Source Version Control
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Another vote for subversion. Don't bother trying to integrate it into VS--use Tortoise SVN to integrate into Windows Explorer.
David Veeneman www.veeneman.com
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NOT CVS. One of the biggest piles of crap I've ever used.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
We had CVS shoved down our throats because that is what our offshore developers were using, and we needed to integrate with what they were doing for us. I guess it was seen as the path of least resistance by those on high for us to change rather than getting the offshore guys to change. I must admit, it is possible to do a lot more in CVS that what were were using before (VSS :sigh:), but it is a bas**rd to learn. I think those folks went out of their way to make it complicated. Cheers,
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Just my opinion but, VS integration is overrated. Esp with quality tools like Subversion. Many end up just using the VS forced view and subset of the tool rather than using the tool as it was meant to be used.
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Chris Austin wrote:
Just my opinion but, VS integration is overrated.
I disagree. Without (usable) VS integration, you'll never get a VS-based team to fully adopt it. And that's not just for source control, that's anything that needs to be an integral part of the development process. If you work by yourself or on a small team of uebergeeks, more power to ya! But if you work in a corporate environment where half the team is just there to get a paycheck, you're not going to get them to use a tool properly unless using it is easier than not using it.
Grim
(aka Toby)
MCDBA, MCSD, MCP+SB
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We had CVS shoved down our throats because that is what our offshore developers were using, and we needed to integrate with what they were doing for us. I guess it was seen as the path of least resistance by those on high for us to change rather than getting the offshore guys to change. I must admit, it is possible to do a lot more in CVS that what were were using before (VSS :sigh:), but it is a bas**rd to learn. I think those folks went out of their way to make it complicated. Cheers,
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It's a *nix tool. It was designed by CLI gods to be used by other CLI gods. GUI users can try and figure it out once to write a wrapper or suffer. The CLI gods couldn't care less.
-- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.
dan neely wrote:
It's a *nix tool. It was designed by CLI gods to be used by other CLI gods. GUI users can try and figure it out once to write a wrapper or suffer. The CLI gods couldn't care less.
Yeah. WinCVS (which we use as the GUI front end) was designed by someone on something, I think. It is one of the strangest, least intuitive UIs that I have ever seen.:mad: Cheers,
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Chris Austin wrote:
Just my opinion but, VS integration is overrated.
I disagree. Without (usable) VS integration, you'll never get a VS-based team to fully adopt it. And that's not just for source control, that's anything that needs to be an integral part of the development process. If you work by yourself or on a small team of uebergeeks, more power to ya! But if you work in a corporate environment where half the team is just there to get a paycheck, you're not going to get them to use a tool properly unless using it is easier than not using it.
Grim
(aka Toby)
MCDBA, MCSD, MCP+SB
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Like I said it is just my opinion. :) I've worked in many different environments from large corporate to small team and most what you say bodes true. But, I think it is the wrong way to go. But, I've too been guilty of the 'it needs to be just like MS' syndrome. Cheers.
My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
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See my reply in the same level as yours. Go read it then get AnkhSVN: http://ankhsvn.tigris.org/[^] I have used it with VS 2005 and found it to be worthy of recommendation. It's a nice little add-in.
http://www.pushok.com/soft_short_info.php[^] Push OK have VS.net plugins for CVS and SVN. I have used CVS plugin at our company for more than year and it works great . Cost is $24 per user.
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Like I said it is just my opinion. :) I've worked in many different environments from large corporate to small team and most what you say bodes true. But, I think it is the wrong way to go. But, I've too been guilty of the 'it needs to be just like MS' syndrome. Cheers.
My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
Chris Austin wrote:
I think it is the wrong way to go.
I agree, but I've been fighting against the "I don't care" crowd at work for quite a while now, and all I really have to show for it is high blood pressure. And source control is just too important to let it be ignored because somebody can't be bothered to open a command prompt.
Grim
(aka Toby)
MCDBA, MCSD, MCP+SB
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Chris Austin wrote:
I think it is the wrong way to go.
I agree, but I've been fighting against the "I don't care" crowd at work for quite a while now, and all I really have to show for it is high blood pressure. And source control is just too important to let it be ignored because somebody can't be bothered to open a command prompt.
Grim
(aka Toby)
MCDBA, MCSD, MCP+SB
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Grimolfr wrote:
"I don't care" crowd at work for quite a while now
As an employee that was me for some while. Now that I run my own business......well, it is still may be me :laugh:
My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
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If you have small dev team, the free version of perforce is very nice. I use it at home and at work. Integrates nicely with visual studio and mac x-code. There are nice winOS and macOS clients too. perforce downloads