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    An interesting quote from this BBC article[^] in reference to the whole BB Is it Racism or not nonsense; "there is no level of toleration in this country for anything which, rightly or wrongly, is perceived to be racist" [rant] What a load of crap, and no wonder this country has gone to the dogs under Blair et al. Basically, even if an act is perceived wrongly as discriminatory, (in that it is not discriminatory but some idiot has chosen to call it so), the act shouldn't be tolerated, suggesting that the perpertrator should be villified. Well I say BOLLOCKS! And this isn't in defence of the morons on that show being abusive probably because of jealousy, its the fact that that statement implies anyone should be villified for anything they say if any one other person doesn't like it. Well, there was me thinking this was a democracy and free country - I just fecking hate politicians trying to score cheap political points without using at least some of the intelligence they must surely have to proof read what they're saying. What a load of shite! [/rant]

    Rhys Thought for the day: Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that, according to the texts, a lone amateur built the Ark and a large group of professionals built the Titanic.

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      An interesting quote from this BBC article[^] in reference to the whole BB Is it Racism or not nonsense; "there is no level of toleration in this country for anything which, rightly or wrongly, is perceived to be racist" [rant] What a load of crap, and no wonder this country has gone to the dogs under Blair et al. Basically, even if an act is perceived wrongly as discriminatory, (in that it is not discriminatory but some idiot has chosen to call it so), the act shouldn't be tolerated, suggesting that the perpertrator should be villified. Well I say BOLLOCKS! And this isn't in defence of the morons on that show being abusive probably because of jealousy, its the fact that that statement implies anyone should be villified for anything they say if any one other person doesn't like it. Well, there was me thinking this was a democracy and free country - I just fecking hate politicians trying to score cheap political points without using at least some of the intelligence they must surely have to proof read what they're saying. What a load of shite! [/rant]

      Rhys Thought for the day: Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that, according to the texts, a lone amateur built the Ark and a large group of professionals built the Titanic.

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      I see the problem as political correctness overwhelming common sense to the point where democracy is giving way to tyranny. This is no longer a free country by any stretch of the imagination: it is run by left-wing human rights junkies who are right even when they are wrong and ordinary citizens are here to provide the taxes which allow them to strengthen their base of power whilst having lost the ability to express their own views. I don't condone racism or bullying in any form but I should be allowed to express an articulate view even if it is at odds with yours. 2007 == 1984 And if you think Blair is bad for us wait till Brown gets his hands on the reins of power. Oh big brother...

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        I see the problem as political correctness overwhelming common sense to the point where democracy is giving way to tyranny. This is no longer a free country by any stretch of the imagination: it is run by left-wing human rights junkies who are right even when they are wrong and ordinary citizens are here to provide the taxes which allow them to strengthen their base of power whilst having lost the ability to express their own views. I don't condone racism or bullying in any form but I should be allowed to express an articulate view even if it is at odds with yours. 2007 == 1984 And if you think Blair is bad for us wait till Brown gets his hands on the reins of power. Oh big brother...

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        digital man wrote:

        And if you think Blair is bad for us wait till Brown gets his hands on the reins of power.

        It's actually one of the things that has made us seriously consider moving away, (Canada, Australia or NZ), which is sad as I'm tremendously proud of my Welsh heritage, (well someone has to be :-) ).

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        I should be allowed to express an articulate view even if it is at odds with yours.

        Absolutely, and feel free to :-D

        Rhys Thought for the day: Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that, according to the texts, a lone amateur built the Ark and a large group of professionals built the Titanic.

