Holiday gift suggestion ...
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Red Stateler wrote:
Dior handbag ($1,000, but on sale for only $700!)
I find this odd. First, you're buying the name Dior because why? It's cool? It's like high school when you have to wear the right brand of jeans to be in the In Crowd. Seems like conforming--a leftist idea isn't it? Not all chicks are expensive. I'd smack my husband if he spent that much money on a worthless item. It would be one thing if it had true value, but the bag is going to get used and eventually ruined. Your wife is obviously materialistic--I can see why you like her so much. Well, I guess she'll have something to focus on while she's in labor for the umpeenth time. BTW, when most girls see a Louis Vitton bag or something like that we assume it's fake and trying to look hip. If you have the money to WASTE on a real one then you are as much of a joke. You are either a poser or a materialistic poser. Seems like even I have a better idea of what the meaning of Christmas is than you.
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I've heard this tirade before. It typically comes from jealous poor people. Put it this way, if you ever shopped anywhere other than Wal-Mart, someone in a trailer is feeling the same way about you as you feel about me right now.
leckey wrote:
Seems like even I have a better idea of what the meaning of Christmas is than you.
And that is...Bitterness derived from envy?
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I've heard this tirade before. It typically comes from jealous poor people. Put it this way, if you ever shopped anywhere other than Wal-Mart, someone in a trailer is feeling the same way about you as you feel about me right now.
leckey wrote:
Seems like even I have a better idea of what the meaning of Christmas is than you.
And that is...Bitterness derived from envy?
hate to break this to you, but I have a lot of money I can waste on handbags, clothes, vacations...I put a higher value on other things like CHARITY. But that's so leftist. Especailly at Christmas. No one should give money at Christmas--helps those leftist agendas.
Red Stateler wrote:
Bitterness derived from envy?
I have ZERO desire to be driven by materialistic goods/brand names. You think it's jealousy because you are small-minded. I'm driven by my heart and doing the right thing. The only thing I'm bitter about is the waste of money that you could give to a charity/research to help others besides those around you who make you feel more important. I'm quite content in knowing that when it's all said and done I made more moral choices than material choices.
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Ouch ... that was a bit harsh ... Back on topic, I'd love a female's opinion on this topic ...
If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac
Harsh? He's on here every day spewing how everyone who differs in opinion from himself must be nothing more that an idiot. What's sad is no matter how anyone tries to get him to even LOOK at another perspective (not persuade, just look) he's like a little kid with his fingers in his ears screaming, "NOOOOOOOOOO!" My female opinion on holiday gifts? Give something that means something. Take a scrapbooking course and do a nice photo of you and your honey and do a scrapbooking page and put it in a frame/shadowbox. Clean her entire house/apartment. Or hire someone to do it. (Even I hate scrubbing the bathtub.) Give her a 'coupon' that she can redeem for a day of nothing but what she wants to do and you can't complain. Even if she shops for five hours and then goes to the zoo. Write down how you felt the first time you met, or kissed. My best holiday memories are of a couple lean years when I was in college. We had fun playing games. We found junk the other forgot about and re-wrapped them. (Oh, I forgot I had this!) The amount of money spent does not equate with your amount of love. Gifts are nice but at the end of the day they don't love you back.
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hate to break this to you, but I have a lot of money I can waste on handbags, clothes, vacations...I put a higher value on other things like CHARITY. But that's so leftist. Especailly at Christmas. No one should give money at Christmas--helps those leftist agendas.
Red Stateler wrote:
Bitterness derived from envy?
I have ZERO desire to be driven by materialistic goods/brand names. You think it's jealousy because you are small-minded. I'm driven by my heart and doing the right thing. The only thing I'm bitter about is the waste of money that you could give to a charity/research to help others besides those around you who make you feel more important. I'm quite content in knowing that when it's all said and done I made more moral choices than material choices.
