MVP Behavior
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Ed.Poore wrote:
If people here had proof that it actually did something then they might warm up a bit. It needn't be useful either, we're geeks so it could just be something cool, they'd be more likely to take a look then.
I'm a geek and I think a program that is not copy protected, requires no installation program, and that includes a unique interface, a simplified file manager, an elegant text editor, a hexadecimal dumper, a wysiwyg page-layout facility, and a native-code generating compiler, written entirely in Plain English without a single nested if or loop, and with a point-and-click interface that somehow manages to be friendly despite the fact that it has no radio buttons, check boxes, scroll bars, or pictured icons, and that can recreate itself in less than 3 seconds on a bottom-of-the-line Dell resulting in an executable that is less than a megabyte that requires no special runtime libraries is cool. If you think so too, write me (help@osmosian.com) and I'll give you a link to a copy so you can see for yourself. Before you get ten pages into the manual you'll be reading the documentation in the built-in page editor and recompiling the thing in itself.
I would but won't, why don't you create a screencast of this happening to prove to people that it can do it. They simply won't trust the software and I for one don't have time to setup a dedicated machine to try it out.
I have no idea what I just said. But my intentions were sincere.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
I'm no longer going to bother trying defending you or your actions.
I'm surprised, Mark. Are you really saying that things like "FUCK! You forgot me bitch" and "Fuck off and get out" is appropriate language for a gold-status CodeProject MVP? Whatever the supposed provocation? I don't think such an outburst would be tolerated in any decent conference room in any respectable business, and I'm sure it would reflect negatively on that person's evaluation. Why isn't that taken into account here? But perhaps you didn't see original post and read only the edited post that was significantly less spicy...
MVP status is just a thank you. It doesn't come with expectations. Just thanks. People are still free to be themselves. Gold status is a time-volume metric that shows how long you've been here and how much activity you've had. It doesn't come with any expectations on behavior. People are still free to be themselves.
What's in a sig? This statement is false. Build a bridge and get over it. ~ Chris Maunder
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I would but won't, why don't you create a screencast of this happening to prove to people that it can do it. They simply won't trust the software and I for one don't have time to setup a dedicated machine to try it out.
I have no idea what I just said. But my intentions were sincere.
Ed.Poore wrote:
I would but won't, why don't you create a screencast of this happening to prove to people that it can do it. They simply won't trust the software and I for one don't have time to setup a dedicated machine to try it out.
I don't see what a screencast would prove - people could simply say it was a simulation. Besides, you don't need a dedicated machine to try it out; the program is safe. Marc Clifton (a "protector" and MVP here) downloaded and tried the thing out last February - and I think he'll tell you as much even though he's given up "trying to defend us" in other matters. This kind of suffocating paranoia is what so amazes and baffles us! Here's my name, address, and phone number: Gerry Rzeppa 1206 Hatter Rd Franklin, KY 42134 270-586-9864 Here's our website: www.osmosian.com Here's the website of our parent company: www.era-sql.com
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Ed.Poore wrote:
I would but won't, why don't you create a screencast of this happening to prove to people that it can do it. They simply won't trust the software and I for one don't have time to setup a dedicated machine to try it out.
I don't see what a screencast would prove - people could simply say it was a simulation. Besides, you don't need a dedicated machine to try it out; the program is safe. Marc Clifton (a "protector" and MVP here) downloaded and tried the thing out last February - and I think he'll tell you as much even though he's given up "trying to defend us" in other matters. This kind of suffocating paranoia is what so amazes and baffles us! Here's my name, address, and phone number: Gerry Rzeppa 1206 Hatter Rd Franklin, KY 42134 270-586-9864 Here's our website: www.osmosian.com Here's the website of our parent company: www.era-sql.com
The Grand Negus wrote:
This kind of suffocating paranoia is what so amazes and baffles us!
your obsessive compulsion to keep error-prone integer math is my biggest problem. Add floating point to your compiler and actually attempt to match the processing capability of a modern CPU and you would find far less trouble. But I will throw you a bone. If you want to prove yourself, AND get paid for it. http://www.dodsbir.net/sitis/quick_scan.asp[^]
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Ed.Poore wrote:
I would but won't, why don't you create a screencast of this happening to prove to people that it can do it. They simply won't trust the software and I for one don't have time to setup a dedicated machine to try it out.
