Jesus'[AS] Birth on 25th of December,Myth or fact?
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Christian Graus wrote:
Like I said, Christmas has nothing to do with Christ
Oh? :laugh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas[^] ........... Is your atheism conflicting with logical thought? Christmas having nothing to do with the birth of Jesus? :omg: You must have had too much eggnog or wine.
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Captain See Sharphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas[^]
Actually, that's an interesting article. It makes clear that the early Christians did not celebrate Xmas, nor did Jesus want them to. It also makes clear the pagan festivals from which Xmas is derived.
Captain See SharpIs your atheism conflicting with logical thought?
Are you serious ? Have you not read my other posts in this thread ? I am a Christian, I am just not ignorant of the origins of Christmas, or the fact that they have nothing do with Jesus or the Bible.
Captain See SharpYou must have had too much eggnog or wine.
I regard my Christianity to be the reason I don't consume any alcohol.
Captain See SharpChristmas having nothing to do with the birth of Jesus?
I know that He's been shoehorned in there by people, but His intention was not for us to turn a pagan festival into a celebration of His birth. That is my point. Seeing as you missed it - Christmas is a sham, it has nothing to do with Christ. However, my household certainly exchanges gifts, and cards, and has a family dinner on Dec 25. None of this is a sin, it just has nothing to do with Christ.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Captain See Sharphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas[^]
Actually, that's an interesting article. It makes clear that the early Christians did not celebrate Xmas, nor did Jesus want them to. It also makes clear the pagan festivals from which Xmas is derived.
Captain See SharpIs your atheism conflicting with logical thought?
Are you serious ? Have you not read my other posts in this thread ? I am a Christian, I am just not ignorant of the origins of Christmas, or the fact that they have nothing do with Jesus or the Bible.
Captain See SharpYou must have had too much eggnog or wine.
I regard my Christianity to be the reason I don't consume any alcohol.
Captain See SharpChristmas having nothing to do with the birth of Jesus?
I know that He's been shoehorned in there by people, but His intention was not for us to turn a pagan festival into a celebration of His birth. That is my point. Seeing as you missed it - Christmas is a sham, it has nothing to do with Christ. However, my household certainly exchanges gifts, and cards, and has a family dinner on Dec 25. None of this is a sin, it just has nothing to do with Christ.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
"Christmas or Christmas Day is an annual holiday that marks the traditional birthdate of Jesus of Nazareth. Christmas combines the celebration of Jesus' birth with various other traditions and customs..." Why do you argue with this? Why do you even go to church? I doubt you truly believe in God.
Christian Graus wrote:
Christmas is a sham
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: GO TO HELL!!
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Captain See Sharphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas[^]
Actually, that's an interesting article. It makes clear that the early Christians did not celebrate Xmas, nor did Jesus want them to. It also makes clear the pagan festivals from which Xmas is derived.
Captain See SharpIs your atheism conflicting with logical thought?
Are you serious ? Have you not read my other posts in this thread ? I am a Christian, I am just not ignorant of the origins of Christmas, or the fact that they have nothing do with Jesus or the Bible.
Captain See SharpYou must have had too much eggnog or wine.
I regard my Christianity to be the reason I don't consume any alcohol.
Captain See SharpChristmas having nothing to do with the birth of Jesus?
I know that He's been shoehorned in there by people, but His intention was not for us to turn a pagan festival into a celebration of His birth. That is my point. Seeing as you missed it - Christmas is a sham, it has nothing to do with Christ. However, my household certainly exchanges gifts, and cards, and has a family dinner on Dec 25. None of this is a sin, it just has nothing to do with Christ.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
My sympathies Christian. You represent the better side of Christianity and Captain See Sharp the opposite.
John Carson
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My sympathies Christian. You represent the better side of Christianity and Captain See Sharp the opposite.
John Carson
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Captain See SharpA lot people don't have there birthday parties on there birthday, but they still celebrate it.
Do they really ? How odd...
Captain See SharpChristmas is about celebrating his birthday and giving and sharing and doing nice things.
Like I said, Christmas has nothing to do with Christ, but there's nothing wrong with having a day with family and buying the kids some presents. Not a big deal.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
Captain See Sharp A lot people don't have there birthday parties on there birthday, but they still celebrate it. Do they really ? How odd...
In my family, we celebrate birthdays on actual birthdays. We may celebrate more than once in the case that birthdays land in the middle of the week.
Some people have a memory and an attention span, you should try them out one day. - Jeremy Falcon
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"Christmas or Christmas Day is an annual holiday that marks the traditional birthdate of Jesus of Nazareth. Christmas combines the celebration of Jesus' birth with various other traditions and customs..." Why do you argue with this? Why do you even go to church? I doubt you truly believe in God.
Christian Graus wrote:
Christmas is a sham
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: GO TO HELL!!
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OK, I can only assume that you're trolling now.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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My sympathies Christian. You represent the better side of Christianity and Captain See Sharp the opposite.