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Normally I would chastise you for randomly entering into criticisms of people you've never met for buying their wives expensive presents while praising your supposed vast charitable contributions that you make to make yourself feel more important. But being the Christmas season, I'll refrain. After all, this is the season to respect and uplift your fellow man...Not bring him down in order to make you feel better about yourself.
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Harsh? He's on here every day spewing how everyone who differs in opinion from himself must be nothing more that an idiot. What's sad is no matter how anyone tries to get him to even LOOK at another perspective (not persuade, just look) he's like a little kid with his fingers in his ears screaming, "NOOOOOOOOOO!" My female opinion on holiday gifts? Give something that means something. Take a scrapbooking course and do a nice photo of you and your honey and do a scrapbooking page and put it in a frame/shadowbox. Clean her entire house/apartment. Or hire someone to do it. (Even I hate scrubbing the bathtub.) Give her a 'coupon' that she can redeem for a day of nothing but what she wants to do and you can't complain. Even if she shops for five hours and then goes to the zoo. Write down how you felt the first time you met, or kissed. My best holiday memories are of a couple lean years when I was in college. We had fun playing games. We found junk the other forgot about and re-wrapped them. (Oh, I forgot I had this!) The amount of money spent does not equate with your amount of love. Gifts are nice but at the end of the day they don't love you back.
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leckey wrote:
The amount of money spent does not equate with your amount of love. Gifts are nice but at the end of the day they don't love you back.
What's really interesting is that's what you took away from the fact that I got my wife an expensive handbag for Christmas. Nobody except you implied this. That leads me to believe that perhaps you believe that the price of a gift is correlated to love and perhaps your husband bought you a McDonald's gift certificate.
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Harsh? He's on here every day spewing how everyone who differs in opinion from himself must be nothing more that an idiot. What's sad is no matter how anyone tries to get him to even LOOK at another perspective (not persuade, just look) he's like a little kid with his fingers in his ears screaming, "NOOOOOOOOOO!" My female opinion on holiday gifts? Give something that means something. Take a scrapbooking course and do a nice photo of you and your honey and do a scrapbooking page and put it in a frame/shadowbox. Clean her entire house/apartment. Or hire someone to do it. (Even I hate scrubbing the bathtub.) Give her a 'coupon' that she can redeem for a day of nothing but what she wants to do and you can't complain. Even if she shops for five hours and then goes to the zoo. Write down how you felt the first time you met, or kissed. My best holiday memories are of a couple lean years when I was in college. We had fun playing games. We found junk the other forgot about and re-wrapped them. (Oh, I forgot I had this!) The amount of money spent does not equate with your amount of love. Gifts are nice but at the end of the day they don't love you back.
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leckey wrote:
Harsh? He's on here every day spewing how everyone who differs in opinion from himself must be nothing more that an idiot. What's sad is no matter how anyone tries to get him to even LOOK at another perspective (not persuade, just look) he's like a little kid with his fingers in his ears screaming, "NOOOOOOOOOO!"
Well, harsh in that I was trying to keep this thread flame-free ;P Only had limited success with that, but I guess I can't expect too much in that regard.
leckey wrote:
My female opinion on holiday gifts? Give something that means something. Take a scrapbooking course and do a nice photo of you and your honey and do a scrapbooking page and put it in a frame/shadowbox. Clean her entire house/apartment. Or hire someone to do it. (Even I hate scrubbing the bathtub.) Give her a 'coupon' that she can redeem for a day of nothing but what she wants to do and you can't complain. Even if she shops for five hours and then goes to the zoo. Write down how you felt the first time you met, or kissed.
See, my problem isn't so much that I don't know what to get her, its that we haven't been seeing each other long enough to do the types of things you mention. Even if we had started seeing each other before my birthday, it would be easier. Since we have only been seeing each other for a few weeks ... hence the problem.
leckey wrote:
The amount of money spent does not equate with your amount of love. Gifts are nice but at the end of the day they don't love you back.
