Jesus'[AS] Birth on 25th of December,Myth or fact?
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Hey man, that's been over 2000 years ago. They didn't have birth certificates with the exact date written on them then... So, it's not a (hard) fact. Marius
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marius_romanus wrote:
So, it's not a (hard) fact.
Interesting choice of words. Has the word "fact" lost its meaning these days? :~
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marius_romanus wrote:
So, it's not a (hard) fact.
Interesting choice of words. Has the word "fact" lost its meaning these days? :~
-- In Hypno-Vision
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Interesting choice of words. Has the word "fact" lost its meaning these days?
You can slightly alter the meaning of a word with an adjective. He was implying that Jesus was born sometime around the 25th of December if not the 25th.
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Interesting choice of words. Has the word "fact" lost its meaning these days?
You can slightly alter the meaning of a word with an adjective. He was implying that Jesus was born sometime around the 25th of December if not the 25th.
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I took it to mean that it wasn't something that could be proven. It's easy to disprove, tho, because the details of everyday life recorded in the Bible for the time Jesus was born do not mesh with it being this time of year.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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I took it to mean that it wasn't something that could be proven. It's easy to disprove, tho, because the details of everyday life recorded in the Bible for the time Jesus was born do not mesh with it being this time of year.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
It does not matter when he was born. Christmas is about celebrating his birthday and giving and sharing and doing nice things. A lot people don't have there birthday parties on there birthday, but they still celebrate it.
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It does not matter when he was born. Christmas is about celebrating his birthday and giving and sharing and doing nice things. A lot people don't have there birthday parties on there birthday, but they still celebrate it.
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Captain See SharpA lot people don't have there birthday parties on there birthday, but they still celebrate it.
Do they really ? How odd...
Captain See SharpChristmas is about celebrating his birthday and giving and sharing and doing nice things.
Like I said, Christmas has nothing to do with Christ, but there's nothing wrong with having a day with family and buying the kids some presents. Not a big deal.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Captain See SharpA lot people don't have there birthday parties on there birthday, but they still celebrate it.
Do they really ? How odd...
Captain See SharpChristmas is about celebrating his birthday and giving and sharing and doing nice things.
Like I said, Christmas has nothing to do with Christ, but there's nothing wrong with having a day with family and buying the kids some presents. Not a big deal.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
Like I said, Christmas has nothing to do with Christ
Oh? :laugh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas[^] ........... Is your atheism conflicting with logical thought? Christmas having nothing to do with the birth of Jesus? :omg: You must have had too much eggnog or wine.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Like I said, Christmas has nothing to do with Christ
Oh? :laugh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas[^] ........... Is your atheism conflicting with logical thought? Christmas having nothing to do with the birth of Jesus? :omg: You must have had too much eggnog or wine.
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Captain See Sharphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas[^]
Actually, that's an interesting article. It makes clear that the early Christians did not celebrate Xmas, nor did Jesus want them to. It also makes clear the pagan festivals from which Xmas is derived.
Captain See SharpIs your atheism conflicting with logical thought?
Are you serious ? Have you not read my other posts in this thread ? I am a Christian, I am just not ignorant of the origins of Christmas, or the fact that they have nothing do with Jesus or the Bible.
Captain See SharpYou must have had too much eggnog or wine.
I regard my Christianity to be the reason I don't consume any alcohol.
Captain See SharpChristmas having nothing to do with the birth of Jesus?
I know that He's been shoehorned in there by people, but His intention was not for us to turn a pagan festival into a celebration of His birth. That is my point. Seeing as you missed it - Christmas is a sham, it has nothing to do with Christ. However, my household certainly exchanges gifts, and cards, and has a family dinner on Dec 25. None of this is a sin, it just has nothing to do with Christ.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Captain See Sharphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas[^]
Actually, that's an interesting article. It makes clear that the early Christians did not celebrate Xmas, nor did Jesus want them to. It also makes clear the pagan festivals from which Xmas is derived.
Captain See SharpIs your atheism conflicting with logical thought?
Are you serious ? Have you not read my other posts in this thread ? I am a Christian, I am just not ignorant of the origins of Christmas, or the fact that they have nothing do with Jesus or the Bible.
Captain See SharpYou must have had too much eggnog or wine.
I regard my Christianity to be the reason I don't consume any alcohol.
Captain See SharpChristmas having nothing to do with the birth of Jesus?
I know that He's been shoehorned in there by people, but His intention was not for us to turn a pagan festival into a celebration of His birth. That is my point. Seeing as you missed it - Christmas is a sham, it has nothing to do with Christ. However, my household certainly exchanges gifts, and cards, and has a family dinner on Dec 25. None of this is a sin, it just has nothing to do with Christ.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
"Christmas or Christmas Day is an annual holiday that marks the traditional birthdate of Jesus of Nazareth. Christmas combines the celebration of Jesus' birth with various other traditions and customs..." Why do you argue with this? Why do you even go to church? I doubt you truly believe in God.
Christian Graus wrote:
Christmas is a sham
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: GO TO HELL!!
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Captain See Sharphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas[^]
Actually, that's an interesting article. It makes clear that the early Christians did not celebrate Xmas, nor did Jesus want them to. It also makes clear the pagan festivals from which Xmas is derived.
