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  • R Raj Lal

    Now assume you're so brilliant that you get job offers usually reserved for the Mensa guys which is the 98th percentile of the current population taking the test and you've got two offers on hand. One pays $ 180,000 per year with an annual increment raise of $ 20,000 while the other also pays the basic $ 180,000 per year with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. you have 30 seconds to decide Which one should you take if you're not actually a schmuck deep down? -- modified at 17:31 Tuesday 16th January, 2007 Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr. JumpyForum:CP Message board | Universal DBA | Ajax Rating | ExplorerTree | | Globalization in 20 minutesWeb based project tracking -- modified at 19:34 Tuesday 16th January, 2007

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    Quartz... wrote:

    One pays $ 180,000 per year with an annual increment raise of $ 20,000 while the other also pays the basic $ 180,000 per year with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months.

    The first offer's 20K raise is not guaranteed?

    Regards, Nish


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      Quartz... wrote:

      One pays $ 180,000 per year with an annual increment raise of $ 20,000 while the other also pays the basic $ 180,000 per year with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months.

      The first offer's 20K raise is not guaranteed?

      Regards, Nish


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      Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)

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      ofcourse it is, as much gauranteed as the second one

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      • R Raj Lal

        Now assume you're so brilliant that you get job offers usually reserved for the Mensa guys which is the 98th percentile of the current population taking the test and you've got two offers on hand. One pays $ 180,000 per year with an annual increment raise of $ 20,000 while the other also pays the basic $ 180,000 per year with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. you have 30 seconds to decide Which one should you take if you're not actually a schmuck deep down? -- modified at 17:31 Tuesday 16th January, 2007 Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr. JumpyForum:CP Message board | Universal DBA | Ajax Rating | ExplorerTree | | Globalization in 20 minutesWeb based project tracking -- modified at 19:34 Tuesday 16th January, 2007

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        Flip a coin....take whichever one the coin falls on....send me the info for the other job? jokes aside...the one with 20k raise ends up being better in the long run. That is if your tasks and responsabilities are similar.

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        • R Raj Lal

          Now assume you're so brilliant that you get job offers usually reserved for the Mensa guys which is the 98th percentile of the current population taking the test and you've got two offers on hand. One pays $ 180,000 per year with an annual increment raise of $ 20,000 while the other also pays the basic $ 180,000 per year with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. you have 30 seconds to decide Which one should you take if you're not actually a schmuck deep down? -- modified at 17:31 Tuesday 16th January, 2007 Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr. JumpyForum:CP Message board | Universal DBA | Ajax Rating | ExplorerTree | | Globalization in 20 minutesWeb based project tracking -- modified at 19:34 Tuesday 16th January, 2007

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          It's obviously the secret 3rd option of working for the DOD on classified projects, such as the nuclear laser weapons program, making a cool 2 million a year, with side benefits like: house, car, full medical and dental and the "arm candy" of your choosing. ... of course you didn't mention this option, because otherwise it wouldn't be a secret ... would it. :rolleyes:


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          • R Raj Lal

            ofcourse it is, as much gauranteed as the second one

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            Nish Nishant
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            Quartz... wrote:

            ofcourse it is, as much gauranteed as the second one

            Okay, so two jobs, both paying a basic salary of 180K, one with a 20K annual increment, the other with a bi-annual 5K increment. I'd take the 20K increment job if I intend to stay > than an year, and the 5K increment job if I intend to stay less than an year.

            Regards, Nish


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            • R Raj Lal

              Now assume you're so brilliant that you get job offers usually reserved for the Mensa guys which is the 98th percentile of the current population taking the test and you've got two offers on hand. One pays $ 180,000 per year with an annual increment raise of $ 20,000 while the other also pays the basic $ 180,000 per year with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. you have 30 seconds to decide Which one should you take if you're not actually a schmuck deep down? -- modified at 17:31 Tuesday 16th January, 2007 Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr. JumpyForum:CP Message board | Universal DBA | Ajax Rating | ExplorerTree | | Globalization in 20 minutesWeb based project tracking -- modified at 19:34 Tuesday 16th January, 2007

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              So? Whose answer wins the Zune?