John Carson
I presume he's just trying to get a rise. I've gone as far as I can responding reasonably, he's either trolling, or he just plain isn't reading my replies. Either way, I've said my piece, he'll have to find someone else to play with, now.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Christian Graus wrote:
Captain See Sharp A lot people don't have there birthday parties on there birthday, but they still celebrate it. Do they really ? How odd...
In my family, we celebrate birthdays on actual birthdays. We may celebrate more than once in the case that birthdays land in the middle of the week.
Some people have a memory and an attention span, you should try them out one day. - Jeremy Falcon
Sure - we may have a weekend celebration for a weekday birthday, but it's clear the day that we're celebrating, and the celebration is as close to the actual day as physically possible. That's obviously different to saying 'we don't know when he was born, but we'll pick a day and celebrate it then'. If I don't know someone well enough to know their birthday, or ( as in this case ), they choose not to let me know when it was, why would I celebrate it at all ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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OK, I can only assume that you're trolling now.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Sure - we may have a weekend celebration for a weekday birthday, but it's clear the day that we're celebrating, and the celebration is as close to the actual day as physically possible. That's obviously different to saying 'we don't know when he was born, but we'll pick a day and celebrate it then'. If I don't know someone well enough to know their birthday, or ( as in this case ), they choose not to let me know when it was, why would I celebrate it at all ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Agreed :)
Some people have a memory and an attention span, you should try them out one day. - Jeremy Falcon
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OK, I can only assume that you're trolling now.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
I can only assume that you're trolling now
Yep, and he's voted you, John and I 1's...
Some people have a memory and an attention span, you should try them out one day. - Jeremy Falcon
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Christian Graus wrote:
I can only assume that you're trolling now
Yep, and he's voted you, John and I 1's...
Some people have a memory and an attention span, you should try them out one day. - Jeremy Falcon
So it would seem. My Christmas would be ruined, but it doesn't mean anything to me to start with.... :P
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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So it would seem. My Christmas would be ruined, but it doesn't mean anything to me to start with.... :P
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
it doesn't mean anything to me to start with....
Yep, I usually see one votes as a sign of immaturity.
Christian Graus wrote:
My Christmas would be ruined
Dude, Merry Christmas to you and your family :-D
Some people have a memory and an attention span, you should try them out one day. - Jeremy Falcon
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"Christmas or Christmas Day is an annual holiday that marks the traditional birthdate of Jesus of Nazareth. Christmas combines the celebration of Jesus' birth with various other traditions and customs..." Why do you argue with this? Why do you even go to church? I doubt you truly believe in God.
Christian Graus wrote:
Christmas is a sham
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: GO TO HELL!!
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Some Christian attitude there. You give a display like that and then you wonder why so many people thinks Christians are a bunch of fools. You are fine example of a foolish Christian. In my church we celebrate Christ's birth on Christmas day, even though the evidence points to his actual birth being in the summer. I always thought it was in June or July, but it could have been September as CG says. It really does not matter either way. I do not agree with CG saying it is a sham, as Christmas is very important to many Christians, but I also will not question someone else's faith because he or she has a different opinion on the subject.
You may be right
I may be crazy
-- Billy Joel --Within you lies the power for good, use it!!!
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Christian Graus wrote:
it doesn't mean anything to me to start with....
Yep, I usually see one votes as a sign of immaturity.
Christian Graus wrote:
My Christmas would be ruined
Dude, Merry Christmas to you and your family :-D
Some people have a memory and an attention span, you should try them out one day. - Jeremy Falcon
PaulC1972 wrote:
Yep, I usually see one votes as a sign of immaturity.
Often, that's the case. They can be a good way for CPians to provide peer pressure, but more often than not, that's not how it works.
PaulC1972 wrote:
Dude, Merry Christmas to you and your family
And to you :-) I'll be working pretty much every day except Xmas itself, but I'm still looking forward to some time with the wife and kids.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Christmas is about the birth of Jesus and I WILL NOT budge. Its even in the first paragraph in the Wiki article.
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Captain See SharpChristmas is about the birth of Jesus
Bible doesn't agree with you. What's more important for a christian, a Bible or Wikipedia?
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Captain See SharpChristmas is about the birth of Jesus
Bible doesn't agree with you. What's more important for a christian, a Bible or Wikipedia?
*grin* Now THAT is funny.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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is it true or its just christians celebrate it because their forfathers have been celebrating since ages?
To be honest, we Charistains celebrate 'the birth' on the 25th of December or 5th of January for the same reason radical Muslims celebrate their religion of Peace while bombing school busses... Notice how both are a myth based celebration but still have an impact?
Epitaph: Foolish humans, never escaped Earth.- Vernor Vinge
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is it true or its just christians celebrate it because their forfathers have been celebrating since ages?
Yes Adnan, see the link below on my blog that talks about this. In short, it is a myth that Jesus was born on Dec 25.
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Captain See SharpChristmas is about the birth of Jesus
Bible doesn't agree with you. What's more important for a christian, a Bible or Wikipedia?
For once you make sense. Seriously, man, that was good. :laugh:
Cheers, Vikram.
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