While I completely agree with this, and I'm generally pretty good with gift giving, but this situation is a little different. It is MUCH too soon to say "love" ... we are still in the "get to know you ... really like you" phase.
If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac
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leckey wrote:
Harsh? He's on here every day spewing how everyone who differs in opinion from himself must be nothing more that an idiot. What's sad is no matter how anyone tries to get him to even LOOK at another perspective (not persuade, just look) he's like a little kid with his fingers in his ears screaming, "NOOOOOOOOOO!"
Well, harsh in that I was trying to keep this thread flame-free ;P Only had limited success with that, but I guess I can't expect too much in that regard.
leckey wrote:
My female opinion on holiday gifts? Give something that means something. Take a scrapbooking course and do a nice photo of you and your honey and do a scrapbooking page and put it in a frame/shadowbox. Clean her entire house/apartment. Or hire someone to do it. (Even I hate scrubbing the bathtub.) Give her a 'coupon' that she can redeem for a day of nothing but what she wants to do and you can't complain. Even if she shops for five hours and then goes to the zoo. Write down how you felt the first time you met, or kissed.
See, my problem isn't so much that I don't know what to get her, its that we haven't been seeing each other long enough to do the types of things you mention. Even if we had started seeing each other before my birthday, it would be easier. Since we have only been seeing each other for a few weeks ... hence the problem.
leckey wrote:
The amount of money spent does not equate with your amount of love. Gifts are nice but at the end of the day they don't love you back.
While I completely agree with this, and I'm generally pretty good with gift giving, but this situation is a little different. It is MUCH too soon to say "love" ... we are still in the "get to know you ... really like you" phase.
If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac
Zac Howland wrote:
While I completely agree with this, and I'm generally pretty good with gift giving, but this situation is a little different. It is MUCH too soon to say "love" ... we are still in the "get to know you ... really like you" phase.
You should definately go with the coupon book to clean her toilets, then. That's REALLY romantic! :laugh:
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Zac Howland wrote:
While I completely agree with this, and I'm generally pretty good with gift giving, but this situation is a little different. It is MUCH too soon to say "love" ... we are still in the "get to know you ... really like you" phase.
You should definately go with the coupon book to clean her toilets, then. That's REALLY romantic! :laugh:
That would actually be kind of pointless right now ... she just cleaned her house the other day ;P
If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac
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leckey wrote:
The amount of money spent does not equate with your amount of love. Gifts are nice but at the end of the day they don't love you back.
What's really interesting is that's what you took away from the fact that I got my wife an expensive handbag for Christmas. Nobody except you implied this. That leads me to believe that perhaps you believe that the price of a gift is correlated to love and perhaps your husband bought you a McDonald's gift certificate.
Red Stateler wrote:
That leads me to believe that perhaps you believe that the price of a gift is correlated to love
Since you highlighted my statement in your response you would see that I said THE EXACT OPPOSITE. But then again, you were never very good with logic. I don't care what my husband gives me for holidays/birthdays/anniversaries. I just like to be with him. If he spend $20 and it was something he put a lot of effort into (thinking, planning, etc) I would be happier than if he spent $100 on something that he put no thought into.
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leckey wrote:
Harsh? He's on here every day spewing how everyone who differs in opinion from himself must be nothing more that an idiot. What's sad is no matter how anyone tries to get him to even LOOK at another perspective (not persuade, just look) he's like a little kid with his fingers in his ears screaming, "NOOOOOOOOOO!"
Well, harsh in that I was trying to keep this thread flame-free ;P Only had limited success with that, but I guess I can't expect too much in that regard.
leckey wrote:
My female opinion on holiday gifts? Give something that means something. Take a scrapbooking course and do a nice photo of you and your honey and do a scrapbooking page and put it in a frame/shadowbox. Clean her entire house/apartment. Or hire someone to do it. (Even I hate scrubbing the bathtub.) Give her a 'coupon' that she can redeem for a day of nothing but what she wants to do and you can't complain. Even if she shops for five hours and then goes to the zoo. Write down how you felt the first time you met, or kissed.