              Regards, Nish


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              • R Raj Lal

                Now assume you're so brilliant that you get job offers usually reserved for the Mensa guys which is the 98th percentile of the current population taking the test and you've got two offers on hand. One pays $ 180,000 per year with an annual increment raise of $ 20,000 while the other also pays the basic $ 180,000 per year with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. you have 30 seconds to decide Which one should you take if you're not actually a schmuck deep down? -- modified at 17:31 Tuesday 16th January, 2007 Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr. JumpyForum:CP Message board | Universal DBA | Ajax Rating | ExplorerTree | | Globalization in 20 minutesWeb based project tracking -- modified at 19:34 Tuesday 16th January, 2007

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                Quartz... wrote:

                Which one should you take if you're not actually a schmuck deep down?

                Considering both make great money, I'd take the one that's more interesting to me.

                BW


                Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
                Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
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                  So? Whose answer wins the Zune?

                  Regards, Nish


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                  Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)

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                  nobody yet there is no if condition in the answer

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                  • R Raj Lal

                    Now assume you're so brilliant that you get job offers usually reserved for the Mensa guys which is the 98th percentile of the current population taking the test and you've got two offers on hand. One pays $ 180,000 per year with an annual increment raise of $ 20,000 while the other also pays the basic $ 180,000 per year with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. you have 30 seconds to decide Which one should you take if you're not actually a schmuck deep down? -- modified at 17:31 Tuesday 16th January, 2007 Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr. JumpyForum:CP Message board | Universal DBA | Ajax Rating | ExplorerTree | | Globalization in 20 minutesWeb based project tracking -- modified at 19:34 Tuesday 16th January, 2007

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                    Quartz... wrote:

                    ...the Mensa guys which is the 98th percentile of the current population...

                    This could be interpreted in (two) different ways.


                    "Approved Workmen Are Not Ashamed" - 2 Timothy 2:15

                    "Judge not by the eye but by the heart." - Native American Proverb

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                    • R Raj Lal

                      Now assume you're so brilliant that you get job offers usually reserved for the Mensa guys which is the 98th percentile of the current population taking the test and you've got two offers on hand. One pays $ 180,000 per year with an annual increment raise of $ 20,000 while the other also pays the basic $ 180,000 per year with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. you have 30 seconds to decide Which one should you take if you're not actually a schmuck deep down? -- modified at 17:31 Tuesday 16th January, 2007 Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr. JumpyForum:CP Message board | Universal DBA | Ajax Rating | ExplorerTree | | Globalization in 20 minutesWeb based project tracking -- modified at 19:34 Tuesday 16th January, 2007

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                      Raj Lal
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                      It is my opinion that the failure to see the obvious is weighted heavily by those making honest mistakes, often through ignorance, with only a few people intentionally making misleading assertions. However, it is also my opinion that many of those making honest mistakes know better. But they are lazy. don't ask me to explain the hint

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                      • D David Crow

                        Quartz... wrote:

                        ...the Mensa guys which is the 98th percentile of the current population...

                        This could be interpreted in (two) different ways.


                        "Approved Workmen Are Not Ashamed" - 2 Timothy 2:15

                        "Judge not by the eye but by the heart." - Native American Proverb

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                        you won't ask if you agree with the first assumption

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                          Quartz... wrote:

                          Which one should you take if you're not actually a schmuck deep down?

                          Considering both make great money, I'd take the one that's more interesting to me.

                          BW


                          Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
                          Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
                          -- Neil Peart

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                          brianwelsch wrote:

                          I'd take the one that's more interesting to me.

                          and that is ?

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                            you won't ask if you agree with the first assumption

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                            I fail to see your correlation. I was simply making the observation that folks belonging to Mensa are not "the 98th percentile of the current population." Worded correctly, members must score in the 98th percentile on standardized IQ tests. There's a big difference in what you wrote vs. what you meant.


