Long life battery
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I was wondering about batteries and at the same time about the universe. The universe is moving a long long time, without any stop. Where does the energy come from? Can't we design a system like that using gravity to create a battery with a long long life? I mean creating a moving system using gravity and converting movement to electricity.
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I was wondering about batteries and at the same time about the universe. The universe is moving a long long time, without any stop. Where does the energy come from? Can't we design a system like that using gravity to create a battery with a long long life? I mean creating a moving system using gravity and converting movement to electricity.
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The universe is moving as a result of initial impetus, as far as I understand it.
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The universe is moving as a result of initial impetus, as far as I understand it.
Christian Graus - C++ MVP 'Why don't we jump on a fad that hasn't already been widely discredited ?' - Dilbert
Whatever is the reason of the gravity, it exists for so long. Human being already converted the energy caught from sun to power, while sun is not always there! Why don't try gravity?
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Whatever is the reason of the gravity, it exists for so long. Human being already converted the energy caught from sun to power, while sun is not always there! Why don't try gravity?
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There is already a widely used system that harness the power of gravity to generate electricity. Misleadingly, it's called Hydro power. Water stored in a dam, is forced through openings in the dam, due to the weight (hence gravity) of all the water above. The rushing water then spins turbines to generate electricity. You can't generate energy, only transfer already existing stored energy. So to get energy from gravity, you need to find high up objects, and drop them, causing them to release their energy. The obvious problem is that you have to somehow get the objects high up in the first place, which requires energy. Simon
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Whatever is the reason of the gravity, it exists for so long. Human being already converted the energy caught from sun to power, while sun is not always there! Why don't try gravity?
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There is already a widely used system that harness the power of gravity to generate electricity. Misleadingly, it's called Hydro power. Water stored in a dam, is forced through openings in the dam, due to the weight (hence gravity) of all the water above. The rushing water then spins turbines to generate electricity. You can't generate energy, only transfer already existing stored energy. So to get energy from gravity, you need to find high up objects, and drop them, causing them to release their energy. The obvious problem is that you have to somehow get the objects high up in the first place, which requires energy. Simon
Simon Stevens wrote:
You can't generate energy, only transfer already existing stored energy.
Agree, basic law of energy.. People also have energy in their body, when people died the energy turn out become .... (guess)
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There is already a widely used system that harness the power of gravity to generate electricity. Misleadingly, it's called Hydro power. Water stored in a dam, is forced through openings in the dam, due to the weight (hence gravity) of all the water above. The rushing water then spins turbines to generate electricity. You can't generate energy, only transfer already existing stored energy. So to get energy from gravity, you need to find high up objects, and drop them, causing them to release their energy. The obvious problem is that you have to somehow get the objects high up in the first place, which requires energy. Simon
You beat me to it.
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There are some places that use gravity for power but alot of the time it's indirect. Geothermal power comes from gravity, without up and down there arn't any convection currents, also tidal power comes from the gravity of the moon.
Pity we're going to lose the moon. Its slipping away 1cm every year.
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There is already a widely used system that harness the power of gravity to generate electricity. Misleadingly, it's called Hydro power. Water stored in a dam, is forced through openings in the dam, due to the weight (hence gravity) of all the water above. The rushing water then spins turbines to generate electricity. You can't generate energy, only transfer already existing stored energy. So to get energy from gravity, you need to find high up objects, and drop them, causing them to release their energy. The obvious problem is that you have to somehow get the objects high up in the first place, which requires energy. Simon
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Whatever is the reason of the gravity, it exists for so long. Human being already converted the energy caught from sun to power, while sun is not always there! Why don't try gravity?
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I was wondering about batteries and at the same time about the universe. The universe is moving a long long time, without any stop. Where does the energy come from? Can't we design a system like that using gravity to create a battery with a long long life? I mean creating a moving system using gravity and converting movement to electricity.
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Hamed Mosavi wrote:
Where does the energy come from?