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          An interesting quote from this BBC article[^] in reference to the whole BB Is it Racism or not nonsense; "there is no level of toleration in this country for anything which, rightly or wrongly, is perceived to be racist" [rant] What a load of crap, and no wonder this country has gone to the dogs under Blair et al. Basically, even if an act is perceived wrongly as discriminatory, (in that it is not discriminatory but some idiot has chosen to call it so), the act shouldn't be tolerated, suggesting that the perpertrator should be villified. Well I say BOLLOCKS! And this isn't in defence of the morons on that show being abusive probably because of jealousy, its the fact that that statement implies anyone should be villified for anything they say if any one other person doesn't like it. Well, there was me thinking this was a democracy and free country - I just fecking hate politicians trying to score cheap political points without using at least some of the intelligence they must surely have to proof read what they're saying. What a load of shite! [/rant]

          Rhys Thought for the day: Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that, according to the texts, a lone amateur built the Ark and a large group of professionals built the Titanic.

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          What a load of crap

          Amen to that, brother. What this is doing is showing up what a bunch of unsophisticated, uneducated morons we now have as so-called 'celebrities' in this country. I'm proud to say that I'd only heard of a couple of the inmates, most are tabloid-filling nobodies without a braincell between them.

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            An interesting quote from this BBC article[^] in reference to the whole BB Is it Racism or not nonsense; "there is no level of toleration in this country for anything which, rightly or wrongly, is perceived to be racist" [rant] What a load of crap, and no wonder this country has gone to the dogs under Blair et al. Basically, even if an act is perceived wrongly as discriminatory, (in that it is not discriminatory but some idiot has chosen to call it so), the act shouldn't be tolerated, suggesting that the perpertrator should be villified. Well I say BOLLOCKS! And this isn't in defence of the morons on that show being abusive probably because of jealousy, its the fact that that statement implies anyone should be villified for anything they say if any one other person doesn't like it. Well, there was me thinking this was a democracy and free country - I just fecking hate politicians trying to score cheap political points without using at least some of the intelligence they must surely have to proof read what they're saying. What a load of shite! [/rant]

            Rhys Thought for the day: Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that, according to the texts, a lone amateur built the Ark and a large group of professionals built the Titanic.

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            I don't watch BB. But what got me was the fuss that one of the morons could not pronounce her name correctly, this was a GROSS insult and RACIST allegedly. Well most English people can't pronounce my Christian name, lets face it the English are not the best nation at speaking languages other that English! So I don't consider that a racist slur, it is just that most people can't pronounce it, after all why why should I expect anyone to be able to, unless they are Polish? Recently my mother was in hospital, she was asked which nurse administered her drugs, she said 'it was the fat black nurse'. The nurses was horrified by this ratial slur, but as my mother said to her how do you describe me? Don't you call me the elderly Polish lady? I think PC is getting stupid, I am sure the black nurse would not object to be called black, she might object to being called fat though! It is just the white liberals that complain IMHO


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              I don't watch BB. But what got me was the fuss that one of the morons could not pronounce her name correctly, this was a GROSS insult and RACIST allegedly. Well most English people can't pronounce my Christian name, lets face it the English are not the best nation at speaking languages other that English! So I don't consider that a racist slur, it is just that most people can't pronounce it, after all why why should I expect anyone to be able to, unless they are Polish? Recently my mother was in hospital, she was asked which nurse administered her drugs, she said 'it was the fat black nurse'. The nurses was horrified by this ratial slur, but as my mother said to her how do you describe me? Don't you call me the elderly Polish lady? I think PC is getting stupid, I am sure the black nurse would not object to be called black, she might object to being called fat though! It is just the white liberals that complain IMHO


              "Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it." - Ellen Goodman

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              i think freedom of expression is fine,but as far as the big brother crap goes,it is utterly unacceptable.i havent seen it,but if al the jeers have been the way the newspapers are reporting,it is nothing but pure,unadulterated racism.

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                i think freedom of expression is fine,but as far as the big brother crap goes,it is utterly unacceptable.i havent seen it,but if al the jeers have been the way the newspapers are reporting,it is nothing but pure,unadulterated racism.

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                the.bombardier wrote:

                but if al the jeers have been the way the newspapers are reporting,it is nothing but pure,unadulterated racism.

