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Zac Howland wrote:
11 months? You do move fast, don't you I usually move much slower (I'm a bit of a romantic, but I force myself to resist moving too fast to avoid repeating certain mistakes of my youth). I dated my last girlfriend for 2.5 years (and lived with her for over a year) before even thinking about proposing. It took that long for her to show her true colors ...
I don't think that's fast. Besides, I was (and still am) in love. I also don't believe in living together before marriage. I knew what I wanted and went for it. Life's too short to dilly dally. I'm very happy I did it, too.
Zac Howland wrote:
Ouch! lol I can't say too much though. I spent $3000 on the present I got my girlfriend last year. We had been together for 2 years at that point, though.
Well she's a stay-at-home wife, so that has to be worth something to her too. :)
Red Stateler wrote:
I don't think that's fast. Besides, I was (and still am) in love. I also don't believe in living together before marriage. I knew what I wanted and went for it. Life's too short to dilly dally. I'm very happy I did it, too.
Gotcha. I'm on the other end of the spectrum as far as living together before marriage ... but that comes from past experiences. You never truly know someone until you see them consistently 24 hours a day. I'm glad things seem to have worked out for you, though. Sadly, it is a rare occurance in today's society.
Red Stateler wrote:
Well she's a stay-at-home wife, so that has to be worth something to her too.
Are you guys planning on having kids sometime in the near future? Curiousity has the better of me here ... what does she do all day?
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Just a "bit" inappropriate ... and far too soon.
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Red Stateler wrote:
I don't think that's fast. Besides, I was (and still am) in love. I also don't believe in living together before marriage. I knew what I wanted and went for it. Life's too short to dilly dally. I'm very happy I did it, too.
Gotcha. I'm on the other end of the spectrum as far as living together before marriage ... but that comes from past experiences. You never truly know someone until you see them consistently 24 hours a day. I'm glad things seem to have worked out for you, though. Sadly, it is a rare occurance in today's society.
Red Stateler wrote:
Well she's a stay-at-home wife, so that has to be worth something to her too.
Are you guys planning on having kids sometime in the near future? Curiousity has the better of me here ... what does she do all day?
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Zac Howland wrote:
Gotcha. I'm on the other end of the spectrum as far as living together before marriage ... but that comes from past experiences. You never truly know someone until you see them consistently 24 hours a day. I'm glad things seem to have worked out for you, though. Sadly, it is a rare occurance in today's society.
Statistically your marriage is much more likely to end in divorce if you lived together prior to marriage. Marriage requires work, and I think if you live together, there's nothing to force compromise. Other times, I think marriage is sought as a rememdy for a broken live-in relationship which, when it doesn't pan out, results in divorce.
Zac Howland wrote:
Are you guys planning on having kids sometime in the near future? Curiousity has the better of me here ... what does she do all day?
Yeah. We're hoping in maybe a year or two we'll start trying for one. We're getting all the fun out of our system first. During the day, she does the pool boy.
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Flowers are 100% a great idea, for any occasion. As long as the gift set has some nice smelling lotion, a nice smelling bubble bath of some kind(that may be a plus for you as well :laugh:), and, well those are the two key elements, anything else is a bonus.
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I totally agree. If there is a particular flower that would have meaning for her, that would be the type of flower I would get for her. The bath stuff is also good. GOOD LUCK!
John P.
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V. wrote:
Why not a citytrip
What do you mean by "citytrip"?
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In Europe a citytrip is when you go away for the weekend to visit a city (in our case mostly another country, eg Paris, Barcelona, Rome and London are popular "City trips"). You book a hotel, leave friday night and return sundaynight. Go to all the famous places, eat out, ... That kind of stuff; Just out for the weekend.
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Zac Howland wrote:
Gotcha. I'm on the other end of the spectrum as far as living together before marriage ... but that comes from past experiences. You never truly know someone until you see them consistently 24 hours a day. I'm glad things seem to have worked out for you, though. Sadly, it is a rare occurance in today's society.
Statistically your marriage is much more likely to end in divorce if you lived together prior to marriage. Marriage requires work, and I think if you live together, there's nothing to force compromise. Other times, I think marriage is sought as a rememdy for a broken live-in relationship which, when it doesn't pan out, results in divorce.
Zac Howland wrote:
Are you guys planning on having kids sometime in the near future? Curiousity has the better of me here ... what does she do all day?