That is a question that has been pondering cosmologists for ages. The most common accepted theory is a huge black-hole that blew up, the motion of the universe is still following that initial explosion that was ... well ... big. So "if" this is true, you would like a black hole in your pocket? I'll pass. Some forms of energy are a little too powerful. Lightning for instance is a small fraction of the energy potential of a black-hole, yet nothing we have is capable (yet) of harnessing this energy. Another magnitude upwards, but still a small fraction of the energy potential of a black-hole, would be the sun. I also would not like to carry a fusion reactor in my pocket. There is a lot of energy around us every day, the question is how to harness it. For instance, a watch[^] powered by human movement, is not for the couch potato. Obviously, if you choose not to make energy, a kinetic watch can't avail itself of your potential energy and turn it into real energy. which is where the problem is. Hydro-electric needs water, and you need to lift it high, creating potential energy against gravity. Wind needs more than a breeze to turn a turbine, Solar needs the sun. No energy is "free" and "perpetual". To get energy, you need to take energy from another system, borrowing energy or transferring energy if you prefer. No one ever "creates" energy, they release its potential energy into useable forms of energy. borrowing energy from the universe, though theoretically possible, would be difficult because the energy has to be reduced from the original energy structure.... you could transfer energy by slowing down the galaxy minutely transferring the kinetic innertial energy into electricity, but how are you going to slow down the galaxy in order to transfer that energy? -- modified at 11:02 Tuesday 16th January, 2007
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Hamed Mosavi wrote:
Where does the energy come from?
That is a question that has been pondering cosmologists for ages. The most common accepted theory is a huge black-hole that blew up, the motion of the universe is still following that initial explosion that was ... well ... big. So "if" this is true, you would like a black hole in your pocket? I'll pass. Some forms of energy are a little too powerful. Lightning for instance is a small fraction of the energy potential of a black-hole, yet nothing we have is capable (yet) of harnessing this energy. Another magnitude upwards, but still a small fraction of the energy potential of a black-hole, would be the sun. I also would not like to carry a fusion reactor in my pocket. There is a lot of energy around us every day, the question is how to harness it. For instance, a watch[^] powered by human movement, is not for the couch potato. Obviously, if you choose not to make energy, a kinetic watch can't avail itself of your potential energy and turn it into real energy. which is where the problem is. Hydro-electric needs water, and you need to lift it high, creating potential energy against gravity. Wind needs more than a breeze to turn a turbine, Solar needs the sun. No energy is "free" and "perpetual". To get energy, you need to take energy from another system, borrowing energy or transferring energy if you prefer. No one ever "creates" energy, they release its potential energy into useable forms of energy. borrowing energy from the universe, though theoretically possible, would be difficult because the energy has to be reduced from the original energy structure.... you could transfer energy by slowing down the galaxy minutely transferring the kinetic innertial energy into electricity, but how are you going to slow down the galaxy in order to transfer that energy? -- modified at 11:02 Tuesday 16th January, 2007
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
borrowing energy from the universe, though theoretically possible, would be difficult because the energy has to be reduced from the original energy structure.... you could transfer energy by slowing down the galaxy minutely transferring the kinetic innertial energy into electricity, but how are you going to slow down the galaxy in order to transfer that energy?
Instead of trying to tap kinetic energy you could go after the vacuum energy. I know there's at least one research team trying to make a device to do this using quantum oscillators the casimir(??) effect.
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Hamed Mosavi wrote:
Where does the energy come from?