                I have been watching it, ( :~ ), and IMHO its nothing like the way the papers are reporting it, its just been an escalating group thug mentality. There are four young(ish) women in there and one sticks out because shes not as thick as pick shit and has the ability to communicate in an eloquent manner. The treatment of Shilpa Shetty was going on before any 'racial' context entered the terms of abuse. The simple fact is that she is more intelligent, better spoken and with a grasp of vocabularly that leaves the three female stooges in all of this flummoxed because they simply don't seem to have the ability to understand words of greater than one syllable, or pretty much the English language when coloquial terminology isn't used. As far as i can see Shilpa Shetty has simply persistently refused to 'join' the group of three girls in their, (pretty obnoxious and nasty), manner and behaviour. She doesn't want to be part of that group so now they're treating her as the outsider in the enclosed spacve they're in. I simply don't get the racism thing because if it's not alright to treat someone the way they have been then the content of the abusive language is irrelevant and why wasn't it an issue before? Its only an issue because using the 'racist' card in the public eye generates sensationalist publicity when calling it 'bullying' would not, and no one would have paid any attention if the press had jumped up and down about 'bullying'.

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                  i think freedom of expression is fine,but as far as the big brother crap goes,it is utterly unacceptable.i havent seen it,but if al the jeers have been the way the newspapers are reporting,it is nothing but pure,unadulterated racism.

                  ik pair past mein,te dooka pair future mein.tabhi to aaj pe moot rahe hain.

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                  the.bombardier wrote:

                  i havent seen it,but if al the jeers have been the way the newspapers are reporting,it is nothing but pure,unadulterated racism

                  A wonderfully enlightened response. :rolleyes: I also haven't seen it (I wouldn't take time out of shitting to watch Big Brother) but it is almost 100% guaranteed not to be anything close to how the newspapers are reporting. Especially not the newspapers in India whom I am to understand are reporting this as some sort of remotely significant story? Having heard about the other people involved (I don't know who the Indian woman is) I would bet my life savings they are just common ignorant tarts. Most of the people in that TV programme couldn't even spell 'race', let alone 'racism'. This Indian woman was deliberately put into the programme because she is better than them in almost every way, and the producers knew that would give them a stir. Don't give Channel 4 the satisfaction of making this into a controversy that will earn them millions of dollars. If you do, the next series will put black, gay Jews and Nazis together just to get a stir. IIRC they have already carefully selected mentally ill/retarded people with conflicting problems in previous series, so it will happen if you let it continue.


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                    An interesting quote from this BBC article[^] in reference to the whole BB Is it Racism or not nonsense; "there is no level of toleration in this country for anything which, rightly or wrongly, is perceived to be racist" [rant] What a load of crap, and no wonder this country has gone to the dogs under Blair et al. Basically, even if an act is perceived wrongly as discriminatory, (in that it is not discriminatory but some idiot has chosen to call it so), the act shouldn't be tolerated, suggesting that the perpertrator should be villified. Well I say BOLLOCKS! And this isn't in defence of the morons on that show being abusive probably because of jealousy, its the fact that that statement implies anyone should be villified for anything they say if any one other person doesn't like it. Well, there was me thinking this was a democracy and free country - I just fecking hate politicians trying to score cheap political points without using at least some of the intelligence they must surely have to proof read what they're saying. What a load of shite! [/rant]

                    Rhys Thought for the day: Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that, according to the texts, a lone amateur built the Ark and a large group of professionals built the Titanic.

