Vista premium content protection - yikes!
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This is a long but good read on the implications: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt[^] No I don't have a beef against Vista, as I said before I write software for whatever my users are using it's all the same to me, however I keep running across so many negative items about Vista every day on the net, items that are definitely more than FUD.
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This is a long but good read on the implications: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt[^] No I don't have a beef against Vista, as I said before I write software for whatever my users are using it's all the same to me, however I keep running across so many negative items about Vista every day on the net, items that are definitely more than FUD.
Wow. Marc
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This is a long but good read on the implications: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt[^] No I don't have a beef against Vista, as I said before I write software for whatever my users are using it's all the same to me, however I keep running across so many negative items about Vista every day on the net, items that are definitely more than FUD.
Some of the issues mentioned are significant for us. We have high-end multimedia labs that are phasing out Windows for this reason. Those labs will soon be Solaris and OSX-based.
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This is a long but good read on the implications: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt[^] No I don't have a beef against Vista, as I said before I write software for whatever my users are using it's all the same to me, however I keep running across so many negative items about Vista every day on the net, items that are definitely more than FUD.
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This seems to be more of a mandate by the RIAA / MPAA than by Microsoft, unfortunately. I fear that what's mentioned in the article will soon be applied to non-MS operating systems in the near future. :(
I'm all for copyright holders getting their fair share. It's one of my pet peeve's that many people today think that stealing is 'ok' and that they shouldn't have to pay for the product. However, when every blank DVD, CD, video cassette and audio cassette sold in the US has an entertainment industry "kickback" tax (because I might use it to copy protected content), and the hardware and software sold abrogates and/or prevents fair-use under the copyright act; and, the entertainment industry hassles Apple to raise the price of items purchased on iTunes after they're already making money hand over fist (no per item manufacturing/distribution costs with electronic purchases, yet they're basically charging the same price as a 'real' CD); -- then I start to not really care about their perceived problems. //Yeah, I'm on a rant today. Don't worry, tomorrow I'll be back to normal.
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This is a long but good read on the implications: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt[^] No I don't have a beef against Vista, as I said before I write software for whatever my users are using it's all the same to me, however I keep running across so many negative items about Vista every day on the net, items that are definitely more than FUD.
That sounds like some serious issues. If this really is true I would think many high-end sound and video labs and probably all medical imaging labs (especially the latter) will need to change to a *nix or OS X setup.
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This is a long but good read on the implications: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt[^] No I don't have a beef against Vista, as I said before I write software for whatever my users are using it's all the same to me, however I keep running across so many negative items about Vista every day on the net, items that are definitely more than FUD.
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This is a long but good read on the implications: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt[^] No I don't have a beef against Vista, as I said before I write software for whatever my users are using it's all the same to me, however I keep running across so many negative items about Vista every day on the net, items that are definitely more than FUD.
Sheesh, are we still in the 80's? What's with the ASCII-formatted plain text document? :rolleyes: I gave the article a cursory read through as best as I could (plaintext hurts my eyes, and content protection is not my speciality), but couldn't see what was so unique to Vista about it? Surely the same pros and cons exist with the newer DVD players and TVs with the content protection built in? They won't let you play protected content over an unsecure connection either -- effectively disabling those outputs automatically when protected content is played and reducing quality when targeting a non-compliant device. Ultimately the market will decide whether it takes off or is destined to die as another failed attempt at content protection (like every other attempt). I expect any unintentional problems will be resolved - we have had this level of fearmongering in the past and it proved anything but significant with hindsight. I for one will not be purchasing any protected content, and by law publishers will be required to label content as protected in the UK, and probably Europe. I am not convinced it will be entirely legal, especially if there turn out to be side-effects. Who knows, give it a few years and some big class action suits and the media giants might get the message. I wouldn't hold your breath though. :(
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This is a long but good read on the implications: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt[^] No I don't have a beef against Vista, as I said before I write software for whatever my users are using it's all the same to me, however I keep running across so many negative items about Vista every day on the net, items that are definitely more than FUD.
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Igor Vigdorchik wrote:
much shorter
Hmm... also much more shallow :) What the article from the original post excels at: detail how far reaching the content protection scheme reaches, how many components, industries etc. will be affected.
Igor Vigdorchik wrote:
and clearer
has created an umbrella content protection scheme known as AACS. If Windows is to play the new discs, Microsoft has little choice but to support AACS, which is where PVP-OPM comes in. According to Microsoft, PVP-OPM will prevent pirates from attaching recording devices directly to the PC graphics card's DVI or HDMI video outputs in order to capture a pristine digital copy of the disc's otherwise encrypted content. A related component, PVP-UAB, will prevent savvy computer owners from installing data capture cards... errr... eh...
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Igor Vigdorchik wrote:
much shorter
Hmm... also much more shallow :) What the article from the original post excels at: detail how far reaching the content protection scheme reaches, how many components, industries etc. will be affected.