I don't see what a screencast would prove - people could simply say it was a simulation. Besides, you don't need a dedicated machine to try it out; the program is safe. Marc Clifton (a "protector" and MVP here) downloaded and tried the thing out last February - and I think he'll tell you as much even though he's given up "trying to defend us" in other matters. This kind of suffocating paranoia is what so amazes and baffles us! Here's my name, address, and phone number: Gerry Rzeppa 1206 Hatter Rd Franklin, KY 42134 270-586-9864 Here's our website: www.osmosian.com Here's the website of our parent company: www.era-sql.com
The Grand Negus wrote:
Here's my name, address, and phone number:
and you want me not to insult you ? what the hell is the problem with you, boy ? what do we have to bother with your megalomania ? go spamming your own crap of website instead of wasting everybody's time here. i maintain, you Idiot !! :suss:
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MVP status is just a thank you. It doesn't come with expectations. Just thanks. People are still free to be themselves. Gold status is a time-volume metric that shows how long you've been here and how much activity you've had. It doesn't come with any expectations on behavior. People are still free to be themselves.
What's in a sig? This statement is false. Build a bridge and get over it. ~ Chris Maunder
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Ed.Poore wrote:
I would but won't, why don't you create a screencast of this happening to prove to people that it can do it. They simply won't trust the software and I for one don't have time to setup a dedicated machine to try it out.
I don't see what a screencast would prove - people could simply say it was a simulation. Besides, you don't need a dedicated machine to try it out; the program is safe. Marc Clifton (a "protector" and MVP here) downloaded and tried the thing out last February - and I think he'll tell you as much even though he's given up "trying to defend us" in other matters. This kind of suffocating paranoia is what so amazes and baffles us! Here's my name, address, and phone number: Gerry Rzeppa 1206 Hatter Rd Franklin, KY 42134 270-586-9864 Here's our website: www.osmosian.com Here's the website of our parent company: www.era-sql.com
I'm simply not going to risk installing it, it's my policy, if someone vouched for it then perhaps but at the moment I have not the time to try out something that has been spammed so much. I might as well try out some of the viagra that arrives in my spam box so frequently.
I have no idea what I just said. But my intentions were sincere.
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The Grand Negus wrote:
This kind of suffocating paranoia is what so amazes and baffles us!
your obsessive compulsion to keep error-prone integer math is my biggest problem. Add floating point to your compiler and actually attempt to match the processing capability of a modern CPU and you would find far less trouble. But I will throw you a bone. If you want to prove yourself, AND get paid for it. http://www.dodsbir.net/sitis/quick_scan.asp[^]
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
Add floating point to your compiler and actually attempt to match the processing capability of a modern CPU and you would find far less trouble.
We had floating point in an earlier version of the compiler. We removed it as an experiment. Except for encoding literals, the whole thing was contained in a small library (not the compiler proper). If you want them in the current version (without literals, unfortunately) all you have to do is code up the appropriate wrappers. It's not a big deal.
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I'm simply not going to risk installing it, it's my policy, if someone vouched for it then perhaps but at the moment I have not the time to try out something that has been spammed so much. I might as well try out some of the viagra that arrives in my spam box so frequently.
I have no idea what I just said. But my intentions were sincere.
Ed.Poore wrote:
I'm simply not going to risk installing it, it's my policy, if someone vouched for it then perhaps but at the moment I have not the time to try out something that has been spammed so much. I might as well try out some of the viagra that arrives in my spam box so frequently.
Okey dokey. Let me know, however, if you change your mind or find yourself with a machine you're willing to risk.
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
Add floating point to your compiler and actually attempt to match the processing capability of a modern CPU and you would find far less trouble.
We had floating point in an earlier version of the compiler. We removed it as an experiment. Except for encoding literals, the whole thing was contained in a small library (not the compiler proper). If you want them in the current version (without literals, unfortunately) all you have to do is code up the appropriate wrappers. It's not a big deal.