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                    I don't understand what the hell you are complaining about. The attitude of 'racism as anything I say it is as long as it helps me politically' has become so pervasive in our society that it has, in fact, become a new kind of scarlet letter. Two thirds of the more left leaning posters on this very forum use it virtually every day as a counter to any thing they disagree with politically. As far as they are concerned, it seems, the only possible reason for anyone disagreeing with a lefty is racism. The left has turned what was once an important cultural issue to resolve (and did resolve) into an unending moral crusade to reshape human civilization. It cripples our ability to contend with any threat if that threat is promulgated by non-European races and cultures. It is a much bigger problem than some silly television show, it is a knife aimed at the very heart of western civilization (the best civilization, BTW)

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                      An interesting quote from this BBC article[^] in reference to the whole BB Is it Racism or not nonsense; "there is no level of toleration in this country for anything which, rightly or wrongly, is perceived to be racist" [rant] What a load of crap, and no wonder this country has gone to the dogs under Blair et al. Basically, even if an act is perceived wrongly as discriminatory, (in that it is not discriminatory but some idiot has chosen to call it so), the act shouldn't be tolerated, suggesting that the perpertrator should be villified. Well I say BOLLOCKS! And this isn't in defence of the morons on that show being abusive probably because of jealousy, its the fact that that statement implies anyone should be villified for anything they say if any one other person doesn't like it. Well, there was me thinking this was a democracy and free country - I just fecking hate politicians trying to score cheap political points without using at least some of the intelligence they must surely have to proof read what they're saying. What a load of shite! [/rant]

                      Rhys Thought for the day: Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that, according to the texts, a lone amateur built the Ark and a large group of professionals built the Titanic.

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                      I just think it's funny watching 3 total morons trying to pick on someone who is so far above them in terms of style, class and intelligence that all they can do is rant and rave to no effect becoming more obnoxious and self destructive as they go. I was in fits of laughter when one of them was saying all her friends would have thought she was going to go for Shilpa as I was reading yesterday that apparently she is a black belt. As for racism I don't think it is racist it is just three not very talented people who through chance have become famous trying to get the better of someone who has genuime talent, style and grace and refuses to lower herself to their level.

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                        An interesting quote from this BBC article[^] in reference to the whole BB Is it Racism or not nonsense; "there is no level of toleration in this country for anything which, rightly or wrongly, is perceived to be racist" [rant] What a load of crap, and no wonder this country has gone to the dogs under Blair et al. Basically, even if an act is perceived wrongly as discriminatory, (in that it is not discriminatory but some idiot has chosen to call it so), the act shouldn't be tolerated, suggesting that the perpertrator should be villified. Well I say BOLLOCKS! And this isn't in defence of the morons on that show being abusive probably because of jealousy, its the fact that that statement implies anyone should be villified for anything they say if any one other person doesn't like it. Well, there was me thinking this was a democracy and free country - I just fecking hate politicians trying to score cheap political points without using at least some of the intelligence they must surely have to proof read what they're saying. What a load of shite! [/rant]

                        Rhys Thought for the day: Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that, according to the texts, a lone amateur built the Ark and a large group of professionals built the Titanic.

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                        Welcome to the politically correct world where you can't judge ANYONE. I agree, it's insane.

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                          I see the problem as political correctness overwhelming common sense to the point where democracy is giving way to tyranny. This is no longer a free country by any stretch of the imagination: it is run by left-wing human rights junkies who are right even when they are wrong and ordinary citizens are here to provide the taxes which allow them to strengthen their base of power whilst having lost the ability to express their own views. I don't condone racism or bullying in any form but I should be allowed to express an articulate view even if it is at odds with yours. 2007 == 1984 And if you think Blair is bad for us wait till Brown gets his hands on the reins of power. Oh big brother...

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                          Here, in the U.S., you have the freedom of speech........unless someone may possibly interpret the statement as derogatory to a type of people (even though the intent was never there).