Igor Vigdorchik wrote:
and clearer
has created an umbrella content protection scheme known as AACS. If Windows is to play the new discs, Microsoft has little choice but to support AACS, which is where PVP-OPM comes in. According to Microsoft, PVP-OPM will prevent pirates from attaching recording devices directly to the PC graphics card's DVI or HDMI video outputs in order to capture a pristine digital copy of the disc's otherwise encrypted content. A related component, PVP-UAB, will prevent savvy computer owners from installing data capture cards... errr... eh...
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Linkify!|Fold With Us!peterchen wrote:
errr... eh...
It does give a glossary. :)
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THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS!!! They better not force it on us by law or there will be hell to pay. I will delay my upgrade to Vista for quite some time.
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As mentioned, it's not just Vista but TVs and Home Cinema components as well. Vista should be the least of your worries - the upgrade costs for Windows don't start at $5,000 after rebates... You'd be far better off simply not buying any protected content.
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As mentioned, it's not just Vista but TVs and Home Cinema components as well. Vista should be the least of your worries - the upgrade costs for Windows don't start at $5,000 after rebates... You'd be far better off simply not buying any protected content.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
You'd be far better off simply not buying any protected content.
Indeed.
David Wulff wrote:
As mentioned, it's not just Vista but TVs and Home Cinema components as well. Vista should be the least of your worries - the upgrade costs for Windows don't start at $5,000 after rebates...
Computers are far more important to me than an silly TV.
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David Wulff wrote:
You'd be far better off simply not buying any protected content.
Indeed.
David Wulff wrote:
As mentioned, it's not just Vista but TVs and Home Cinema components as well. Vista should be the least of your worries - the upgrade costs for Windows don't start at $5,000 after rebates...
Computers are far more important to me than an silly TV.
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A silly TV wouldn't be able to view high definition content anyway, so you wouldn't have any issue in the first place. :rolleyes: To many people however that is going to be a lot more important than a silly operating system or media centre PC because they invest a lot of money into home cinema equipment. Personally I'd rather have my friends round for an evening and watch a good DVD than use a computer, but that's me. YMV and that's fine.
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Igor Vigdorchik wrote:
This issue has nothing to do with Vista
The genesis of the issue perhaps, but Vista is going to put it squarely in the public eye.
Microsoft has no choice in this matter. If Microsoft wouldn't support HDCP, high-definition optical discs would be entirely off-limits on Windows computers. On January 19, 2005, the European Industry Association for Information Systems (EICTA) announced that HDCP is a required component of the European "HD ready" label.[^] If you think Apple is going to turn down HDCP despite being DRM advocates themselves, with the result being that it will be impossible to view new content in full HD on Apple hardware, then you're kidding yourself.[^] A RealNetworks executive has claimed that Linux risks being excluded from the consumer market if it does not add support for copyright protection technologies.[^]
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Microsoft has no choice in this matter. If Microsoft wouldn't support HDCP, high-definition optical discs would be entirely off-limits on Windows computers. On January 19, 2005, the European Industry Association for Information Systems (EICTA) announced that HDCP is a required component of the European "HD ready" label.[^] If you think Apple is going to turn down HDCP despite being DRM advocates themselves, with the result being that it will be impossible to view new content in full HD on Apple hardware, then you're kidding yourself.[^] A RealNetworks executive has claimed that Linux risks being excluded from the consumer market if it does not add support for copyright protection technologies.[^]
Igor Vigdorchik wrote:
high-definition optical discs would be entirely off-limits on Windows computers
So?
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peterchen wrote:
errr... eh...
It does give a glossary. :)
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glossary schmossary. If it isn't plain english, it doesn't compute.
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If it isn't plain english, it doesn't compute
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Sheesh, are we still in the 80's? What's with the ASCII-formatted plain text document? :rolleyes: I gave the article a cursory read through as best as I could (plaintext hurts my eyes, and content protection is not my speciality), but couldn't see what was so unique to Vista about it? Surely the same pros and cons exist with the newer DVD players and TVs with the content protection built in? They won't let you play protected content over an unsecure connection either -- effectively disabling those outputs automatically when protected content is played and reducing quality when targeting a non-compliant device. Ultimately the market will decide whether it takes off or is destined to die as another failed attempt at content protection (like every other attempt). I expect any unintentional problems will be resolved - we have had this level of fearmongering in the past and it proved anything but significant with hindsight. I for one will not be purchasing any protected content, and by law publishers will be required to label content as protected in the UK, and probably Europe. I am not convinced it will be entirely legal, especially if there turn out to be side-effects. Who knows, give it a few years and some big class action suits and the media giants might get the message. I wouldn't hold your breath though. :(
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkBesides the general implications, it discusses the specifics of the Vista implementation, and assumes - IMO correctly - that Vista will force many consumers and developers (SW/HW) to deal with DRM. It's well worth the read, factual, focuses on technical issues. (this might help with ascii challenged people like you[^]) Gist: DRM affects many areas and people that have absolutely nothing to do with "premium content".
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