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  • realJSOPR realJSOP

    What considerations exist when hooking a big-screen TV (56-inch in our case) to a standard cable hookup? We're considering either a Samsung DLP or a JVC H56FN97 LCOS unit. 1) What do standard definition shows look like? Will the picture be stretched to fit the width of the screen, or will it simply make the picture as big as possible without distorting the aspect ratio? 2) Will we still be able to get HD content if we don't have a digital cable box? 3) Any other things I should know about? I'd appreciate people that respond qualify their comments with whether or not they've gone through the same ting or not.

    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

    What do standard definition shows look like?

    Crappy! Not as good as HD

    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

    Will the picture be stretched to fit the width of the screen, or will it simply make the picture as big as possible without distorting the aspect ratio?

    It's possible to do the both on my Sony LCD Projection.

    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

    Will we still be able to get HD content if we don't have a digital cable box?

    You need to have a HD box. Not all digital boxes are HD capable. You can get some local channels in HD if you have an antenna. BTW The dish network seems to have the best HD package currently. Get a new dish subscription. I have Comcast and it seems to be not as good a the dish.

    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

    Any other things I should know about?

    When at the store, watch the TV at a distance and at different angles. DLP's have rainbow effect and LCDs have screen door effect. See if you are observer either of those. I can observe these effects on my LCD but my wife cannot. -- modified at 13:09 Monday 8th January, 2007


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      John, as a base line to my comments below, I have a 61 inch, RCA DLP hooked to cable. This is about a 2 year old TV (purchased with the proceeds of a really good day at a riverboat casino).

      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

      1. What do standard definition shows look like? Will the picture be stretched to fit the width of the screen, or will it simply make the picture as big as possible without distorting the aspect ratio?

      Ours has a menu selection (readily changed) that lets you leave as normal or stretch. I originally had it set to stretch but that distorted the FoxNews babes.

      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

      1. Will we still be able to get HD content if we don't have a digital cable box?

      Not sure, we were told we needed the box. That may have been a cable scam but our box (DVR) has recording capability and that is terrific.

      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

      1. Any other things I should know about?

      yep. NFL cheer leaders are life size and dandy. modified to add: Our local network stations are all HD now. Anything not HD is crisper on a smaller screen but you'll still love the larger screen result.

      Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Dear NYT - Thanks for being the house organ of the Democrat Party. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.

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      Mike Gaskey wrote:

      with the proceeds of a really good day at a riverboat casino

      :-D I wish I am that lucky!


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      • realJSOPR realJSOP

        What considerations exist when hooking a big-screen TV (56-inch in our case) to a standard cable hookup? We're considering either a Samsung DLP or a JVC H56FN97 LCOS unit. 1) What do standard definition shows look like? Will the picture be stretched to fit the width of the screen, or will it simply make the picture as big as possible without distorting the aspect ratio? 2) Will we still be able to get HD content if we don't have a digital cable box? 3) Any other things I should know about? I'd appreciate people that respond qualify their comments with whether or not they've gone through the same ting or not.

        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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        "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

        1. What do standard definition shows look like? Will the picture be stretched to fit the width of the screen, or will it simply make the picture as big as possible without distorting the aspect ratio?

        most HDs let you choose the aspect ratio right from the remote. so, you can choose between letter-boxed standard aspect, or any number of stretches, zooms and boxed ratios. i leave mine on "Full" which is a slightly-wider version of the standard ratio, because the standard ratio leaves too much dead space on the edges of the screen, for my taste.

        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

        1. Will we still be able to get HD content if we don't have a digital cable box?

        i couldn't. but i called TimeWarner and they brought out an HD box the next day.

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        • realJSOPR realJSOP

          What considerations exist when hooking a big-screen TV (56-inch in our case) to a standard cable hookup? We're considering either a Samsung DLP or a JVC H56FN97 LCOS unit. 1) What do standard definition shows look like? Will the picture be stretched to fit the width of the screen, or will it simply make the picture as big as possible without distorting the aspect ratio? 2) Will we still be able to get HD content if we don't have a digital cable box? 3) Any other things I should know about? I'd appreciate people that respond qualify their comments with whether or not they've gone through the same ting or not.

          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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          "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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          Viewing distance for that should be at least 2.5 metres. You can select to stretch or show in original aspect ratio on most modelsthrough a menu option. As for HD,you will need a digital source (cable or satellite, I don't know the digital terrestrial situation there). Elaine :rose:

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            Mike Gaskey wrote:

            with the proceeds of a really good day at a riverboat casino

            :-D I wish I am that lucky!