See, my problem isn't so much that I don't know what to get her, its that we haven't been seeing each other long enough to do the types of things you mention. Even if we had started seeing each other before my birthday, it would be easier. Since we have only been seeing each other for a few weeks ... hence the problem.
leckey wrote:
The amount of money spent does not equate with your amount of love. Gifts are nice but at the end of the day they don't love you back.
While I completely agree with this, and I'm generally pretty good with gift giving, but this situation is a little different. It is MUCH too soon to say "love" ... we are still in the "get to know you ... really like you" phase.
If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac
If I were in your situation I would try to make a food item that you know she loves, that you have never cooked before. (Like cheesecake maybe?) It's one of those things, that if you try and fail, it will be 'cute' and endearing to her. If you succeed on your first try then you look like the hero. Or is there a play/band in the area soon that you can buy tickets for? That might be a nice surprise.
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That would actually be kind of pointless right now ... she just cleaned her house the other day ;P
If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac
By the way, what's your Christmas dinner menu? I just found out that I'm in charge again this year because the in-laws liked my kalamata-encrusted rack of lamb so much last year. So far I'm thinking... 1) Arugula salad with walnuts/gorgonzola/vinagrette 2) Gougeres (either blue or goat cheese) 3) Horseradish encrusted Prime Rib Roast (maybe with au jus) 4) A chocolate-covered-strawberry Christmas tree and/or cake of some sort. Plus the before and after dinner treats and drinks.
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Normally I would chastise you for randomly entering into criticisms of people you've never met for buying their wives expensive presents while praising your supposed vast charitable contributions that you make to make yourself feel more important. But being the Christmas season, I'll refrain. After all, this is the season to respect and uplift your fellow man...Not bring him down in order to make you feel better about yourself.
Red Stateler wrote:
Not bring him down in order to make you feel better about yourself
Trying to knock some sense into anyone does not give me feel better about myself.
Red Stateler wrote:
But being the Christmas season
Does this mean you are going to refrain from insulting everyone on the board for the next week? Now THAT is a Christmas miracle. [wipes her hands and walks away]
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Red Stateler wrote:
That leads me to believe that perhaps you believe that the price of a gift is correlated to love
Since you highlighted my statement in your response you would see that I said THE EXACT OPPOSITE. But then again, you were never very good with logic. I don't care what my husband gives me for holidays/birthdays/anniversaries. I just like to be with him. If he spend $20 and it was something he put a lot of effort into (thinking, planning, etc) I would be happier than if he spent $100 on something that he put no thought into.
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leckey wrote:
Since you highlighted my statement in your response you would see that I said THE EXACT OPPOSITE. But then again, you were never very good with logic.
You mean that statement that summarized your whole post? Methinks you doth protest too much...
leckey wrote:
I don't care what my husband gives me for holidays/birthdays/anniversaries. I just like to be with him. If he spend $20 and it was something he put a lot of effort into (thinking, planning, etc) I would be happier than if he spent $100 on something that he put no thought into.
Same goes for my wife. However, being that I love her so much, I do my best to provide her with every comfort I can. I just find it interesting that you so strongly protest to the fact that I got her a Dior handbag. It's pretty irrational and out of left field given the tone of this thread. Also given that you suffer no personal injury from my buying her such a handbag, I find it odd that you take such great offense to it. To me it suggests nothing but jealousy. If you had simply said, "That's a lot of money for a handbag. I'd rather have a coupon book", that's one thing. But you didn't. Your intense focus on the matter indicates much more...