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                            I don't watch BB. But what got me was the fuss that one of the morons could not pronounce her name correctly, this was a GROSS insult and RACIST allegedly. Well most English people can't pronounce my Christian name, lets face it the English are not the best nation at speaking languages other that English! So I don't consider that a racist slur, it is just that most people can't pronounce it, after all why why should I expect anyone to be able to, unless they are Polish? Recently my mother was in hospital, she was asked which nurse administered her drugs, she said 'it was the fat black nurse'. The nurses was horrified by this ratial slur, but as my mother said to her how do you describe me? Don't you call me the elderly Polish lady? I think PC is getting stupid, I am sure the black nurse would not object to be called black, she might object to being called fat though! It is just the white liberals that complain IMHO


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                            Actually, one of my favorites is the use of "African American" in the news. Who said the person was American? Where is the proof? There are so many people in this country from other countries and don't consider themselves Americans, there is no way to prove they are an American citizen. If you're trying to be PC to the point you may be prejudicing public opinion, that is racism. Why not use "of African decent" or something like that?

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                              the.bombardier wrote:

                              i havent seen it,but if al the jeers have been the way the newspapers are reporting,it is nothing but pure,unadulterated racism

                              A wonderfully enlightened response. :rolleyes: I also haven't seen it (I wouldn't take time out of shitting to watch Big Brother) but it is almost 100% guaranteed not to be anything close to how the newspapers are reporting. Especially not the newspapers in India whom I am to understand are reporting this as some sort of remotely significant story? Having heard about the other people involved (I don't know who the Indian woman is) I would bet my life savings they are just common ignorant tarts. Most of the people in that TV programme couldn't even spell 'race', let alone 'racism'. This Indian woman was deliberately put into the programme because she is better than them in almost every way, and the producers knew that would give them a stir. Don't give Channel 4 the satisfaction of making this into a controversy that will earn them millions of dollars. If you do, the next series will put black, gay Jews and Nazis together just to get a stir. IIRC they have already carefully selected mentally ill/retarded people with conflicting problems in previous series, so it will happen if you let it continue.


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                              David Wulff wrote:

                              but it is almost 100% guaranteed not to be anything close to how the newspapers are reporting. Especially not the newspapers in India whom I am to understand are reporting this as some sort of remotely significant story?

                              two quotes that i kind of remember from the newspapers: 1.shilpa makes chicken for the housemates.the response she gets from jade goody:"the chicken is overcooked,no wonder indians r thin and sickly" 2.jack tweed asks shilpa to "pick out the chicken bones from the toilet with ur teeth" in what sort of a country is that not racist? if those two comments are true,then i would have to say:OF COURSE the indian newspapers are reporting this as if it is some significant story. yes it is significant because when indians grow up,v c so much injustice and inequity around us that v start feeling that v must reach the west.the so called land of freedom and equality.events like these dispel those myths. it makes me feel,im fine where i am..maybe if i can contribute to my country's growth,i wont have to face that..

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                                I don't understand what the hell you are complaining about. The attitude of 'racism as anything I say it is as long as it helps me politically' has become so pervasive in our society that it has, in fact, become a new kind of scarlet letter. Two thirds of the more left leaning posters on this very forum use it virtually every day as a counter to any thing they disagree with politically. As far as they are concerned, it seems, the only possible reason for anyone disagreeing with a lefty is racism. The left has turned what was once an important cultural issue to resolve (and did resolve) into an unending moral crusade to reshape human civilization. It cripples our ability to contend with any threat if that threat is promulgated by non-European races and cultures. It is a much bigger problem than some silly television show, it is a knife aimed at the very heart of western civilization (the best civilization, BTW)

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                                Yep. I'm called a racist here almost on a daily basis. :) What's really funny is when I'm called a racist when I make fun of certain fanatical religious groups whose origins are in the middle east and whose members wear bed sheets on their heads. I guess the bed sheet thing makes a certain amount of sense because it serves to keep the sand out of their hair, and can double as an impromptu tent. I wonder if the bed sheet manufacturers there run commercials on TV that resemble the light beer commercials here in the U.S.... Off-screen announcer: "Abdul's Head Sheets, for just 24 camel teeth and a shiney rock!" First on-screen camel jockie: "It's a head sheet!" Second on-screen camel jockie: "It's a handy tent!" First on-screen camel jockie: "It's a head sheet!" Second on-screen camel jockie: "It's a handy tent!" First on-screen camel jockie: "It's a head sheet!" Second on-screen camel jockie: "It's a handy tent!" Woman approaches men: "No, you silly men! It's both!" First and second on-screen camel jockies: "You are just a woman and your opinion is NOT VALUED!!!" Fade to black as first and second on-screen camel jockies beat woman relentlessly...