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            Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

            I wish I am that lucky!

            actually it was primarily my wife, but we both hit royal flushes on a $1 machine, paid $4,000 each and she hit another $2,000 bonus the same day, along with a couple of additional jackpots. Came back up $10,000+ that day.

            Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Dear NYT - Thanks for being the house organ of the Democrat Party. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.

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            • realJSOPR realJSOP

              What considerations exist when hooking a big-screen TV (56-inch in our case) to a standard cable hookup? We're considering either a Samsung DLP or a JVC H56FN97 LCOS unit. 1) What do standard definition shows look like? Will the picture be stretched to fit the width of the screen, or will it simply make the picture as big as possible without distorting the aspect ratio? 2) Will we still be able to get HD content if we don't have a digital cable box? 3) Any other things I should know about? I'd appreciate people that respond qualify their comments with whether or not they've gone through the same ting or not.

              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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              "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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              John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

              1. What do standard definition shows look like? Will the picture be stretched to fit the width of the screen, or will it simply make the picture as big as possible without distorting the aspect ratio?

              As said before there should be an option to format the screen to 4:3 so it won't stretch.

              John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

              1. Will we still be able to get HD content if we don't have a digital cable box?

              You can usually get your local news stations etc. with an HD antenna which I believe runs about $60 for a whole house type you put on your roof. I'm sure there's others you put next to the TV like rabbit ears.

              John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

              1. Any other things I should know about?

              Not that I can think of except maybe keep things away from the vent fan for the bulb as my Mitsubishi puts out a lot of heat. Actually melted a scented candle thing my wife put on the entertainment center after my daughter pushed it close to it:doh:

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                John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                What do standard definition shows look like?

                Crappy! Not as good as HD

                John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                Will the picture be stretched to fit the width of the screen, or will it simply make the picture as big as possible without distorting the aspect ratio?

                It's possible to do the both on my Sony LCD Projection.

                John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                Will we still be able to get HD content if we don't have a digital cable box?

                You need to have a HD box. Not all digital boxes are HD capable. You can get some local channels in HD if you have an antenna. BTW The dish network seems to have the best HD package currently. Get a new dish subscription. I have Comcast and it seems to be not as good a the dish.

                John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                Any other things I should know about?

                When at the store, watch the TV at a distance and at different angles. DLP's have rainbow effect and LCDs have screen door effect. See if you are observer either of those. I can observe these effects on my LCD but my wife cannot. -- modified at 13:09 Monday 8th January, 2007


                Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. -Brian Kernighan

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                Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                DLP's have rainbow effect and LCDs have screen door effect. See if you are observer either of those. I can observe these effects on my LCD but not my wife.

                If you ever see the screen door effect on your wife, you might want to take her to the doctor (or ask her what she's been sleeping on).


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                  Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                  DLP's have rainbow effect and LCDs have screen door effect. See if you are observer either of those. I can observe these effects on my LCD but not my wife.

                  If you ever see the screen door effect on your wife, you might want to take her to the doctor (or ask her what she's been sleeping on).


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                  :-O Need to be careful with grammar.


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                  • realJSOPR realJSOP

                    What considerations exist when hooking a big-screen TV (56-inch in our case) to a standard cable hookup? We're considering either a Samsung DLP or a JVC H56FN97 LCOS unit. 1) What do standard definition shows look like? Will the picture be stretched to fit the width of the screen, or will it simply make the picture as big as possible without distorting the aspect ratio? 2) Will we still be able to get HD content if we don't have a digital cable box? 3) Any other things I should know about? I'd appreciate people that respond qualify their comments with whether or not they've gone through the same ting or not.

                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                    "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                    I've had HD for 8 years now - I have two HDTVs in my house, a 65" and a 32". I have Directv and an external antenna. I have noticed going to other people's houses that have HD cable through Adelphia (now they have Time Warner, but it is the same), the local HD channels are compressed somewhat. They do look better than standard definition, no question about that, but the uncompressed HD channels over the air look better. I noticed this when watching the Cowboys Thanksgiving day game at their house about a year ago. The field was not as crisp and clear as it is on my set because of the compression they do. My wife noticed this also, and she is not a technophile by any stretch of the imagination. Basically, if your set has an ATSC tuner, and you don't mind having an external antenna or some rabbit ears - you will get a better picture that way for the local channels in HD, than you will through your cable box. A good antenna resource is www.antennaweb.org if you live in the U.S. Also make absolutely sure that the TV you purchase has an HDMI input with HDCP (since the content companies are making this a requirement to watch the new high def DVDs in full resolution). Neither of mine do, since I got them before this stupid requirement, and now I am stuck having to shell out the bucks again for another TV! ARGH! David