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                            "Judge not by the eye but by the heart." - Native American Proverb

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                              I fail to see your correlation. I was simply making the observation that folks belonging to Mensa are not "the 98th percentile of the current population." Worded correctly, members must score in the 98th percentile on standardized IQ tests. There's a big difference in what you wrote vs. what you meant.


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                              "Judge not by the eye but by the heart." - Native American Proverb

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                              DavidCrow wrote:

                              I fail to see your correlation

                              Was kidding , there is none current population, my bad , i meant the population giving the mensa test

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                              • R Raj Lal

                                Now assume you're so brilliant that you get job offers usually reserved for the Mensa guys which is the 98th percentile of the current population taking the test and you've got two offers on hand. One pays $ 180,000 per year with an annual increment raise of $ 20,000 while the other also pays the basic $ 180,000 per year with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. you have 30 seconds to decide Which one should you take if you're not actually a schmuck deep down? -- modified at 17:31 Tuesday 16th January, 2007 Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr. JumpyForum:CP Message board | Universal DBA | Ajax Rating | ExplorerTree | | Globalization in 20 minutesWeb based project tracking -- modified at 19:34 Tuesday 16th January, 2007

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                                How about neither of them? Being so "brilliant", I can get a higher paying job, if that's what's really important. However, if I'm not "actuall a shmuck deep down", then maybe I don't care about the money, so long as I'm doing well enough and living in a place that I like. Perhaps I'll be a university professor doing research for far less than 180,000.

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                                • R Raj Lal

                                  Now assume you're so brilliant that you get job offers usually reserved for the Mensa guys which is the 98th percentile of the current population taking the test and you've got two offers on hand. One pays $ 180,000 per year with an annual increment raise of $ 20,000 while the other also pays the basic $ 180,000 per year with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. you have 30 seconds to decide Which one should you take if you're not actually a schmuck deep down? -- modified at 17:31 Tuesday 16th January, 2007 Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr. JumpyForum:CP Message board | Universal DBA | Ajax Rating | ExplorerTree | | Globalization in 20 minutesWeb based project tracking -- modified at 19:34 Tuesday 16th January, 2007

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                                  Take them both. Did I just write that? :doh: Take both of them.

                                  Todd Smith

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                                  • R Raj Lal

                                    Now assume you're so brilliant that you get job offers usually reserved for the Mensa guys which is the 98th percentile of the current population taking the test and you've got two offers on hand. One pays $ 180,000 per year with an annual increment raise of $ 20,000 while the other also pays the basic $ 180,000 per year with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. you have 30 seconds to decide Which one should you take if you're not actually a schmuck deep down? -- modified at 17:31 Tuesday 16th January, 2007 Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr. JumpyForum:CP Message board | Universal DBA | Ajax Rating | ExplorerTree | | Globalization in 20 minutesWeb based project tracking -- modified at 19:34 Tuesday 16th January, 2007

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                                    Are you making a statement of some kind here? I fail to see the "puzzle" aspect of this.

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                                      Are you making a statement of some kind here? I fail to see the "puzzle" aspect of this.

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                                      Its a very simple objective question , and in a way its a real puzzle because, a lot of companies that trick you into a scam like that. you need to think hard before choosing your answer

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                                        Its a very simple objective question , and in a way its a real puzzle because, a lot of companies that trick you into a scam like that. you need to think hard before choosing your answer

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                                        Well I must be missing something here; clearly the first choice pays the most money over the long term, however the second choice pays the most money over the first 12 month period which could be a factor if you do not remain employed for the first full year. No puzzle there at all that I can see.

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                                          Well I must be missing something here; clearly the first choice pays the most money over the long term, however the second choice pays the most money over the first 12 month period which could be a factor if you do not remain employed for the first full year. No puzzle there at all that I can see.

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                                          I'm sure it's meant to be a serious puzzle but it still doesn't make sense to me. Faulty reasoning? :confused: http://www.cut-the-knot.org/arithmetic/Kline-Loyd.shtml[^] Perhaps Quartz could explain in his own words.:suss:

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