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                                  David Wulff wrote:

                                  but it is almost 100% guaranteed not to be anything close to how the newspapers are reporting. Especially not the newspapers in India whom I am to understand are reporting this as some sort of remotely significant story?

                                  two quotes that i kind of remember from the newspapers: 1.shilpa makes chicken for the housemates.the response she gets from jade goody:"the chicken is overcooked,no wonder indians r thin and sickly" 2.jack tweed asks shilpa to "pick out the chicken bones from the toilet with ur teeth" in what sort of a country is that not racist? if those two comments are true,then i would have to say:OF COURSE the indian newspapers are reporting this as if it is some significant story. yes it is significant because when indians grow up,v c so much injustice and inequity around us that v start feeling that v must reach the west.the so called land of freedom and equality.events like these dispel those myths. it makes me feel,im fine where i am..maybe if i can contribute to my country's growth,i wont have to face that..

                                  ik pair past mein,te dooja pair future mein.tabhi to aaj pe moot rahe hain.

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                                  Let me start by saying that I do not know who Shilpa is, or who Jack Tweed is. I only know of Jade Goody because she was on the news the last time she was on this 'fine' TV programme. The first quote is not racist at all. It is somewhat stupid to make it on public television, yes, but they are stupid people and it is a perfectly harmless comment to make. I have Indian friends who joke about how white I am, and how I should go to India to 'brown up a little bit'. Is that racist? Of course it isn't. It is poking fun at cultural differences and not intended to be malicious. Jade Goody is far too thick to be deliberately racist. The second quote is not racist either, it is plain old bullying. If Shilpa wasn't Indian, but still managed to cook a Chicken meal that is not tuned for western palates, I bet Mr. Tweed would have made exactly the same comment. The rush to label any little upset or injustice as an 'ism' (sexism, racism, etc) is completely out of hand. Take some responsibility for yourself goddamnit and stop trying to pile blame for everything onto someone else. Racism is all in the intent. You can be racist without saying anything obviously offensive. Your ending comment, trying to suggest that the west is teeming with racism is absurd -- your own country is one of the worse in the way its treats its own groups of people, and you are all the same race. P.S.: Please capitalise letters after a full stop, it is very hard to follow what you are saying. It looks like one big sentence.


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                                    Yep. I'm called a racist here almost on a daily basis. :) What's really funny is when I'm called a racist when I make fun of certain fanatical religious groups whose origins are in the middle east and whose members wear bed sheets on their heads. I guess the bed sheet thing makes a certain amount of sense because it serves to keep the sand out of their hair, and can double as an impromptu tent. I wonder if the bed sheet manufacturers there run commercials on TV that resemble the light beer commercials here in the U.S.... Off-screen announcer: "Abdul's Head Sheets, for just 24 camel teeth and a shiney rock!" First on-screen camel jockie: "It's a head sheet!" Second on-screen camel jockie: "It's a handy tent!" First on-screen camel jockie: "It's a head sheet!" Second on-screen camel jockie: "It's a handy tent!" First on-screen camel jockie: "It's a head sheet!" Second on-screen camel jockie: "It's a handy tent!" Woman approaches men: "No, you silly men! It's both!" First and second on-screen camel jockies: "You are just a woman and your opinion is NOT VALUED!!!" Fade to black as first and second on-screen camel jockies beat woman relentlessly...