Yeah. We're hoping in maybe a year or two we'll start trying for one. We're getting all the fun out of our system first. During the day, she does the pool boy.
Red Stateler wrote:
Statistically your marriage is much more likely to end in divorce if you lived together prior to marriage. Marriage requires work, and I think if you live together, there's nothing to force compromise.
That is where my approach differs. If you can't live together as if you were married and be happy, you won't be able to do so if you actually are married. Marriage doesn't fix any problems, it only creates new ones to solve. If you can't fix the ones you have when you just live together, you won't be able to survive marriage (at least that has been my experience ... though, I've never gotten down the aisle either). Statistically speaking, marriages entered into just so you could have sex (which is the pitfall of the True Love Waits campaign in my opinion) are just as likely to end in divorce.
Red Stateler wrote:
During the day, she does the pool boy.
Ah, at least you are comfortable with the whole Desperate Housewives lifestyle now ... it will make things easier down the road ;)
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I totally agree. If there is a particular flower that would have meaning for her, that would be the type of flower I would get for her. The bath stuff is also good. GOOD LUCK!
John P.
jparken wrote:
I totally agree. If there is a particular flower that would have meaning for her, that would be the type of flower I would get for her.
Thankfully, she is relatively easy to please in that regard as her favorite flower is the simple red rose.
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In Europe a citytrip is when you go away for the weekend to visit a city (in our case mostly another country, eg Paris, Barcelona, Rome and London are popular "City trips"). You book a hotel, leave friday night and return sundaynight. Go to all the famous places, eat out, ... That kind of stuff; Just out for the weekend.
V.
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In Europe a citytrip is when you go away for the weekend to visit a city (in our case mostly another country, eg Paris, Barcelona, Rome and London are popular "City trips"). You book a hotel, leave friday night and return sundaynight. Go to all the famous places, eat out, ... That kind of stuff; Just out for the weekend.
Ah, gotcha. It is a little too early for something like that. That is a good idea for a couple months down the road though.
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Completely away from the normal flaming of typical day in the Soapbox, perhaps some of you can offer me some advice here. I've started dating someone new a few weeks before Christmas (which is generally a bad idea, but ignore that fact for now). My question is, what would be an acceptable gift to give her for Christmas. Mainly, I don't want her to think I'm cheap (or worse, that I give without giving much thought to what the receiver likes) while at the same time not spending some absurd amount and scaring her away. I was thinking maybe sending her flowers and giving her a gift set from Bath and Body Works ... Any thoughts?
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And bring his two worlds colliding? There is Relationship George, and there is Independent George...you are killing Independent George! A George divided against itself... cannot stand!
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Just a "bit" inappropriate ... and far too soon.
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Zac Howland wrote:
... and far too soon.
If you haven't scored after 3 weeks maybe you should be thinking more about what she might give you! Perhaps booze would be the best gift to get her?
Wjousts wrote:
If you haven't scored after 3 weeks maybe you should be thinking more about what she might give you!
:rolleyes:
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Red Stateler wrote:
Statistically your marriage is much more likely to end in divorce if you lived together prior to marriage. Marriage requires work, and I think if you live together, there's nothing to force compromise.
That is where my approach differs. If you can't live together as if you were married and be happy, you won't be able to do so if you actually are married. Marriage doesn't fix any problems, it only creates new ones to solve. If you can't fix the ones you have when you just live together, you won't be able to survive marriage (at least that has been my experience ... though, I've never gotten down the aisle either). Statistically speaking, marriages entered into just so you could have sex (which is the pitfall of the True Love Waits campaign in my opinion) are just as likely to end in divorce.
Red Stateler wrote:
During the day, she does the pool boy.
Ah, at least you are comfortable with the whole Desperate Housewives lifestyle now ... it will make things easier down the road ;)
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Zac Howland wrote:
That is where my approach differs. If you can't live together as if you were married and be happy, you won't be able to do so if you actually are married. Marriage doesn't fix any problems, it only creates new ones to solve. If you can't fix the ones you have when you just live together, you won't be able to survive marriage (at least that has been my experience ... though, I've never gotten down the aisle either).
That's the absolute reversal of truth. Marriage forces you to fix problems (if you actually respect marriage for what it is) because it is designed as a permanent bond. The only reason to fix any problems when living together is out of convenience. If you approach marriage selfishly and expect to make no concessions, then it will certainly fail. Living together without permanent commitment is selfish since it's designed to provide a self-assurance of comfort with your mate (often at the expense of the other party). That may be why marriages started by living together first are so apt to failure.