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By the way, what's your Christmas dinner menu? I just found out that I'm in charge again this year because the in-laws liked my kalamata-encrusted rack of lamb so much last year. So far I'm thinking... 1) Arugula salad with walnuts/gorgonzola/vinagrette 2) Gougeres (either blue or goat cheese) 3) Horseradish encrusted Prime Rib Roast (maybe with au jus) 4) A chocolate-covered-strawberry Christmas tree and/or cake of some sort. Plus the before and after dinner treats and drinks.
Red Stateler wrote:
By the way, what's your Christmas dinner menu? I just found out that I'm in charge again this year because the in-laws liked my kalamata-encrusted rack of lamb so much last year. So far I'm thinking... 1) Arugula salad with walnuts/gorgonzola/vinagrette 2) Gougeres (either blue or goat cheese) 3) Horseradish encrusted Prime Rib Roast (maybe with au jus) 4) A chocolate-covered-strawberry Christmas tree and/or cake of some sort. Plus the before and after dinner treats and drinks.
Well, seeing as I'm technically single this year (as this girl and I are "exclusively casually dating"), I'll be eating at my parents' house. The menu is a traditional southern thanksgiving/christmas dinner (turkey, dressing, gravy, mashed potatos, apple sauce, cranberry sauce, Virginia ham, sweet potato casserole, etc). That chocolate-covered-strawberry chrismat tree sounds good though :)
If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac
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Red Stateler wrote:
Not bring him down in order to make you feel better about yourself
Trying to knock some sense into anyone does not give me feel better about myself.
Red Stateler wrote:
But being the Christmas season
Does this mean you are going to refrain from insulting everyone on the board for the next week? Now THAT is a Christmas miracle. [wipes her hands and walks away]
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leckey wrote:
Trying to knock some sense into anyone does not give me feel better about myself.
Personal attacks are not attempts to knock sense into somebody. They're designed to make someone else look like less in your eyes in order to feel better about yourself. It's a very common practice and that's exactly what you did.
leckey wrote:
Does this mean you are going to refrain from insulting everyone on the board for the next week? Now THAT is a Christmas miracle.
I'm never apt to personal attacks (except those I reserve for oilfactotum). However, I notice that you frequently resort to them as an excuse for my refusal to accept various loose and ludicrous arguments you make. Because apparently when someone disagrees with you (and points out the clear reasons why), they deserve your wrath.
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If I were in your situation I would try to make a food item that you know she loves, that you have never cooked before. (Like cheesecake maybe?) It's one of those things, that if you try and fail, it will be 'cute' and endearing to her. If you succeed on your first try then you look like the hero. Or is there a play/band in the area soon that you can buy tickets for? That might be a nice surprise.
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leckey wrote:
If I were in your situation I would try to make a food item that you know she loves, that you have never cooked before. (Like cheesecake maybe?) It's one of those things, that if you try and fail, it will be 'cute' and endearing to her.
We already have plans for me to cook her dinner (it was going to be tonight, but that had to get moved due to family plans). I was planning on cooking a nice filet mignon with asparagus and mashed potatos and then try something new for desert. Since she already knew we were doing that, I was kind of looking at possibly having flowers sent to her house on Sunday and getting her something small (e.g. the bath gift set ... or a perfume if I can figure out which ones she likes before I go shopping). I do know she enjoys scrapbooking, but since we haven't had a whole lot of time to create memories together, it would seem like a fairly empty gift.
If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac
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leckey wrote:
If I were in your situation I would try to make a food item that you know she loves, that you have never cooked before. (Like cheesecake maybe?) It's one of those things, that if you try and fail, it will be 'cute' and endearing to her.
We already have plans for me to cook her dinner (it was going to be tonight, but that had to get moved due to family plans). I was planning on cooking a nice filet mignon with asparagus and mashed potatos and then try something new for desert. Since she already knew we were doing that, I was kind of looking at possibly having flowers sent to her house on Sunday and getting her something small (e.g. the bath gift set ... or a perfume if I can figure out which ones she likes before I go shopping). I do know she enjoys scrapbooking, but since we haven't had a whole lot of time to create memories together, it would seem like a fairly empty gift.
