How long till HP-Compaq go out of buisness?
-
In my office the general consensus is 2 years. This could be like the celebrity death pool! I also predict that Sun most likely will go out of buisness in 5 years after the Itanium and AMD's 64-bit chips are in wide spread use.
-
In my office the general consensus is 2 years. This could be like the celebrity death pool! I also predict that Sun most likely will go out of buisness in 5 years after the Itanium and AMD's 64-bit chips are in wide spread use.
Have you guys heard about all the executive who are jumping out of the Sun ship? Amazing isn't it. When Belluzio quit MS, it was because .NET was being revamped. The XBox guy left becuase XBox sales were flat in Europe. If this axiom is applied to Sun, this could mean supernova scale problems at that company.
-
In my office the general consensus is 2 years. This could be like the celebrity death pool! I also predict that Sun most likely will go out of buisness in 5 years after the Itanium and AMD's 64-bit chips are in wide spread use.
I think this would make a good poll to take. I personally think HP is living on past reputation. There are to many MS/PC haters and Pro Java to have Sun go out unless some one else shows up. Take a look at SGI. They should have gone under last year but are still hanging on. So I vote no on Sun failing. To be conscious that you are ignorant of the facts is a great step towards Knowledge. Benjamin Disraeli
-
Have you guys heard about all the executive who are jumping out of the Sun ship? Amazing isn't it. When Belluzio quit MS, it was because .NET was being revamped. The XBox guy left becuase XBox sales were flat in Europe. If this axiom is applied to Sun, this could mean supernova scale problems at that company.
Hehehehehehehehe.... Martin Marvinski wrote: this could mean supernova scale problems at that company. BOOM! The world should rejoice on that day. David Stone dstone@newcenturytitle.com
CYNIC, n. A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision. The Devil's Dictionary, Ambrose Bierce -
I think this would make a good poll to take. I personally think HP is living on past reputation. There are to many MS/PC haters and Pro Java to have Sun go out unless some one else shows up. Take a look at SGI. They should have gone under last year but are still hanging on. So I vote no on Sun failing. To be conscious that you are ignorant of the facts is a great step towards Knowledge. Benjamin Disraeli
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Take a look at SGI. They should have gone under last year but are still hanging on. They are doomed. SGI's stock price is about 50 cents. Even in the entertainment industry, where they were strong, people are dumping them in favor of Linux. Michael A. Barnhart wrote: There are to many MS/PC haters and Pro Java to have Sun go out unless some one else shows up. I think in the time frame of 5 years Java will be completely obsolete because web services from IBM and MS will dominate. The consumers market will be 64-bit, and Sun won't have the capital to design chips to compete with Intel. Michael A. Barnhart wrote: personally think HP is living on past reputation. I think HP has an even worse problem than you describe. It has aquired a huge debt to take out a competitor for DELL. The only time you should merge in the High tech industry is when you want to kill your competitor!! Otherwise just use your cash to improve your product! Cash is everything in this industry becuase technology changes so fast it's not worth aquiring a competitior for their technology. You need money to stay competitive, just follow MS's example. 40 Billion dollars will create great products. HP will aquire Compaq, then fire all the redundant employees of Compaq and HP, thereby making the market smaller for DELL to compete in. Fiorina is so stupid.
-
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Take a look at SGI. They should have gone under last year but are still hanging on. They are doomed. SGI's stock price is about 50 cents. Even in the entertainment industry, where they were strong, people are dumping them in favor of Linux. Michael A. Barnhart wrote: There are to many MS/PC haters and Pro Java to have Sun go out unless some one else shows up. I think in the time frame of 5 years Java will be completely obsolete because web services from IBM and MS will dominate. The consumers market will be 64-bit, and Sun won't have the capital to design chips to compete with Intel. Michael A. Barnhart wrote: personally think HP is living on past reputation. I think HP has an even worse problem than you describe. It has aquired a huge debt to take out a competitor for DELL. The only time you should merge in the High tech industry is when you want to kill your competitor!! Otherwise just use your cash to improve your product! Cash is everything in this industry becuase technology changes so fast it's not worth aquiring a competitior for their technology. You need money to stay competitive, just follow MS's example. 40 Billion dollars will create great products. HP will aquire Compaq, then fire all the redundant employees of Compaq and HP, thereby making the market smaller for DELL to compete in. Fiorina is so stupid.
My understanding of the driving forces behind the merger were not so much about product, but rather services. It seems most major tech companies are looking into the future and seeing margins on hardware dropping substantially as the move into the realm of consumer electronics. Dell is likely to become a major consumer electronics brand, so by and large they'll be ok, but Compaq and HP what is there for them? I think they decided that their only real chance to maintain themselves as a major player is to move into the realm of IBM Global Services. Both companies have major professional services arms, but they are so much smaller than IBM individually, IBM gets all the cheese. Really, what options did they have? David http://www.dundas.com
-
My understanding of the driving forces behind the merger were not so much about product, but rather services. It seems most major tech companies are looking into the future and seeing margins on hardware dropping substantially as the move into the realm of consumer electronics. Dell is likely to become a major consumer electronics brand, so by and large they'll be ok, but Compaq and HP what is there for them? I think they decided that their only real chance to maintain themselves as a major player is to move into the realm of IBM Global Services. Both companies have major professional services arms, but they are so much smaller than IBM individually, IBM gets all the cheese. Really, what options did they have? David http://www.dundas.com
David Cunningham wrote: I think they decided that their only real chance to maintain themselves as a major player is to move into the realm of IBM Global Services. Both companies have major professional services arms, but they are so much smaller than IBM individually, IBM gets all the cheese. Really, what options did they have? First off, HP had to aquire Compaq, thereby giving it alot of debt. IBM has billions of dollars of cash in reserve to weather almost any storm. Debt in the high tech industry is *always* bad. Second, IBM Global Services is in the premium service market, and if you are paying alot of money, you are going to use IBM no matter what. That premium service area can't support two large companies, and HP will be the loser in that battle. The growth area is in the small and meduim sized buisness service area. If HP were smart, they would have targeted that market, as IBM is planning to do. The Compaq merger made HP loose focus, and a majority of the resources will go into completing the merger for the next 2 years. Also many employees are in limbo, and their first concern will be survial, not competing. Right now HP is a printer manufacturer, and it is going to take alot to make people take it seriously in the services arena. With the merger problems they had, most clients will not risk their buisness with HP-Compaq.
-
My understanding of the driving forces behind the merger were not so much about product, but rather services. It seems most major tech companies are looking into the future and seeing margins on hardware dropping substantially as the move into the realm of consumer electronics. Dell is likely to become a major consumer electronics brand, so by and large they'll be ok, but Compaq and HP what is there for them? I think they decided that their only real chance to maintain themselves as a major player is to move into the realm of IBM Global Services. Both companies have major professional services arms, but they are so much smaller than IBM individually, IBM gets all the cheese. Really, what options did they have? David http://www.dundas.com
David Cunningham wrote: Really, what options did they have? Oh, and to answer your question, focus on the medium and lower end service area. They should have promoted and executed that strategy instead of getting bogged down and losing years in the merger. Now IBM will enter that market too, and by the time the merger dust settles, they will lose the initiative and market share. If I were in charge of HP, I would have made the focus on the millions of medium and smaller companies in the world. Their service needs are not being meet, and HP priced it reasonably,they would have been the market leaders in that field. Compaq wouldn't have been able to compete, and would have gone out of buisness, thereby giving HP the benefit of the merger without the debt. David Cunningham wrote: Dell is likely to become a major consumer electronics brand, so by and large they'll be ok, No. They are after the services market too. They just have a different strategy, of first selling the PCs, then adding the servers, and then working their way into services. Very smart, working their way up a market, *just* like MS does. I think DELL will have a strong chance of succeeding becuase they are doing it right! Notice that DELL adopted the MS strategy of entering one market and leveraging their strength into others. (Example first selling the desktop PCs to corporations, and then making it that easy to get servers). They eliminated alot of competitors this way, and did not get bogged down in merger attempts. So remember this: DELL will get into services to compete with IBM in the lower and middle market, HP will be like SGI in two years, and SUN will be out of buisness in 5.
-
David Cunningham wrote: Really, what options did they have? Oh, and to answer your question, focus on the medium and lower end service area. They should have promoted and executed that strategy instead of getting bogged down and losing years in the merger. Now IBM will enter that market too, and by the time the merger dust settles, they will lose the initiative and market share. If I were in charge of HP, I would have made the focus on the millions of medium and smaller companies in the world. Their service needs are not being meet, and HP priced it reasonably,they would have been the market leaders in that field. Compaq wouldn't have been able to compete, and would have gone out of buisness, thereby giving HP the benefit of the merger without the debt. David Cunningham wrote: Dell is likely to become a major consumer electronics brand, so by and large they'll be ok, No. They are after the services market too. They just have a different strategy, of first selling the PCs, then adding the servers, and then working their way into services. Very smart, working their way up a market, *just* like MS does. I think DELL will have a strong chance of succeeding becuase they are doing it right! Notice that DELL adopted the MS strategy of entering one market and leveraging their strength into others. (Example first selling the desktop PCs to corporations, and then making it that easy to get servers). They eliminated alot of competitors this way, and did not get bogged down in merger attempts. So remember this: DELL will get into services to compete with IBM in the lower and middle market, HP will be like SGI in two years, and SUN will be out of buisness in 5.
"Web services".. that's the next big thing, now that we have all the "Internet Appliances" that we need, right? Yet another non-existent market, which nobody can even define, let alone identify a need for. But back on-topic: it's sad to see Fiorina killing that company. I give them five years, though: large companies do not die quickly (except for Enrons, which survive only on shell games).
-
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Take a look at SGI. They should have gone under last year but are still hanging on. They are doomed. SGI's stock price is about 50 cents. Even in the entertainment industry, where they were strong, people are dumping them in favor of Linux. Michael A. Barnhart wrote: There are to many MS/PC haters and Pro Java to have Sun go out unless some one else shows up. I think in the time frame of 5 years Java will be completely obsolete because web services from IBM and MS will dominate. The consumers market will be 64-bit, and Sun won't have the capital to design chips to compete with Intel. Michael A. Barnhart wrote: personally think HP is living on past reputation. I think HP has an even worse problem than you describe. It has aquired a huge debt to take out a competitor for DELL. The only time you should merge in the High tech industry is when you want to kill your competitor!! Otherwise just use your cash to improve your product! Cash is everything in this industry becuase technology changes so fast it's not worth aquiring a competitior for their technology. You need money to stay competitive, just follow MS's example. 40 Billion dollars will create great products. HP will aquire Compaq, then fire all the redundant employees of Compaq and HP, thereby making the market smaller for DELL to compete in. Fiorina is so stupid.
Martin, In general I agree with you except: Martin Marvinski wrote: I think in the time frame of 5 years Java will be completely obsolete because web services from IBM and MS will dominate. Now I am very much not a Java lover but take a look at products like Cocoon and Arbortext. They have an architecture that is very attractive to support very dynamic changing data services that the MS and IBM products turn out to be very expensive to maintain. That area may very well become a niche market but one that will be supported for years to come. Lets see if either of us remembers this in 5 years. In 10 years this may be true but 5 is far to short. Even if I was to make the decision to change paths today it would not show up to my customer for 3 years. To be conscious that you are ignorant of the facts is a great step towards Knowledge. Benjamin Disraeli
-
"Web services".. that's the next big thing, now that we have all the "Internet Appliances" that we need, right? Yet another non-existent market, which nobody can even define, let alone identify a need for. But back on-topic: it's sad to see Fiorina killing that company. I give them five years, though: large companies do not die quickly (except for Enrons, which survive only on shell games).
Jim A. Johnson wrote: "Web services".. that's the next big thing, now that we have all the "Internet Appliances" that we need, right? Yet another non-existent market, which nobody can even define, let alone identify a need for. Oh, I think web services and internet appliances are the next huge thing. These products and services will be combined together along with broadband. The problem is the price. Once manufactuers of automobiles, refrigerators, mircowaves, and homebuilders start integrating all these products together it will be awsome. Imagine dialing your refrigerator to see if you have milk while driving home, and telling your microwave to start cooking your meal. The service price should be combined with your phone bill, cable bill, cell phone, and .NET bill into a cost of around $50 USD a month. Thats when it will take off. Right now this stuff is in it's infancy.
-
Jim A. Johnson wrote: "Web services".. that's the next big thing, now that we have all the "Internet Appliances" that we need, right? Yet another non-existent market, which nobody can even define, let alone identify a need for. Oh, I think web services and internet appliances are the next huge thing. These products and services will be combined together along with broadband. The problem is the price. Once manufactuers of automobiles, refrigerators, mircowaves, and homebuilders start integrating all these products together it will be awsome. Imagine dialing your refrigerator to see if you have milk while driving home, and telling your microwave to start cooking your meal. The service price should be combined with your phone bill, cable bill, cell phone, and .NET bill into a cost of around $50 USD a month. Thats when it will take off. Right now this stuff is in it's infancy.
Martin Marvinski wrote: The problem is the price. Once manufactuers of automobiles, refrigerators, mircowaves, and homebuilders start integrating all these products together it will be awsome. Imagine dialing your refrigerator to see if you have milk while driving home, and telling your microwave to start cooking your meal. I can imagine it. The notion is absurd.
-
Martin Marvinski wrote: The problem is the price. Once manufactuers of automobiles, refrigerators, mircowaves, and homebuilders start integrating all these products together it will be awsome. Imagine dialing your refrigerator to see if you have milk while driving home, and telling your microwave to start cooking your meal. I can imagine it. The notion is absurd.
Jim A. Johnson wrote: I can imagine it. The notion is absurd. That's the future, there's nothing you can do to stop it, Dr. Ted Kazinski! :-D. If it isn't then MS's .NET would have failed.
-
Martin Marvinski wrote: The problem is the price. Once manufactuers of automobiles, refrigerators, mircowaves, and homebuilders start integrating all these products together it will be awsome. Imagine dialing your refrigerator to see if you have milk while driving home, and telling your microwave to start cooking your meal. I can imagine it. The notion is absurd.
Jim A. Johnson wrote: I can imagine it. The notion is absurd So is having more than 640K of ram, or the internet for that matter! Sounds like the "famous last words". :-D
-
Jim A. Johnson wrote: I can imagine it. The notion is absurd. That's the future, there's nothing you can do to stop it, Dr. Ted Kazinski! :-D. If it isn't then MS's .NET would have failed.
I would have thought that the .com bust would have opened more people's eyes to some fundamental truths, especially the notion that not everything that is imaginable is practical, or even desirable. Guess there's still some suckers out there. Too bad you guys aren't venture capitalists.
-
I would have thought that the .com bust would have opened more people's eyes to some fundamental truths, especially the notion that not everything that is imaginable is practical, or even desirable. Guess there's still some suckers out there. Too bad you guys aren't venture capitalists.
Jim A. Johnson wrote: I would have thought that the .com bust would have opened more people's eyes to some fundamental truths, especially the notion that not everything that is imaginable is practical, or even desirable The .com era sped up inovation by pumping money into the industry. I bet that without it we would still have 400 Mhz PC's and 32 MB of RAM. Thanks to the .com revolution we have PCs that are 2Ghz+ and that have 120gig harddrives.
-
In my office the general consensus is 2 years. This could be like the celebrity death pool! I also predict that Sun most likely will go out of buisness in 5 years after the Itanium and AMD's 64-bit chips are in wide spread use.
Martin Marvinski wrote: In my office the general consensus is 2 years. This could be like the celebrity death pool! I also predict that Sun most likely will go out of buisness in 5 years after the Itanium and AMD's 64-bit chips are in wide spread use. Hp / Compaq : 2 wrongs don't make a right. 2 Years till HPQ sees itself on fuckedcompnay.com and 3 years for Sun. Sun should start selling cofee, as it's java has got no taste. Cheers Mike Johannesburg, South Africa