Zac Howland wrote:
Statistically speaking, marriages entered into just so you could have sex (which is the pitfall of the True Love Waits campaign in my opinion) are just as likely to end in divorce.
Again, that's a selfish reason to enter into marriage which is contrary to its purpose.
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Zac Howland wrote:
That is where my approach differs. If you can't live together as if you were married and be happy, you won't be able to do so if you actually are married. Marriage doesn't fix any problems, it only creates new ones to solve. If you can't fix the ones you have when you just live together, you won't be able to survive marriage (at least that has been my experience ... though, I've never gotten down the aisle either).
That's the absolute reversal of truth. Marriage forces you to fix problems (if you actually respect marriage for what it is) because it is designed as a permanent bond. The only reason to fix any problems when living together is out of convenience. If you approach marriage selfishly and expect to make no concessions, then it will certainly fail. Living together without permanent commitment is selfish since it's designed to provide a self-assurance of comfort with your mate (often at the expense of the other party). That may be why marriages started by living together first are so apt to failure.
Zac Howland wrote:
Statistically speaking, marriages entered into just so you could have sex (which is the pitfall of the True Love Waits campaign in my opinion) are just as likely to end in divorce.
Again, that's a selfish reason to enter into marriage which is contrary to its purpose.
Red Stateler wrote:
That's the absolute reversal of truth. Marriage forces you to fix problems (if you actually respect marriage for what it is) because it is designed as a permanent bond. The only reason to fix any problems when living together is out of convenience. If you approach marriage selfishly and expect to make no concessions, then it will certainly fail. Living together without permanent commitment is selfish since it's designed to provide a self-assurance of comfort with your mate (often at the expense of the other party). That may be why marriages started by living together first are so apt to failure.
We'll have to agree to disagree there.
Red Stateler wrote:
Again, that's a selfish reason to enter into marriage which is contrary to its purpose.
Selfish though it may be, it is reality.
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Zac Howland wrote:
I do hope it took you longer than 3 weeks to get to that point though
Yeah, I took her to the Virgin Islands to propose after having been dating for about 11 months (I'm a romantic, so listening to me might not be a good idea).
Zac Howland wrote:
So did you get her Christmas gifts AND birthday presents?
Actually we had met right around Christmas, so I don't think I got her a Christmas present (I was also out of town). I do hate it, though, because I'll buy her a Christmas present and then realize I need to get her a birthday present after a couple weeks. This year I got her a Dior handbag ($1,000, but on sale for only $700!) for Christmas and now need to think of what I'll get her for her birthday in just a couple weeks. I'm probably going to spend the same amount on earrings. Chicks are expensive. It's better if you just invest your money in ETFs instead.
Red Stateler wrote:
Dior handbag ($1,000, but on sale for only $700!)
I find this odd. First, you're buying the name Dior because why? It's cool? It's like high school when you have to wear the right brand of jeans to be in the In Crowd. Seems like conforming--a leftist idea isn't it? Not all chicks are expensive. I'd smack my husband if he spent that much money on a worthless item. It would be one thing if it had true value, but the bag is going to get used and eventually ruined. Your wife is obviously materialistic--I can see why you like her so much. Well, I guess she'll have something to focus on while she's in labor for the umpeenth time. BTW, when most girls see a Louis Vitton bag or something like that we assume it's fake and trying to look hip. If you have the money to WASTE on a real one then you are as much of a joke. You are either a poser or a materialistic poser. Seems like even I have a better idea of what the meaning of Christmas is than you.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Dior handbag ($1,000, but on sale for only $700!)
I find this odd. First, you're buying the name Dior because why? It's cool? It's like high school when you have to wear the right brand of jeans to be in the In Crowd. Seems like conforming--a leftist idea isn't it? Not all chicks are expensive. I'd smack my husband if he spent that much money on a worthless item. It would be one thing if it had true value, but the bag is going to get used and eventually ruined. Your wife is obviously materialistic--I can see why you like her so much. Well, I guess she'll have something to focus on while she's in labor for the umpeenth time. BTW, when most girls see a Louis Vitton bag or something like that we assume it's fake and trying to look hip. If you have the money to WASTE on a real one then you are as much of a joke. You are either a poser or a materialistic poser. Seems like even I have a better idea of what the meaning of Christmas is than you.
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Ouch ... that was a bit harsh ... Back on topic, I'd love a female's opinion on this topic ...
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Red Stateler wrote:
Dior handbag ($1,000, but on sale for only $700!)
I find this odd. First, you're buying the name Dior because why? It's cool? It's like high school when you have to wear the right brand of jeans to be in the In Crowd. Seems like conforming--a leftist idea isn't it? Not all chicks are expensive. I'd smack my husband if he spent that much money on a worthless item. It would be one thing if it had true value, but the bag is going to get used and eventually ruined. Your wife is obviously materialistic--I can see why you like her so much. Well, I guess she'll have something to focus on while she's in labor for the umpeenth time. BTW, when most girls see a Louis Vitton bag or something like that we assume it's fake and trying to look hip. If you have the money to WASTE on a real one then you are as much of a joke. You are either a poser or a materialistic poser. Seems like even I have a better idea of what the meaning of Christmas is than you.
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I've heard this tirade before. It typically comes from jealous poor people. Put it this way, if you ever shopped anywhere other than Wal-Mart, someone in a trailer is feeling the same way about you as you feel about me right now.
leckey wrote:
Seems like even I have a better idea of what the meaning of Christmas is than you.
And that is...Bitterness derived from envy?
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I've heard this tirade before. It typically comes from jealous poor people. Put it this way, if you ever shopped anywhere other than Wal-Mart, someone in a trailer is feeling the same way about you as you feel about me right now.
leckey wrote:
Seems like even I have a better idea of what the meaning of Christmas is than you.
And that is...Bitterness derived from envy?
hate to break this to you, but I have a lot of money I can waste on handbags, clothes, vacations...I put a higher value on other things like CHARITY. But that's so leftist. Especailly at Christmas. No one should give money at Christmas--helps those leftist agendas.
Red Stateler wrote:
Bitterness derived from envy?
I have ZERO desire to be driven by materialistic goods/brand names. You think it's jealousy because you are small-minded. I'm driven by my heart and doing the right thing. The only thing I'm bitter about is the waste of money that you could give to a charity/research to help others besides those around you who make you feel more important. I'm quite content in knowing that when it's all said and done I made more moral choices than material choices.
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Ouch ... that was a bit harsh ... Back on topic, I'd love a female's opinion on this topic ...
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Harsh? He's on here every day spewing how everyone who differs in opinion from himself must be nothing more that an idiot. What's sad is no matter how anyone tries to get him to even LOOK at another perspective (not persuade, just look) he's like a little kid with his fingers in his ears screaming, "NOOOOOOOOOO!" My female opinion on holiday gifts? Give something that means something. Take a scrapbooking course and do a nice photo of you and your honey and do a scrapbooking page and put it in a frame/shadowbox. Clean her entire house/apartment. Or hire someone to do it. (Even I hate scrubbing the bathtub.) Give her a 'coupon' that she can redeem for a day of nothing but what she wants to do and you can't complain. Even if she shops for five hours and then goes to the zoo. Write down how you felt the first time you met, or kissed. My best holiday memories are of a couple lean years when I was in college. We had fun playing games. We found junk the other forgot about and re-wrapped them. (Oh, I forgot I had this!) The amount of money spent does not equate with your amount of love. Gifts are nice but at the end of the day they don't love you back.
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hate to break this to you, but I have a lot of money I can waste on handbags, clothes, vacations...I put a higher value on other things like CHARITY. But that's so leftist. Especailly at Christmas. No one should give money at Christmas--helps those leftist agendas.
Red Stateler wrote:
Bitterness derived from envy?
I have ZERO desire to be driven by materialistic goods/brand names. You think it's jealousy because you are small-minded. I'm driven by my heart and doing the right thing. The only thing I'm bitter about is the waste of money that you could give to a charity/research to help others besides those around you who make you feel more important. I'm quite content in knowing that when it's all said and done I made more moral choices than material choices.
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Normally I would chastise you for randomly entering into criticisms of people you've never met for buying their wives expensive presents while praising your supposed vast charitable contributions that you make to make yourself feel more important. But being the Christmas season, I'll refrain. After all, this is the season to respect and uplift your fellow man...Not bring him down in order to make you feel better about yourself.