If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac
Filet Mignon??? Are you kidding me? I find it so odd that you would spend so much money on a cut of meat that isn't any better than New York Strip. Puh-lease! You are SO materialistic!
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leckey wrote:
Since you highlighted my statement in your response you would see that I said THE EXACT OPPOSITE. But then again, you were never very good with logic.
You mean that statement that summarized your whole post? Methinks you doth protest too much...
leckey wrote:
I don't care what my husband gives me for holidays/birthdays/anniversaries. I just like to be with him. If he spend $20 and it was something he put a lot of effort into (thinking, planning, etc) I would be happier than if he spent $100 on something that he put no thought into.
Same goes for my wife. However, being that I love her so much, I do my best to provide her with every comfort I can. I just find it interesting that you so strongly protest to the fact that I got her a Dior handbag. It's pretty irrational and out of left field given the tone of this thread. Also given that you suffer no personal injury from my buying her such a handbag, I find it odd that you take such great offense to it. To me it suggests nothing but jealousy. If you had simply said, "That's a lot of money for a handbag. I'd rather have a coupon book", that's one thing. But you didn't. Your intense focus on the matter indicates much more...
Red Stateler wrote:
Your intense focus on the matter indicates much more...
The only thing is I get angry at people who waste their money in such ways. That money could go to Katrina victims, Darfur victims, cancer research...but no. You think buying a piece of leather that cost no more than $20 to make is what will make her happy.
Red Stateler wrote:
If you had simply said, "That's a lot of money for a handbag. I'd rather have a coupon book
It's more than a lot. It's ridiculous. It's a month's mortgage. It's 3 of my car payments. It's the amount that could help Darfur refugees. It could buy supplies for katrina victims. So next time you watch the news and see others who have less than you (and a lot less than you...like a home) you can look to your wife and say, "Well, at least you have a Dior handbag."
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leckey wrote:
Trying to knock some sense into anyone does not give me feel better about myself.
Personal attacks are not attempts to knock sense into somebody. They're designed to make someone else look like less in your eyes in order to feel better about yourself. It's a very common practice and that's exactly what you did.
leckey wrote:
Does this mean you are going to refrain from insulting everyone on the board for the next week? Now THAT is a Christmas miracle.
I'm never apt to personal attacks (except those I reserve for oilfactotum). However, I notice that you frequently resort to them as an excuse for my refusal to accept various loose and ludicrous arguments you make. Because apparently when someone disagrees with you (and points out the clear reasons why), they deserve your wrath.
Red Stateler wrote:
It's a very common practice and that's exactly what you did
Then why don't I feel better about myself?
Red Stateler wrote:
my refusal to accept various loose and ludicrous arguments you make
First, what 'ludicrous arguments?' Second, you don't accept anyone's arguments if they are not in line with yours. You don't even want to listen. I can't think of a time you said, "Yes, that's a good point..." You once told me you are an absolutist (and since history pages only go back 4 pages I can't get it so don't ask for it but you said it). You've even said you're always right.
Red Stateler wrote:
your wrath
Sweetie, I'm a girl. You haven't even seen My Wrath.
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Filet Mignon??? Are you kidding me? I find it so odd that you would spend so much money on a cut of meat that isn't any better than New York Strip. Puh-lease! You are SO materialistic!
Red Stateler wrote:
Filet Mignon??? Are you kidding me? I find it so odd that you would spend so much money on a cut of meat that isn't any better than New York Strip. Puh-lease! You are SO materialistic!
I don't spend that much on it. I know a good butcher who gets me great deals on terrific cuts of meat. 2 filets will run me about $14, asparagus, butter, and garlic bring the total to around $18, throw in a couple potatos and even a bottle of wine and I'm still making dinner for under $50 (and that is with a fairly expensive bottle of wine).
If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac