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  • B Brad Bruce

    Microsoft has an installer. It is integrated with W2000 and works with the rest. You might want to at least look at it before you jump in with another product.

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    The instller you talk about must be the Windows Installer, yes? In which case you'll still need a program to write the insatllation 'scripts' from you. Both InstallShield and Wise sell programs that work with Windows Installer. I have used both, and would recommened InstallShields's "InstallShield for Windows Installer" (ISWI) as it allows you to do just about anything you'd need to, and you can extend the standard actions with custom ones written in InstallScript - which is very powerful in it's own right. Wise for Windows Installer (WWI) is Wise's product, and again it allows you to do basically what you want with the Windows Installer service, but in my opinion it is not as good as IS's counterpart. ISWI also has the advantage of being made by InstallShield, and about 80% of the programs instlled over the last few years have started with the 'Please wait whilst InstallSheid starts the setup' message, which customers will instantly recognise, and feel 'at home' with. WWI, it can be argued, has the benefit of being made by Wise (really:)), and there a few comercial programs using it nowadays, but mostly shareware or free projects use it (from my expeience). Or, if you don't want ot use either, get the lastest Platform SDK documentation, which includes a huge section on the Windows Installer API, and write your own! If you are looking to get Windos 2000 certification you'll need to produce a setup that uses the Windows Installer service. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxe-software.co.uk P.S. I do not in any way work for InstallShield.

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      The instller you talk about must be the Windows Installer, yes? In which case you'll still need a program to write the insatllation 'scripts' from you. Both InstallShield and Wise sell programs that work with Windows Installer. I have used both, and would recommened InstallShields's "InstallShield for Windows Installer" (ISWI) as it allows you to do just about anything you'd need to, and you can extend the standard actions with custom ones written in InstallScript - which is very powerful in it's own right. Wise for Windows Installer (WWI) is Wise's product, and again it allows you to do basically what you want with the Windows Installer service, but in my opinion it is not as good as IS's counterpart. ISWI also has the advantage of being made by InstallShield, and about 80% of the programs instlled over the last few years have started with the 'Please wait whilst InstallSheid starts the setup' message, which customers will instantly recognise, and feel 'at home' with. WWI, it can be argued, has the benefit of being made by Wise (really:)), and there a few comercial programs using it nowadays, but mostly shareware or free projects use it (from my expeience). Or, if you don't want ot use either, get the lastest Platform SDK documentation, which includes a huge section on the Windows Installer API, and write your own! If you are looking to get Windos 2000 certification you'll need to produce a setup that uses the Windows Installer service. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxe-software.co.uk P.S. I do not in any way work for InstallShield.

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      Lost User
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      Your check's in the mail David <wink> InstallShield Marketing & Kickbacks Team

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        Your check's in the mail David <wink> InstallShield Marketing & Kickbacks Team

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        :) David Wulff dwulff@battleaxe-software.co.uk

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          Could anyone advise me which is better? Or is there another good solution for an installation package? Regards, Wanderley

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          Alternative
          InstallMaker
          Real easy to use , It's free, (as a legit unregistered user) It compresses files Handles ocx's' Builds Uninstaller Does the reg stuff, And it workz etc Regardz Colin Davies

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          • D David Wulff

            The instller you talk about must be the Windows Installer, yes? In which case you'll still need a program to write the insatllation 'scripts' from you. Both InstallShield and Wise sell programs that work with Windows Installer. I have used both, and would recommened InstallShields's "InstallShield for Windows Installer" (ISWI) as it allows you to do just about anything you'd need to, and you can extend the standard actions with custom ones written in InstallScript - which is very powerful in it's own right. Wise for Windows Installer (WWI) is Wise's product, and again it allows you to do basically what you want with the Windows Installer service, but in my opinion it is not as good as IS's counterpart. ISWI also has the advantage of being made by InstallShield, and about 80% of the programs instlled over the last few years have started with the 'Please wait whilst InstallSheid starts the setup' message, which customers will instantly recognise, and feel 'at home' with. WWI, it can be argued, has the benefit of being made by Wise (really:)), and there a few comercial programs using it nowadays, but mostly shareware or free projects use it (from my expeience). Or, if you don't want ot use either, get the lastest Platform SDK documentation, which includes a huge section on the Windows Installer API, and write your own! If you are looking to get Windos 2000 certification you'll need to produce a setup that uses the Windows Installer service. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxe-software.co.uk P.S. I do not in any way work for InstallShield.

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            Brad Bruce
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            Why pay for a 3rd party setup program when Microsoft provides one for free:confused: http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/downloads/vsi11/default.asp

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            • W Wanderley M

              Could anyone advise me which is better? Or is there another good solution for an installation package? Regards, Wanderley

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              Lost User
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              Have tried many, and this one is my favorite: http://www.qsc.co.uk/gpi/gpinstall.htm

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              • B Brad Bruce

                Why pay for a 3rd party setup program when Microsoft provides one for free:confused: http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/downloads/vsi11/default.asp

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                Bill Gates 0
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                That's providing you want to use it of course :). It is very cludgy and not as easy to use as the others (I've only used Install for windows installer). Billy Boy

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                • W Wanderley M

                  Could anyone advise me which is better? Or is there another good solution for an installation package? Regards, Wanderley

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                  Thanks everybody for the tips - I'll try all of that. Regards, wmm

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                  • B Brad Bruce

                    Why pay for a 3rd party setup program when Microsoft provides one for free:confused: http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/downloads/vsi11/default.asp

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                    David Wulff
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                    Oops :-0. I thought you were taling about the Windows Installer service itself, rather than the VSI. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxe-software.co.uk

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                    • W Wanderley M

                      Could anyone advise me which is better? Or is there another good solution for an installation package? Regards, Wanderley

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                      Christian Graus
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                      We tried both and went with Setup Factory on the basis that it does everything we need ( check for IE5/DX6 and launch web link if not there, install, setup shortcuts, &tc ), is easier to use and costs 1/4 of the two you mention. Christian The content of this post is not necessarily the opinion of my yadda yadda yadda. To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion.

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                      • C ColinDavies

                        Alternative
                        InstallMaker
                        Real easy to use , It's free, (as a legit unregistered user) It compresses files Handles ocx's' Builds Uninstaller Does the reg stuff, And it workz etc Regardz Colin Davies

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                        Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                        I've been using InstallMaker for around a year or so, and have had absolutely no problems with it. I think it's kind of telling that I can knock out an installer with it in around 5 minutes, whereas my company spends a fortune debugging InstallShield scripts.... That said, the only thing missing is some basic scripting support, and the ability to launch other installers. Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
                        (andy.metcalfe@lineone.net)
                        http://www.resorg.co.uk

                        "I used to be a medieval re-enactor, but I'm (nearly) alright now...

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