful. Semi-automatic is the way to go...
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Semi-automatic is the way to go...
Yea - right. Count the failure modes on any semi. Then on the wheel gun. Pointing your nice 40 Cal Glock at the bad guy and finding that the safety is on or theres no round in the chamber will get the old heart beating. Meanwhile I am gonna put 5 in the midsection with my 357. If that does not stop him I am toast anyway. If I need more than 5 shots then I want a M16. Richard
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
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I think its a shame that you feel the need to do this.
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Josh Gray wrote:
I think its a shame that you feel the need to do this.
Guns are a lot like parachutes. You probably will never ever need one but if you do - nothing else will take its place. Remember the old saying - "Its better to be judged by twelve than carried by six". A gun is just an insurance policy. Richard
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