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                      I've had HD for 8 years now - I have two HDTVs in my house, a 65" and a 32". I have Directv and an external antenna. I have noticed going to other people's houses that have HD cable through Adelphia (now they have Time Warner, but it is the same), the local HD channels are compressed somewhat. They do look better than standard definition, no question about that, but the uncompressed HD channels over the air look better. I noticed this when watching the Cowboys Thanksgiving day game at their house about a year ago. The field was not as crisp and clear as it is on my set because of the compression they do. My wife noticed this also, and she is not a technophile by any stretch of the imagination. Basically, if your set has an ATSC tuner, and you don't mind having an external antenna or some rabbit ears - you will get a better picture that way for the local channels in HD, than you will through your cable box. A good antenna resource is www.antennaweb.org if you live in the U.S. Also make absolutely sure that the TV you purchase has an HDMI input with HDCP (since the content companies are making this a requirement to watch the new high def DVDs in full resolution). Neither of mine do, since I got them before this stupid requirement, and now I am stuck having to shell out the bucks again for another TV! ARGH! David

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                      David Knechtges wrote:

                      Also make absolutely sure that the TV you purchase has an HDMI input with HDCP (since the content companies are making this a requirement to watch the new high def DVDs in full resolution). Neither of mine do, since I got them before this stupid requirement, and now I am stuck having to shell out the bucks again for another TV! ARGH!

                      Another option is to just forgo the HD/BD dvd's since they are evil. If nobody buys these restricted pieces of garbage (a sad bit of optimism on my part) then they'll have to remove the requirement so that people will then go out and buy the content. Don't feed the beast.

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                        I've had HD for 8 years now - I have two HDTVs in my house, a 65" and a 32". I have Directv and an external antenna. I have noticed going to other people's houses that have HD cable through Adelphia (now they have Time Warner, but it is the same), the local HD channels are compressed somewhat. They do look better than standard definition, no question about that, but the uncompressed HD channels over the air look better. I noticed this when watching the Cowboys Thanksgiving day game at their house about a year ago. The field was not as crisp and clear as it is on my set because of the compression they do. My wife noticed this also, and she is not a technophile by any stretch of the imagination. Basically, if your set has an ATSC tuner, and you don't mind having an external antenna or some rabbit ears - you will get a better picture that way for the local channels in HD, than you will through your cable box. A good antenna resource is www.antennaweb.org if you live in the U.S. Also make absolutely sure that the TV you purchase has an HDMI input with HDCP (since the content companies are making this a requirement to watch the new high def DVDs in full resolution). Neither of mine do, since I got them before this stupid requirement, and now I am stuck having to shell out the bucks again for another TV! ARGH! David

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                        David Knechtges wrote:

                        I noticed this when watching the Cowboys Thanksgiving day game at their house about a year ago.

                        do you have the same TV as the other people ? different TVs have different filters, decompression schemes, etc..

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                          I've had HD for 8 years now - I have two HDTVs in my house, a 65" and a 32". I have Directv and an external antenna. I have noticed going to other people's houses that have HD cable through Adelphia (now they have Time Warner, but it is the same), the local HD channels are compressed somewhat. They do look better than standard definition, no question about that, but the uncompressed HD channels over the air look better. I noticed this when watching the Cowboys Thanksgiving day game at their house about a year ago. The field was not as crisp and clear as it is on my set because of the compression they do. My wife noticed this also, and she is not a technophile by any stretch of the imagination. Basically, if your set has an ATSC tuner, and you don't mind having an external antenna or some rabbit ears - you will get a better picture that way for the local channels in HD, than you will through your cable box. A good antenna resource is www.antennaweb.org if you live in the U.S. Also make absolutely sure that the TV you purchase has an HDMI input with HDCP (since the content companies are making this a requirement to watch the new high def DVDs in full resolution). Neither of mine do, since I got them before this stupid requirement, and now I am stuck having to shell out the bucks again for another TV! ARGH! David

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                          We don't have a HD DVD player. The TV we're looking at has two HDMI inputs. We were considering dumping cable for dish network.

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                            We don't have a HD DVD player. The TV we're looking at has two HDMI inputs. We were considering dumping cable for dish network.

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                            John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                            We were considering dumping cable for dish network

                            Either that or go with DirectTV. Not sure about Dish Network but DTV is supposed to have something like 150 HD channels (according to their marketing department;P) by the end of '07. That'll make it worth your money as even though it is DIGITAL it's not necessarily HD. -- modified at 14:44 Monday 8th January, 2007

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                              We don't have a HD DVD player. The TV we're looking at has two HDMI inputs. We were considering dumping cable for dish network.

                              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                              John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                              We were considering dumping cable for dish network.

                              my parents have HDTV (LCD) using Dish Network and the picture is absolutely stunning...When it's not raining, that is.

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                                What considerations exist when hooking a big-screen TV (56-inch in our case) to a standard cable hookup? We're considering either a Samsung DLP or a JVC H56FN97 LCOS unit. 1) What do standard definition shows look like? Will the picture be stretched to fit the width of the screen, or will it simply make the picture as big as possible without distorting the aspect ratio? 2) Will we still be able to get HD content if we don't have a digital cable box? 3) Any other things I should know about? I'd appreciate people that respond qualify their comments with whether or not they've gone through the same ting or not.

                                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                Went through the same thing until my HD Sattelite receiver was delivered. Most HD tv's have several settings to fill the screen with the sd picture. I've found the best setting is the one that doesn't cut anything off and sort of warps the edges on left and right so they are stretched a bit. You don't notice it after a while and it doesn't lose anything in that mode. There are also other settings, some cut off the top and bottom and zoom the whole thing. You won't get HD content without an HD receiver of some kind. I mean you will get it but it will be at sd resolution. Basically it's watchable but without an HD receiver it's not really worth it. My other purchase that I had to make to accompany my HD set was an amplifier / receiver that switches all the inputs to the tv, the old one didn't have the switchable component video (separate red green blue connectors) which is what I settled on as the most practical connection to use to the tv. Unfortunately my new reciever can't convert a standard baseband video (single video plug) into component video so my xbox has to be plugged directly into the tv. To be honest the messiest part of the whole thing is the multiple inputs being switched to the tv, if I had to do it over again I'd ensure all the equipment is component video or something that is hd compatible and for the items that aren't I'd want an audio amp / receiver that can convert standard video to component video so that I don't have to make any changes on the tv. That way you can work with one remote to switch to the different devices. Also if you are considering a plasma tv, contrary to what the manufacturers say they still do burn in so if you watch a lot of SD programming in the center of the screen you will get brigher bands on the left and right where it hasn't displayed as often so watch for that and wherever possible attempt to display on the whole screen area.

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                                  Went through the same thing until my HD Sattelite receiver was delivered. Most HD tv's have several settings to fill the screen with the sd picture. I've found the best setting is the one that doesn't cut anything off and sort of warps the edges on left and right so they are stretched a bit. You don't notice it after a while and it doesn't lose anything in that mode. There are also other settings, some cut off the top and bottom and zoom the whole thing. You won't get HD content without an HD receiver of some kind. I mean you will get it but it will be at sd resolution. Basically it's watchable but without an HD receiver it's not really worth it. My other purchase that I had to make to accompany my HD set was an amplifier / receiver that switches all the inputs to the tv, the old one didn't have the switchable component video (separate red green blue connectors) which is what I settled on as the most practical connection to use to the tv. Unfortunately my new reciever can't convert a standard baseband video (single video plug) into component video so my xbox has to be plugged directly into the tv. To be honest the messiest part of the whole thing is the multiple inputs being switched to the tv, if I had to do it over again I'd ensure all the equipment is component video or something that is hd compatible and for the items that aren't I'd want an audio amp / receiver that can convert standard video to component video so that I don't have to make any changes on the tv. That way you can work with one remote to switch to the different devices. Also if you are considering a plasma tv, contrary to what the manufacturers say they still do burn in so if you watch a lot of SD programming in the center of the screen you will get brigher bands on the left and right where it hasn't displayed as often so watch for that and wherever possible attempt to display on the whole screen area.

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                                  The set I'm looking at has two component video inputs. I don't know yet, but I would expect the satellite receiver box to have component output (especially if I get the HD/DVR setup). After that, I have a 2-year old home theater system that pushes dvd and vcr input through the tv. I have to look, but I think it has component output as well. Is that what you're talking about?

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                                    The set I'm looking at has two component video inputs. I don't know yet, but I would expect the satellite receiver box to have component output (especially if I get the HD/DVR setup). After that, I have a 2-year old home theater system that pushes dvd and vcr input through the tv. I have to look, but I think it has component output as well. Is that what you're talking about?

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                                    AFAIK all the HD satellite and cable receivers have a component video output, the tricky part is the other equipment like DVD / gaming machine / vcr etc. For example let's say your vcr does not have component video output (the 3 separate red green and blue rca cables) but has only the composite video (one single rca cable for video). If you want to watch that on your tv you need to get the signal to it somehow. In my 1 year old sony home theater amplifier / receiver I can't plug that composite video cable into an input in it and switch it out to a component video output to the tv set. That means I can get the signal to the tv one of two ways: My tv has a composite video input so I could plug the vcr directly into the tv, but then I have to fart around with the tv remote and set up separate audio still through the main amp so I now have two remotes I have to play with just to get the vcr signal plus the vcr remote itself. I can plug the composite video from the vcr into the amp and run a second composite out from the receiver to the tv so that I now have two outputs going from the amp (composite and component video) to two separate inputs on the tv, but again same problem I have to switch the tv to the right input so still two remotes to futter around with. Ideally I'd like my amp to take any input signal it supports and output it as component video or hdmi or whatever it's capable of so that I can have one remote for the amp and select what I want to watch without ever having to mess with the TV remove. Problem is I don't know if they exist or not. The whole thing boils down to the single issue that I'd ideally like one remote control for whatever I want to watch with a single button to go from DVD to satellite etc. I can buy a high end programmable remote that can take much of that nonsense and automate it but sadly they have yet to make one that supports the UHF remote that my satellite receiver uses. Baically I just want to be able to hit DVD and watch a DVD or Sat and watch sat or cable and watch cable (we have both because it's the only high speed internet we can get here although I almost never watch it).

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                                      AFAIK all the HD satellite and cable receivers have a component video output, the tricky part is the other equipment like DVD / gaming machine / vcr etc. For example let's say your vcr does not have component video output (the 3 separate red green and blue rca cables) but has only the composite video (one single rca cable for video). If you want to watch that on your tv you need to get the signal to it somehow. In my 1 year old sony home theater amplifier / receiver I can't plug that composite video cable into an input in it and switch it out to a component video output to the tv set. That means I can get the signal to the tv one of two ways: My tv has a composite video input so I could plug the vcr directly into the tv, but then I have to fart around with the tv remote and set up separate audio still through the main amp so I now have two remotes I have to play with just to get the vcr signal plus the vcr remote itself. I can plug the composite video from the vcr into the amp and run a second composite out from the receiver to the tv so that I now have two outputs going from the amp (composite and component video) to two separate inputs on the tv, but again same problem I have to switch the tv to the right input so still two remotes to futter around with. Ideally I'd like my amp to take any input signal it supports and output it as component video or hdmi or whatever it's capable of so that I can have one remote for the amp and select what I want to watch without ever having to mess with the TV remove. Problem is I don't know if they exist or not. The whole thing boils down to the single issue that I'd ideally like one remote control for whatever I want to watch with a single button to go from DVD to satellite etc. I can buy a high end programmable remote that can take much of that nonsense and automate it but sadly they have yet to make one that supports the UHF remote that my satellite receiver uses. Baically I just want to be able to hit DVD and watch a DVD or Sat and watch sat or cable and watch cable (we have both because it's the only high speed internet we can get here although I almost never watch it).

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                                      John Cardinal wrote:

                                      Ideally I'd like my amp to take any input signal it supports and output it as component video or hdmi or whatever it's capable of so that I can have one remote for the amp and select what I want to watch without ever having to mess with the TV remove. Problem is I don't know if they exist or not.

                                      Some of the mid to higher end systems will upconvert video. e.g. http://www.yamaha.ca/av/Receivers/HTR5990B.jsp[^] (on left click on 'Up-conversion with HDMI')

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                                        John Cardinal wrote:

                                        Ideally I'd like my amp to take any input signal it supports and output it as component video or hdmi or whatever it's capable of so that I can have one remote for the amp and select what I want to watch without ever having to mess with the TV remove. Problem is I don't know if they exist or not.

                                        Some of the mid to higher end systems will upconvert video. e.g. http://www.yamaha.ca/av/Receivers/HTR5990B.jsp[^] (on left click on 'Up-conversion with HDMI')

                                        ...cmk Save the whales - collect the whole set

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                                        Interesting, although according to the chart they only go to 480 not 1080. I guess the real solution is to just chuck out everything down the road when the industry settles down and get all hdmi gear.

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                                          Interesting, although according to the chart they only go to 480 not 1080. I guess the real solution is to just chuck out everything down the road when the industry settles down and get all hdmi gear.

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                                          John Cardinal wrote:

                                          Interesting, although according to the chart they only go to 480 not 1080.

                                          I've seen other models that will upconvert to 1080 (not sure about 1080p, likely just 1080i).

                                          John Cardinal wrote:

                                          I guess the real solution is to just chuck out everything down the road when the industry settles down and get all hdmi gear.

                                          Not only HDMI, but the HDCP certification as well. Personally i'm waiting for a 1080p camcorder to come out.

                                          ...cmk Save the whales - collect the whole set

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