Free Software Foundation launches FUD campaign. Click here to allow the Microsoft add-on to run...
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Just dont tell him about linux ... dont want to many ppl to know. One of the best kept secrets you know ;):-D
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I can't always be wrong ... or can I?CaveFox wrote:
dont tell him about linux
Shhhhhhhhh :laugh:
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BadVista.org: FSF launches campaign against Microsoft Vista [^] ...and yet their site insists on trying to launch MSXML 5.0 when viewed in IE7. The irony. A quote: "Obviously MS Windows is already proprietary and very restrictive, and well worth rejecting." Well, obviously. I cannot abide arguments along the line of "clearly X, therefor X is true". Fight for a just cause, don't make childish simplistic statements, don't assume that everyone hates having an OS and Office system in which everything's integrated and works and installs easily and works with your peripherals. I used to admire the FSF but more and more I just don't see how they are compatible with the Software Developer as a professional. Why should it be every person's right to have everything for free? Why should we all be encouraged to use code whose licensing terms say that the product we create must be given away for free? Are lawyers, doctors, mechanics, chefs, authors or musicians expected to do the same? Just because software is intangible and can be distributed freely with no effort doesn't mean there's a moral obligation to give it away. By all means promote free software but at least be sensible about it. Fight for things to be interoperable, fight to ensure there are options, fight to push quality and promote solutions that allow investment in innovation to promote competition and reduce costs. Not everything can be free, not everyone has a problem paying a couple of hundred bucks for a tool which forms the backbone of their job and which they use 8 hours a day 7 days a week, 50 weeks a year.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Why should it be every person's right to have everything for free? ... doesn't mean there's a moral obligation to give it away.
Yeah, there's a growing sense of entitlement these days that I find disturbing. There is no dishonor in using your talents to make a living, and those who do have zero obligation to those unwilling to provide for themselves. If someone does offer you the fruits of their labor for free, it comes out of the kindness of their heart and should be greeted with sincere gratitude, not a sense of self righteous entitlement. If you want something, offer something of value in exchange. That's the way the planet has operated for billions of years. In fact, in the animal kingdom, there's a word that eloquently describes those who are too lazy to get up off their posteriors and fend for themselves: dinner.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
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I'm glad they are promoting free software. I understand that everything cant be free but some things can, good things. I like to be able to view, edit, and redistribute the source code of a high quality program, especially a complete operating system. The restrictive nature of Trusted Computing scares me. At first it will be an extremely useful way to encrypt and secure data but over time it will restrict the kind of hardware and software you can install on to your computer. Computer manufacturers may restrict your from installing another operating system or even a newer version of the same operating system because they want you to buy a new computer with it pre installed. Just give it time and we will not even have free speech any more. You wont be able to type cuss words or anything the government doesn't see fit for its stupid slaves(which is us).
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Captain See SharpJust give it time and we will not even have free speech any more. You wont be able to type cuss words or anything the government doesn't see fit for its stupid slaves(which is us).
You live in the United States of America and enjoy freedoms that much of the human race, throughout history, has only dreamt of. That includes not only the freedom to complain, which is certainly available to you, but also the freedom to go out and work for change if you're unhappy with the current state of affairs. No one's forcing you to passively sit on your couch and take it.
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I have only one company I can get my home electricity from. Ditto for gas and cable TV. I've never understood how Microsoft could be accused of being a monopoly when all you have to do is walk across the street and buy a Mac if you don't like them. Oh, wait. Lawsuits. Money. Nevermind...
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
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Captain See SharpI understand that everything cant be free but some things can, good things.
Like broadband internet?:rolleyes:
:Gong: 歡迎光臨 吐 西批 :Gong:
VuNic wrote:
Like broadband internet?
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Chris Maunder wrote:
You ever used a Mac?
Blasphemy! :~
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I have only one company I can get my home electricity from. Ditto for gas and cable TV. I've never understood how Microsoft could be accused of being a monopoly when all you have to do is walk across the street and buy a Mac if you don't like them. Oh, wait. Lawsuits. Money. Nevermind...
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
Christopher Duncan wrote:
I've never understood how Microsoft could be accused of being a monopoly when all you have to do is walk across the street and buy a Mac if you don't like them.