The Grand Negus wrote:
without literals, unfortunately
hmmmmm... so I can have floating points, single double and long double? but I can't type 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 because the environment doesn't allow it.... :doh:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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It's a mistake to give a terrorist like Arafat a Nobel prize, for any reason. It suggests too strongly that the committee approves of his character. Any kind of award or citation should take character, not just contribution, into account.
That's a pretty harsh analogy that isn't valid. And this ain't no nobel prize. Its a thank you for contributing to helping others. In the lounge and the soapbox you are allowed to be personal. So, no, character isn't a valid qualifier in this case. And its not appropriate for you to define for the rest of us what is valid for determining the MVP. Actually only Chris and his crew can justifiably do this.
What's in a sig? This statement is false. Build a bridge and get over it. ~ Chris Maunder
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The Grand Negus wrote:
without literals, unfortunately
hmmmmm... so I can have floating points, single double and long double? but I can't type 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 because the environment doesn't allow it.... :doh:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
hmmmmm... so I can have floating points, single double and long double? but I can't type 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 because the environment doesn't allow it....
Right. Intentionally so. We're trying, please recall, to build a machine that comprehends on the level of a three-year old. Such numbers are incomprehensible at that age, so we don't need them. That's why they're not in there. But it's not a big deal. A temporary fix would be to enclose such literals in quotes and then parse them into appropriate internal form. But it's not of interest to us given the goals and the current state of our project. Which is of course significantly different from the "fatal flaw" that you make it out to be.
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That's a pretty harsh analogy that isn't valid. And this ain't no nobel prize. Its a thank you for contributing to helping others. In the lounge and the soapbox you are allowed to be personal. So, no, character isn't a valid qualifier in this case. And its not appropriate for you to define for the rest of us what is valid for determining the MVP. Actually only Chris and his crew can justifiably do this.
What's in a sig? This statement is false. Build a bridge and get over it. ~ Chris Maunder
Chris S Kaiser wrote:
And its not appropriate for you to define for the rest of us what is valid for determining the MVP. Actually only Chris and his crew can justifiably do this.
But it is appropriate for me to make suggestions, and I suggest that character be taken into account along with the rest of the qualifications.
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
hmmmmm... so I can have floating points, single double and long double? but I can't type 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 because the environment doesn't allow it....
Right. Intentionally so. We're trying, please recall, to build a machine that comprehends on the level of a three-year old. Such numbers are incomprehensible at that age, so we don't need them. That's why they're not in there. But it's not a big deal. A temporary fix would be to enclose such literals in quotes and then parse them into appropriate internal form. But it's not of interest to us given the goals and the current state of our project. Which is of course significantly different from the "fatal flaw" that you make it out to be.
The Grand Negus wrote:
We're trying, please recall, to build a machine that comprehends on the level of a three-year old
The Grand Negus wrote:
Which is of course significantly different from the "fatal flaw" that you make it out to be.
I can't believe you put that in the same the post.... :omg: Actually a child understands more than you think, obviously, because they are already adapted to depth perception and shape analysis, which is exactly what that number represents to a computer. So yes, a child inherently understands the number without recognizing the number as yet. It's the length of a slice of pie to the distance of the yucky crust you have to pull off. ;)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Chris S Kaiser wrote:
And its not appropriate for you to define for the rest of us what is valid for determining the MVP. Actually only Chris and his crew can justifiably do this.
But it is appropriate for me to make suggestions, and I suggest that character be taken into account along with the rest of the qualifications.
Correct. This is accurate, but you didn't make a suggestion before, you dictated implied law through the usage of the word Should. Suggest away.
What's in a sig? This statement is false. Build a bridge and get over it. ~ Chris Maunder
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The Grand Negus wrote:
We're trying, please recall, to build a machine that comprehends on the level of a three-year old
The Grand Negus wrote:
Which is of course significantly different from the "fatal flaw" that you make it out to be.
I can't believe you put that in the same the post.... :omg: Actually a child understands more than you think, obviously, because they are already adapted to depth perception and shape analysis, which is exactly what that number represents to a computer. So yes, a child inherently understands the number without recognizing the number as yet. It's the length of a slice of pie to the distance of the yucky crust you have to pull off. ;)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)