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    eagleboy
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    Just wondering what sort of money people charge for web design these days and what method is used to determine it (per page/hour/site?) Aaron.

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      Just wondering what sort of money people charge for web design these days and what method is used to determine it (per page/hour/site?) Aaron.

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      Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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      I don't touch web design with a 10 foot pole but small sites can range from $35 with a template to $650 for a few content pages with no fancy stuff. Complicated flash and interactive sites (that are still small) could go up to a few grand while massive sites like ESPN.com are multi-million dollar affairs. If I were to bill hourly I would say corp to corp is $75 to $120 per hour. (Factor in that paying an artist for works can be several hundred to several thousand per asset, and that the corporation would have to be established with a long list of satisfied clients) Out of college, need work? $25 to $45 and hour on a fixed priced bid. There are really a lot of factors. But, if you have a choice, make sure your XHTML validates: http://validator.w3.org/


      On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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        I don't touch web design with a 10 foot pole but small sites can range from $35 with a template to $650 for a few content pages with no fancy stuff. Complicated flash and interactive sites (that are still small) could go up to a few grand while massive sites like ESPN.com are multi-million dollar affairs. If I were to bill hourly I would say corp to corp is $75 to $120 per hour. (Factor in that paying an artist for works can be several hundred to several thousand per asset, and that the corporation would have to be established with a long list of satisfied clients) Out of college, need work? $25 to $45 and hour on a fixed priced bid. There are really a lot of factors. But, if you have a choice, make sure your XHTML validates: http://validator.w3.org/


        On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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        Christopher Duncan
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        Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

        fixed priced bid.

        Never, ever develop software on a fixed bid unless you like the unique combination of sleep deprivation, a never ending project, and abject poverty.

        Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com

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          Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

          fixed priced bid.

          Never, ever develop software on a fixed bid unless you like the unique combination of sleep deprivation, a never ending project, and abject poverty.

          Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com

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          Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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          99% of the time I agree. There are cases were I will deviate: ie known client, small scale.


          On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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            Just wondering what sort of money people charge for web design these days and what method is used to determine it (per page/hour/site?) Aaron.

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            reshi999
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            I normally quote £1000 for a base business project, for approximately 50 hours work - If The client modifies the spec or extra hours are incurred then they have to pay additional costs. Post release any bug fixes are free, and any modifications are chargable as new projects. I put these normally state these conditions upfront, most businesses I approach accept them.

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              Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

              fixed priced bid.

              Never, ever develop software on a fixed bid unless you like the unique combination of sleep deprivation, a never ending project, and abject poverty.

              Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com

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              WillemM
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              I tend to agree with this statement, had this case once, but was lucky enough to limit the damage by signing a contract with the client telling the client that he was very unlucky after he accepted the first version of the software. (This means I didn't maintain the app afterwards).

              WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "You can always try to smash it with a wrench to fix that. It might actually work" - WillemM

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                Just wondering what sort of money people charge for web design these days and what method is used to determine it (per page/hour/site?) Aaron.

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                Crazy Ace
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                I have found that most clients have no idea of what they want so factor in addtional hours for re-writes when you build the site they ask for-- That's why you don't take fixed bid work:-D Alan

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                  Just wondering what sort of money people charge for web design these days and what method is used to determine it (per page/hour/site?) Aaron.

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                  JamminJimE
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                  Personally, I won't write a single web page (not site, mind you) for less than $150/hr. If you want it to get fancy (ASP.NET, SQL SERVER backend), the cost can skyrocket. A full site can run into the thousands of dollars. Make sure you get a very finite definition of what they want and design to that. Have them sign off on the design as approved before you write any code! ANY changes cost the client extra, regardless of how trivial. If you give them an inch, they will take a mile!

                  JamminJimE Microsoft Certified Application Developer.NET

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                    Just wondering what sort of money people charge for web design these days and what method is used to determine it (per page/hour/site?) Aaron.

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                    Zero K
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                    I know when I used to just do web development for work, average price was about $90/hour for standard html web pages up to about 10 pages, over 10 pages, I would charge $80/hour. If it was dynamic pages, it would be up in the $100-120/hour range depending on how complex the system would be.

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                      Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                      fixed priced bid.

                      Never, ever develop software on a fixed bid unless you like the unique combination of sleep deprivation, a never ending project, and abject poverty.

                      Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com

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                      Dylan Macak
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                      Well, that is true, but in order to get a project, sometimes you have to give them at least a range, that is how I do it: a DETAILED proposal + a cost range seems to work the best. Of course, you need to have some disclaimer telling them that any extra work will be charged $xx per hour. I currently charge $35/hour for simple HTML work and $45 for programming. I am a freelancer.

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                        Just wondering what sort of money people charge for web design these days and what method is used to determine it (per page/hour/site?) Aaron.

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                        Jeremy T Fuller
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                        I typically go with fixed bids for small web sites. I clearly define the number of pages, what database access will be needed, everything. I make the client sign off on each step. A typical site will start between $1,000 and $2,500 depending on complexity. Any extras, like logo design, photography, illustration are charged per item or per hour. My base rate is $75/hour but that can go up for things like on-site server installations, custom database business rules, etc. I then typically charge a monthly rate for web site maintenance based on a set number of hours per month, slightly discounted from my normal $75/hour. Bug fixes are free, but once the project has been billed, everything else is always extra, or rolled up into the maintenance subscription.

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                          Just wondering what sort of money people charge for web design these days and what method is used to determine it (per page/hour/site?) Aaron.

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                          Rocky Moore
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                          It depends on the needs. If a person only wants a simple website with the common "Welcome","products", "Services", "About Us", type system, it is easy to knock that out with DotNetNuke in a matter of minutes if they can use a predefined skin. Generating a custom skin would be more (again, depending on just how fancy and if you had to contract someone for the graphis). Typically a site like this could be under $200. Now, if they need a "web application", where they need custom code written to build out features that someting like DotNetNuke does not icnlude, it is right back to charging programming fees as you would do for any application development. I would say in the USA, it is $45-$150 per hour. The most important factor though is to have a clear written agreement of the exact specs, feature creep can kill your profits!

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