Captain See SharpIs your atheism conflicting with logical thought?
Are you serious ? Have you not read my other posts in this thread ? I am a Christian, I am just not ignorant of the origins of Christmas, or the fact that they have nothing do with Jesus or the Bible.
Captain See SharpYou must have had too much eggnog or wine.
I regard my Christianity to be the reason I don't consume any alcohol.
Captain See SharpChristmas having nothing to do with the birth of Jesus?
I know that He's been shoehorned in there by people, but His intention was not for us to turn a pagan festival into a celebration of His birth. That is my point. Seeing as you missed it - Christmas is a sham, it has nothing to do with Christ. However, my household certainly exchanges gifts, and cards, and has a family dinner on Dec 25. None of this is a sin, it just has nothing to do with Christ.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
My sympathies Christian. You represent the better side of Christianity and Captain See Sharp the opposite.
John Carson
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My sympathies Christian. You represent the better side of Christianity and Captain See Sharp the opposite.
John Carson
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Captain See SharpA lot people don't have there birthday parties on there birthday, but they still celebrate it.
Do they really ? How odd...
Captain See SharpChristmas is about celebrating his birthday and giving and sharing and doing nice things.
Like I said, Christmas has nothing to do with Christ, but there's nothing wrong with having a day with family and buying the kids some presents. Not a big deal.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
Captain See Sharp A lot people don't have there birthday parties on there birthday, but they still celebrate it. Do they really ? How odd...
In my family, we celebrate birthdays on actual birthdays. We may celebrate more than once in the case that birthdays land in the middle of the week.
Some people have a memory and an attention span, you should try them out one day. - Jeremy Falcon
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"Christmas or Christmas Day is an annual holiday that marks the traditional birthdate of Jesus of Nazareth. Christmas combines the celebration of Jesus' birth with various other traditions and customs..." Why do you argue with this? Why do you even go to church? I doubt you truly believe in God.
Christian Graus wrote:
Christmas is a sham
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: GO TO HELL!!
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OK, I can only assume that you're trolling now.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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My sympathies Christian. You represent the better side of Christianity and Captain See Sharp the opposite.
John Carson
I presume he's just trying to get a rise. I've gone as far as I can responding reasonably, he's either trolling, or he just plain isn't reading my replies. Either way, I've said my piece, he'll have to find someone else to play with, now.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Christian Graus wrote:
Captain See Sharp A lot people don't have there birthday parties on there birthday, but they still celebrate it. Do they really ? How odd...
In my family, we celebrate birthdays on actual birthdays. We may celebrate more than once in the case that birthdays land in the middle of the week.
Some people have a memory and an attention span, you should try them out one day. - Jeremy Falcon
Sure - we may have a weekend celebration for a weekday birthday, but it's clear the day that we're celebrating, and the celebration is as close to the actual day as physically possible. That's obviously different to saying 'we don't know when he was born, but we'll pick a day and celebrate it then'. If I don't know someone well enough to know their birthday, or ( as in this case ), they choose not to let me know when it was, why would I celebrate it at all ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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OK, I can only assume that you're trolling now.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Sure - we may have a weekend celebration for a weekday birthday, but it's clear the day that we're celebrating, and the celebration is as close to the actual day as physically possible. That's obviously different to saying 'we don't know when he was born, but we'll pick a day and celebrate it then'. If I don't know someone well enough to know their birthday, or ( as in this case ), they choose not to let me know when it was, why would I celebrate it at all ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Agreed :)
Some people have a memory and an attention span, you should try them out one day. - Jeremy Falcon
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OK, I can only assume that you're trolling now.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
I can only assume that you're trolling now
Yep, and he's voted you, John and I 1's...
Some people have a memory and an attention span, you should try them out one day. - Jeremy Falcon
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Christian Graus wrote:
I can only assume that you're trolling now
Yep, and he's voted you, John and I 1's...
Some people have a memory and an attention span, you should try them out one day. - Jeremy Falcon
So it would seem. My Christmas would be ruined, but it doesn't mean anything to me to start with.... :P
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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So it would seem. My Christmas would be ruined, but it doesn't mean anything to me to start with.... :P
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
it doesn't mean anything to me to start with....
Yep, I usually see one votes as a sign of immaturity.
Christian Graus wrote:
My Christmas would be ruined
Dude, Merry Christmas to you and your family :-D
Some people have a memory and an attention span, you should try them out one day. - Jeremy Falcon
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"Christmas or Christmas Day is an annual holiday that marks the traditional birthdate of Jesus of Nazareth. Christmas combines the celebration of Jesus' birth with various other traditions and customs..." Why do you argue with this? Why do you even go to church? I doubt you truly believe in God.
Christian Graus wrote:
Christmas is a sham
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: GO TO HELL!!
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Some Christian attitude there. You give a display like that and then you wonder why so many people thinks Christians are a bunch of fools. You are fine example of a foolish Christian. In my church we celebrate Christ's birth on Christmas day, even though the evidence points to his actual birth being in the summer. I always thought it was in June or July, but it could have been September as CG says. It really does not matter either way. I do not agree with CG saying it is a sham, as Christmas is very important to many Christians, but I also will not question someone else's faith because he or she has a different opinion on the subject.
You may be right
I may be crazy
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