They were determined to be a monopoly mostly because of their market share for Intel-compatible PC operating systems. Apple was considered to be in a different market. Cheers, Drew.
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BadVista.org: FSF launches campaign against Microsoft Vista [^] ...and yet their site insists on trying to launch MSXML 5.0 when viewed in IE7. The irony. A quote: "Obviously MS Windows is already proprietary and very restrictive, and well worth rejecting." Well, obviously. I cannot abide arguments along the line of "clearly X, therefor X is true". Fight for a just cause, don't make childish simplistic statements, don't assume that everyone hates having an OS and Office system in which everything's integrated and works and installs easily and works with your peripherals. I used to admire the FSF but more and more I just don't see how they are compatible with the Software Developer as a professional. Why should it be every person's right to have everything for free? Why should we all be encouraged to use code whose licensing terms say that the product we create must be given away for free? Are lawyers, doctors, mechanics, chefs, authors or musicians expected to do the same? Just because software is intangible and can be distributed freely with no effort doesn't mean there's a moral obligation to give it away. By all means promote free software but at least be sensible about it. Fight for things to be interoperable, fight to ensure there are options, fight to push quality and promote solutions that allow investment in innovation to promote competition and reduce costs. Not everything can be free, not everyone has a problem paying a couple of hundred bucks for a tool which forms the backbone of their job and which they use 8 hours a day 7 days a week, 50 weeks a year.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Not everything can be free, not everyone has a problem paying a couple of hundred bucks for a tool which forms the backbone of their job
Yes! If I pay for it when I have a free alternative, then I think it is worth it. Also just because someone gives something for free, that doesn't mean I need to take it up and use.
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero ப்ரம்மா
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Why should it be every person's right to have everything for free? ... doesn't mean there's a moral obligation to give it away.
Yeah, there's a growing sense of entitlement these days that I find disturbing. There is no dishonor in using your talents to make a living, and those who do have zero obligation to those unwilling to provide for themselves. If someone does offer you the fruits of their labor for free, it comes out of the kindness of their heart and should be greeted with sincere gratitude, not a sense of self righteous entitlement. If you want something, offer something of value in exchange. That's the way the planet has operated for billions of years. In fact, in the animal kingdom, there's a word that eloquently describes those who are too lazy to get up off their posteriors and fend for themselves: dinner.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
I don't mind giving away software if it is for a cause I feel driven to support(medical research,charity etc). There is a difference between that and software I write for clients or for commercial endevors I have to make a living to. Not to start a rant but the gap between the clueless users who keep clicking on flashing popups and technology savvy user is widening. I live in wonder at the nature of people who believe they can jump on the internet and romp around without getting ripped off or my personal favorite the phone call asking if deleting all the .dll to make more room to store photos could be causing the computer to crash. sorry bad support calls today guess I need to charge more. :)
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BadVista.org: FSF launches campaign against Microsoft Vista [^] ...and yet their site insists on trying to launch MSXML 5.0 when viewed in IE7. The irony. A quote: "Obviously MS Windows is already proprietary and very restrictive, and well worth rejecting." Well, obviously. I cannot abide arguments along the line of "clearly X, therefor X is true". Fight for a just cause, don't make childish simplistic statements, don't assume that everyone hates having an OS and Office system in which everything's integrated and works and installs easily and works with your peripherals. I used to admire the FSF but more and more I just don't see how they are compatible with the Software Developer as a professional. Why should it be every person's right to have everything for free? Why should we all be encouraged to use code whose licensing terms say that the product we create must be given away for free? Are lawyers, doctors, mechanics, chefs, authors or musicians expected to do the same? Just because software is intangible and can be distributed freely with no effort doesn't mean there's a moral obligation to give it away. By all means promote free software but at least be sensible about it. Fight for things to be interoperable, fight to ensure there are options, fight to push quality and promote solutions that allow investment in innovation to promote competition and reduce costs. Not everything can be free, not everyone has a problem paying a couple of hundred bucks for a tool which forms the backbone of their job and which they use 8 hours a day 7 days a week, 50 weeks a year.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
My apologies for the inadvertant low vote. I clicked the back button thinking it would take me to the post I wanted to vote on and unfortunately it put me on this one. Revoting (trying to correct the error) says "someone at this IP address already voted....". Don't know what will get recorded but if you see a three vote, it was my screwup.
Mike Poz
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BadVista.org: FSF launches campaign against Microsoft Vista [^] ...and yet their site insists on trying to launch MSXML 5.0 when viewed in IE7. The irony. A quote: "Obviously MS Windows is already proprietary and very restrictive, and well worth rejecting." Well, obviously. I cannot abide arguments along the line of "clearly X, therefor X is true". Fight for a just cause, don't make childish simplistic statements, don't assume that everyone hates having an OS and Office system in which everything's integrated and works and installs easily and works with your peripherals. I used to admire the FSF but more and more I just don't see how they are compatible with the Software Developer as a professional. Why should it be every person's right to have everything for free? Why should we all be encouraged to use code whose licensing terms say that the product we create must be given away for free? Are lawyers, doctors, mechanics, chefs, authors or musicians expected to do the same? Just because software is intangible and can be distributed freely with no effort doesn't mean there's a moral obligation to give it away. By all means promote free software but at least be sensible about it. Fight for things to be interoperable, fight to ensure there are options, fight to push quality and promote solutions that allow investment in innovation to promote competition and reduce costs. Not everything can be free, not everyone has a problem paying a couple of hundred bucks for a tool which forms the backbone of their job and which they use 8 hours a day 7 days a week, 50 weeks a year.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris, It's very nice if I save the amount for an operating system. I didn't read all replies but still I'm 'Sharing My Thoughts and views'. but still I'm looking for a Free Windows Operating System not any distribution of Linux.
Chris Maunder wrote:
and yet their site insists on trying to launch MSXML 5.0 when viewed in IE7. The irony.
I've been using Firefox from it's alpha release. Obviously I opened the link in Firefox 2.0. it dint ask me for the installation of Any components and it's clearly loaded in the browser without having any problem. I think it is the problem with IE 7 to load the XML or XHTML code using MSXML 5.0 component. How we can blame them for this? I agree with your viewpoint. Why they fear Windows, Linux related products’ source code are public but still how many people are using them? It is restricted to the developers around the world. Carpenters, chefs, drivers or even business people don't need a source code. What they are looking is product, which serves their purpose. I'm wondering, why they are targeting Windows? How many successful products in the software industry are offering their source code? Why they are not asking Adobe to share the source code of Photoshop? Why they are not asking AutoDesk to share their 3D studio max or Maya source code? They wont… But still they are targeting a single company. Most of the people want products at free of cost, not products with source code. Ok I’m not agreeing with the ‘restrictions’ in Windows licensing. Microsoft spending money for their new products and research and they are getting back through user friendly products, technologies and solid marketing capabilities. Likewise FSF can promote their products and they can find and swallow a big part of market if they can. It’s been 13-14 years Linux has introduced, still they are not strong in the general PC market and Microsoft Introducing new technologies and products and most of them are successful enough or they are making it successful through their marketing. I respect Steve Jobs than Bill Gates because his strategy for marketing new products are Amazing and he's powerful enough with his strategies of 'making money for company'. Moreover he’s one of the successful and popular Managers. Give the FSF to Steve Jobs, he’ll show, how it can catch the market as Apple increased their shares.
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BadVista.org: FSF launches campaign against Microsoft Vista [^] ...and yet their site insists on trying to launch MSXML 5.0 when viewed in IE7. The irony. A quote: "Obviously MS Windows is already proprietary and very restrictive, and well worth rejecting." Well, obviously. I cannot abide arguments along the line of "clearly X, therefor X is true". Fight for a just cause, don't make childish simplistic statements, don't assume that everyone hates having an OS and Office system in which everything's integrated and works and installs easily and works with your peripherals. I used to admire the FSF but more and more I just don't see how they are compatible with the Software Developer as a professional. Why should it be every person's right to have everything for free? Why should we all be encouraged to use code whose licensing terms say that the product we create must be given away for free? Are lawyers, doctors, mechanics, chefs, authors or musicians expected to do the same? Just because software is intangible and can be distributed freely with no effort doesn't mean there's a moral obligation to give it away. By all means promote free software but at least be sensible about it. Fight for things to be interoperable, fight to ensure there are options, fight to push quality and promote solutions that allow investment in innovation to promote competition and reduce costs. Not everything can be free, not everyone has a problem paying a couple of hundred bucks for a tool which forms the backbone of their job and which they use 8 hours a day 7 days a week, 50 weeks a year.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
> Not everything can be free, not everyone has a problem paying a couple of hundred bucks for a tool which forms the backbone of their job and which they use 8 hours a day 7 days a week, 50 weeks a year. Free as in speech, not (just) free as in beer. There are many people making money and a living from free software, and although I'm happy to pay for software, I'm equally happy to use free open source software. Did I mention how well the spell checker works in Firefox? :) If nothing else, free software makes our industry more honest by providing competition and forcing companies which compete against free software to produce value and improve quality. > By all means promote free software but at least be sensible about it. Fight for things to be interoperable, fight to ensure there are options, fight to push quality and promote solutions that allow investment in innovation to promote competition and reduce costs. Absolutely, I couldn't agree more, but do you really think you'd be using IE7 now if there wasn't a Firefox? Business is there to make money, but software is more than just a business. /slips off soapbox
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> Not everything can be free, not everyone has a problem paying a couple of hundred bucks for a tool which forms the backbone of their job and which they use 8 hours a day 7 days a week, 50 weeks a year. Free as in speech, not (just) free as in beer. There are many people making money and a living from free software, and although I'm happy to pay for software, I'm equally happy to use free open source software. Did I mention how well the spell checker works in Firefox? :) If nothing else, free software makes our industry more honest by providing competition and forcing companies which compete against free software to produce value and improve quality. > By all means promote free software but at least be sensible about it. Fight for things to be interoperable, fight to ensure there are options, fight to push quality and promote solutions that allow investment in innovation to promote competition and reduce costs. Absolutely, I couldn't agree more, but do you really think you'd be using IE7 now if there wasn't a Firefox? Business is there to make money, but software is more than just a business. /slips off soapbox
si618 wrote:
If nothing else, free software makes our industry more honest by providing competition and forcing companies which compete against free software to produce value and improve quality.
Absolutely!
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero ப்ரம்மா
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Captain See SharpI understand that everything cant be free but some things can, good things.
Like broadband internet?:rolleyes:
:Gong: 歡迎光臨 吐 西批 :Gong:
Maybe where you live! In South Africa, due to the one (a previously state-owned) company running the telecoms, we pay the equivalent of $100/month for a 512kbps line with a 5GB download cap! Some people have calculated that to download 100GB of data in SA (I might have that figure wrong) will take you longer and cost you more than to get on a plane, fly to Singapore, download it there and fly back again.... And that's why Africa is on the wrong side of the technical devide! See www.mybroadband.co.za for more info.
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Maybe where you live! In South Africa, due to the one (a previously state-owned) company running the telecoms, we pay the equivalent of $100/month for a 512kbps line with a 5GB download cap! Some people have calculated that to download 100GB of data in SA (I might have that figure wrong) will take you longer and cost you more than to get on a plane, fly to Singapore, download it there and fly back again.... And that's why Africa is on the wrong side of the technical devide! See www.mybroadband.co.za for more info.
Venox7 wrote:
equivalent of $100/month for a 512kbps line with a 5GB download cap!
Tell me the company name.. let me check if it's the same who's providing here. :mad: huh, cuz the story is exactly the same here. 512 KBPS, 5 GB, 4500 RS (100$). Too bad, very expensive. But the only advantage with them is that they provide night(MID NIGHT X| !) time free access. I use a 128Kbps darned Broadband line, with no cap. It's good for normal browsing but totally sucks when you try something that talks or that shows something moving! I mean streaming just sucks totally. Can't even touch Youtube, gvideo kinda sites.
Venox7 wrote:
And that's why Africa is on the wrong side of the technical devide
So we are on the same side! And BTW, why I asked "internet?" to CSS was that the other day he was talking about stealing a wireless internet account to download files for free!.
:Gong: 歡迎光臨 吐 西批 :Gong:
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Why should it be every person's right to have everything for free? ... doesn't mean there's a moral obligation to give it away.
Yeah, there's a growing sense of entitlement these days that I find disturbing. There is no dishonor in using your talents to make a living, and those who do have zero obligation to those unwilling to provide for themselves. If someone does offer you the fruits of their labor for free, it comes out of the kindness of their heart and should be greeted with sincere gratitude, not a sense of self righteous entitlement. If you want something, offer something of value in exchange. That's the way the planet has operated for billions of years. In fact, in the animal kingdom, there's a word that eloquently describes those who are too lazy to get up off their posteriors and fend for themselves: dinner.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Yeah, there's a growing sense of entitlement these days that I find disturbing. There is no dishonor in using your talents to make a living, and those who do have zero obligation to those unwilling to provide for themselves.
Sadly, that isn't the case. The obligation is referred to as 'tax', and those unwilling to provide for themselves are referred to as 'politicians'. Other than that, you got my five.
Steve S Developer for hire
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_alank wrote:
That isn't their fault that is just what is lacking in the free OS compared to what is available under Windows
or maybe the guy who wrote that bit was a Windows programmer, not a Linux programmer.
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It really shouldn't matter about the platform on which it runs. The platform should actually only be Mozilla not windows or linux. That is what you are writing when authoring a Mozilla/Firefox add-in you should be referencing XPCom not platform API. So while I didn't delve to deeply into the code I actually figure this is really a lack of parity on the FF 2.0 edition I just installed on my copy of Debian. As I said in my original post the first thing I noticed was the font display problem with FF 2.0. Most everything else I use in this installation of Debian seems fine as far as font display is concerned.
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It really shouldn't matter about the platform on which it runs. The platform should actually only be Mozilla not windows or linux. That is what you are writing when authoring a Mozilla/Firefox add-in you should be referencing XPCom not platform API. So while I didn't delve to deeply into the code I actually figure this is really a lack of parity on the FF 2.0 edition I just installed on my copy of Debian. As I said in my original post the first thing I noticed was the font display problem with FF 2.0. Most everything else I use in this installation of Debian seems fine as far as font display is concerned.
_alank wrote:
That is what you are writing when authoring a Mozilla/Firefox add-in you should be referencing XPCom not platform API. So while I didn't delve to deeply into the code I actually figure this is really a lack of parity on the FF 2.0 edition I just installed on my copy of Debian.
perhaps XPCom doesn't behave the same on Windows as it does on other platforms.
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I'm glad they are promoting free software. I understand that everything cant be free but some things can, good things. I like to be able to view, edit, and redistribute the source code of a high quality program, especially a complete operating system. The restrictive nature of Trusted Computing scares me. At first it will be an extremely useful way to encrypt and secure data but over time it will restrict the kind of hardware and software you can install on to your computer. Computer manufacturers may restrict your from installing another operating system or even a newer version of the same operating system because they want you to buy a new computer with it pre installed. Just give it time and we will not even have free speech any more. You wont be able to type cuss words or anything the government doesn't see fit for its stupid slaves(which is us).
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BadVista.org: FSF launches campaign against Microsoft Vista [^] ...and yet their site insists on trying to launch MSXML 5.0 when viewed in IE7. The irony. A quote: "Obviously MS Windows is already proprietary and very restrictive, and well worth rejecting." Well, obviously. I cannot abide arguments along the line of "clearly X, therefor X is true". Fight for a just cause, don't make childish simplistic statements, don't assume that everyone hates having an OS and Office system in which everything's integrated and works and installs easily and works with your peripherals. I used to admire the FSF but more and more I just don't see how they are compatible with the Software Developer as a professional. Why should it be every person's right to have everything for free? Why should we all be encouraged to use code whose licensing terms say that the product we create must be given away for free? Are lawyers, doctors, mechanics, chefs, authors or musicians expected to do the same? Just because software is intangible and can be distributed freely with no effort doesn't mean there's a moral obligation to give it away. By all means promote free software but at least be sensible about it. Fight for things to be interoperable, fight to ensure there are options, fight to push quality and promote solutions that allow investment in innovation to promote competition and reduce costs. Not everything can be free, not everyone has a problem paying a couple of hundred bucks for a tool which forms the backbone of their job and which they use 8 hours a day 7 days a week, 50 weeks a year.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Well said dude...well said :cool:
It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!