That is a question that has been pondering cosmologists for ages. The most common accepted theory is a huge black-hole that blew up, the motion of the universe is still following that initial explosion that was ... well ... big. So "if" this is true, you would like a black hole in your pocket? I'll pass. Some forms of energy are a little too powerful. Lightning for instance is a small fraction of the energy potential of a black-hole, yet nothing we have is capable (yet) of harnessing this energy. Another magnitude upwards, but still a small fraction of the energy potential of a black-hole, would be the sun. I also would not like to carry a fusion reactor in my pocket. There is a lot of energy around us every day, the question is how to harness it. For instance, a watch[^] powered by human movement, is not for the couch potato. Obviously, if you choose not to make energy, a kinetic watch can't avail itself of your potential energy and turn it into real energy. which is where the problem is. Hydro-electric needs water, and you need to lift it high, creating potential energy against gravity. Wind needs more than a breeze to turn a turbine, Solar needs the sun. No energy is "free" and "perpetual". To get energy, you need to take energy from another system, borrowing energy or transferring energy if you prefer. No one ever "creates" energy, they release its potential energy into useable forms of energy. borrowing energy from the universe, though theoretically possible, would be difficult because the energy has to be reduced from the original energy structure.... you could transfer energy by slowing down the galaxy minutely transferring the kinetic innertial energy into electricity, but how are you going to slow down the galaxy in order to transfer that energy? -- modified at 11:02 Tuesday 16th January, 2007
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
The most common accepted theory is a huge black-hole that blew up
Wouldn't that be a white hole? :~
Cheers, Vikram.
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
borrowing energy from the universe, though theoretically possible, would be difficult because the energy has to be reduced from the original energy structure.... you could transfer energy by slowing down the galaxy minutely transferring the kinetic innertial energy into electricity, but how are you going to slow down the galaxy in order to transfer that energy?
Instead of trying to tap kinetic energy you could go after the vacuum energy. I know there's at least one research team trying to make a device to do this using quantum oscillators the casimir(??) effect.
-- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.
dan neely wrote:
Instead of trying to tap kinetic energy you could go after the vacuum energy. I know there's at least one research team trying to make a device to do this using quantum oscillators the casimir(??) effect.
very true. Zero Point Energy of the universe is potentially very powerful. Though as I read it the casimir effect requires very finely aligned plates, the energy extracted is being experiented from many fronts. But the most excitement comes from nono-tech since Casimir Effect easily generates energy in small amounts involving small distances, its the perfect energy supply for nanotech.. The magnitude issue is still unknown, we can extract vaccuum or zero-point energy on the minute scale, but can we extract it on the grand scale? we hope to, but that is unknown. I believe NASA is working on a Zero-point engine. Similar to the ionic drive which can barely flutter a piece of paper, running 24 hours a day even minute energy builds a nice potential. Ionic drive only functions in the presence of light/heat from the sun, so has a limited range within the solar system based on distance from the Sun. Zero-point energy could be, theoretically, used for interstellar travel because it exists everywhere.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
The most common accepted theory is a huge black-hole that blew up
Wouldn't that be a white hole? :~
Cheers, Vikram.
"Life isn't fair, and the world is full of unscrupulous characters. There are things worth fighting for, killing for and dying for, but it's a really small list. Chalk it up to experience, let it go, and move on to the next positive experience in your life." - Christopher Duncan.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Wouldn't that be a white hole?
not exactly... that would be constantly spewing matter. Think of the event horizon as a bubble's edge and bursting the bubble. :) But then no one was there to watch, so all we can do is theorize based on the end result. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I was wondering about batteries and at the same time about the universe. The universe is moving a long long time, without any stop. Where does the energy come from? Can't we design a system like that using gravity to create a battery with a long long life? I mean creating a moving system using gravity and converting movement to electricity.
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Hamed Mosavi wrote:
The universe is moving a long long time, without any stop.
Well, if the universe is still out there :) We only see what the speed of light shows us, so anything beyond now is unknown..
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Hamed Mosavi wrote:
The universe is moving a long long time, without any stop.
Well, if the universe is still out there :) We only see what the speed of light shows us, so anything beyond now is unknown..
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Rocky Moore wrote:
We only see what the speed of light shows us, so anything beyond now is unknown..
I have never thought about it. Very interesting indeed.
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