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                                    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                    wear bed sheets on their heads

                                    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                    camel jockie

                                    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                    camel jockie

                                    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                    camel jockie

                                    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                    camel jockies beat woman relentlessly...

                                    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                    I'm called a racist here almost on a daily basis

                                    Can't say I'm suprised.

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                                      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                      wear bed sheets on their heads

                                      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                      camel jockie

                                      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                      camel jockie

                                      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                      camel jockie

                                      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                      camel jockies beat woman relentlessly...

                                      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                      I'm called a racist here almost on a daily basis

                                      Can't say I'm suprised.

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                                      How old are you again?

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                                        Yep. I'm called a racist here almost on a daily basis. :) What's really funny is when I'm called a racist when I make fun of certain fanatical religious groups whose origins are in the middle east and whose members wear bed sheets on their heads. I guess the bed sheet thing makes a certain amount of sense because it serves to keep the sand out of their hair, and can double as an impromptu tent. I wonder if the bed sheet manufacturers there run commercials on TV that resemble the light beer commercials here in the U.S.... Off-screen announcer: "Abdul's Head Sheets, for just 24 camel teeth and a shiney rock!" First on-screen camel jockie: "It's a head sheet!" Second on-screen camel jockie: "It's a handy tent!" First on-screen camel jockie: "It's a head sheet!" Second on-screen camel jockie: "It's a handy tent!" First on-screen camel jockie: "It's a head sheet!" Second on-screen camel jockie: "It's a handy tent!" Woman approaches men: "No, you silly men! It's both!" First and second on-screen camel jockies: "You are just a woman and your opinion is NOT VALUED!!!" Fade to black as first and second on-screen camel jockies beat woman relentlessly...

                                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                        "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                        I'm called a racist here almost on a daily basis.

                                        I knew it wouldn't be long before you got one of those comments. That is a perfect example of the problem. "Racism" has come to be viewed as the greatest single evil that humanity can engage in. And anything that in any way denegrates anyone other than white people or their culture is inherently racist. You cannot be critical of any other people or culture regardless of how perfectly loathsome they might be because that would be racist, and racism is worse than any other possible consideration. So, for exmaples, Muslims mudering thousands might be bad, but to in any way imply that such behavior might some how be assciated with endemic flaws in the culture of the middle east is a racist reaction to the violence, and is therfore worse and must be reacted to with more force and concern than the violence itself. It represents a thoroughly intellectually bankrupt strangle hold on western culture, and we have no hope of survival until we break out of the embrace by whatever means necessary.

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                                          Let me start by saying that I do not know who Shilpa is, or who Jack Tweed is. I only know of Jade Goody because she was on the news the last time she was on this 'fine' TV programme. The first quote is not racist at all. It is somewhat stupid to make it on public television, yes, but they are stupid people and it is a perfectly harmless comment to make. I have Indian friends who joke about how white I am, and how I should go to India to 'brown up a little bit'. Is that racist? Of course it isn't. It is poking fun at cultural differences and not intended to be malicious. Jade Goody is far too thick to be deliberately racist. The second quote is not racist either, it is plain old bullying. If Shilpa wasn't Indian, but still managed to cook a Chicken meal that is not tuned for western palates, I bet Mr. Tweed would have made exactly the same comment. The rush to label any little upset or injustice as an 'ism' (sexism, racism, etc) is completely out of hand. Take some responsibility for yourself goddamnit and stop trying to pile blame for everything onto someone else. Racism is all in the intent. You can be racist without saying anything obviously offensive. Your ending comment, trying to suggest that the west is teeming with racism is absurd -- your own country is one of the worse in the way its treats its own groups of people, and you are all the same race. P.S.: Please capitalise letters after a full stop, it is very hard to follow what you are saying. It looks like one big sentence.


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                                          I made a comment yesterday about people jumping on the bandwagon...

                                          The tigress is here :-D

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