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  • R Ryan Roberts

    Do you have any use metrics you can use as evidence? He may well be responding to customer requests.

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    Tom Welch
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    I can come up with some metrics and maybe that will help. Unfortunately, logical reasoning hasn't won the day. Somehow standards and practices just can't compete with "some guy just called and didn't know blah blah blah"

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      UGH! :mad: WTH is wrong with management? We've had a public website running for 13 years. We have thousands of people using our site daily. And all of a sudden the corporate leaders (or maybe it's just the IT manager) has decided:

      • Links that lead to a page containing a link for visitors to send email must have an email icon link next to the other link. The email link will send the user directly to the email page.
      • People are too stupid to know what an email link is so we need a text link under the icon that says (email).
      • People are too stupid to click sortable column headings which are labeled with "click to sort" so we need to put large text on the page that reads more prominently.
      • People are too stupid to click on links in a listing to bring up details on an item in the list so we have to prominently display "click the item to see details" in text on the page.
      • Links on our site are dark blue. These need to be black text now. WTH? Hide all links? :confused:

      I swear I am going insane. I keep telling myself that it's just a job and I get paid to make whatever is asked for, but I can't shake the shame of fulfilling stupid requests. I envision our website eventually looking a mess. Every link will have the text "<-- click here" next to it. All link images will have the text "(click the picture)" under it. Every page with tabs will have 24pt bold red text saying "click the tabs to sort". :wtf: :doh:

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      Marc Clifton
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      Tom Welch wrote:

      I keep telling myself that it's just a job and I get paid to make whatever is asked for, but I can't shake the shame of fulfilling stupid requests.

      I've never succeeded at that. I need my work to be meaningful and satisfying. Marc

      Thyme In The Country

      People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
      There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
      People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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      • M Marc Clifton

        Tom Welch wrote:

        I keep telling myself that it's just a job and I get paid to make whatever is asked for, but I can't shake the shame of fulfilling stupid requests.

        I've never succeeded at that. I need my work to be meaningful and satisfying. Marc

        Thyme In The Country

        People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
        There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
        People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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        Shog9 0
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        Marc Clifton wrote:

        I need my work to be meaningful and satisfying.

        Ah, Marc, always the snob. Most days, i'm thankful to get one of the two. :rolleyes:

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        • T Tom Welch

          UGH! :mad: WTH is wrong with management? We've had a public website running for 13 years. We have thousands of people using our site daily. And all of a sudden the corporate leaders (or maybe it's just the IT manager) has decided:

          • Links that lead to a page containing a link for visitors to send email must have an email icon link next to the other link. The email link will send the user directly to the email page.
          • People are too stupid to know what an email link is so we need a text link under the icon that says (email).
          • People are too stupid to click sortable column headings which are labeled with "click to sort" so we need to put large text on the page that reads more prominently.
          • People are too stupid to click on links in a listing to bring up details on an item in the list so we have to prominently display "click the item to see details" in text on the page.
          • Links on our site are dark blue. These need to be black text now. WTH? Hide all links? :confused:

          I swear I am going insane. I keep telling myself that it's just a job and I get paid to make whatever is asked for, but I can't shake the shame of fulfilling stupid requests. I envision our website eventually looking a mess. Every link will have the text "<-- click here" next to it. All link images will have the text "(click the picture)" under it. Every page with tabs will have 24pt bold red text saying "click the tabs to sort". :wtf: :doh:

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          Christopher Duncan
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          As a techie, I share your frustration. However, you started many of your bullet points with the phrase "people are too stupid to..." and so, unintentionally, you have validated your management's thinking. Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. :)

          Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com

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          • S Simon Capewell

            Tom Welch wrote:

            Every link will have the text "<-- click here" next to it. All link images will have the text "(click the picture)" under it. Every page with tabs will have 24pt bold red text saying "click the tabs to sort".

            I like the idea. It sounds very 1996. Bung in a few of these animated gifs[^] while you're about it. Quality ;)

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            Dario Solera
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            Simon Capewell wrote:

            I like the idea. It sounds very 1996. Bung in a few of these animated gifs[^] while you're about it. Quality

            :wtf: :laugh:

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            • S Shog9 0

              Marc Clifton wrote:

              I need my work to be meaningful and satisfying.

              Ah, Marc, always the snob. Most days, i'm thankful to get one of the two. :rolleyes:

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              Marc Clifton
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              Shog9 wrote:

              Ah, Marc, always the snob. Most days, i'm thankful to get one of the two.

              Actually, I was going to write "or" instead of "and", but I decided to push the limits. :) Snob? Nah. Drop the 'n', and you'll be more be more accurate most likely. Marc

              Thyme In The Country

              People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
              There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
              People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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              • T Tom Welch

                I can come up with some metrics and maybe that will help. Unfortunately, logical reasoning hasn't won the day. Somehow standards and practices just can't compete with "some guy just called and didn't know blah blah blah"

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                Todd Smith
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                During a customer support call I once asked someone to double-click an icon and they responded "what do you mean double-click?" It can always be get worse :mad:

                Todd Smith

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                • T Tom Welch

                  UGH! :mad: WTH is wrong with management? We've had a public website running for 13 years. We have thousands of people using our site daily. And all of a sudden the corporate leaders (or maybe it's just the IT manager) has decided:

                  • Links that lead to a page containing a link for visitors to send email must have an email icon link next to the other link. The email link will send the user directly to the email page.
                  • People are too stupid to know what an email link is so we need a text link under the icon that says (email).
                  • People are too stupid to click sortable column headings which are labeled with "click to sort" so we need to put large text on the page that reads more prominently.
                  • People are too stupid to click on links in a listing to bring up details on an item in the list so we have to prominently display "click the item to see details" in text on the page.
                  • Links on our site are dark blue. These need to be black text now. WTH? Hide all links? :confused:

                  I swear I am going insane. I keep telling myself that it's just a job and I get paid to make whatever is asked for, but I can't shake the shame of fulfilling stupid requests. I envision our website eventually looking a mess. Every link will have the text "<-- click here" next to it. All link images will have the text "(click the picture)" under it. Every page with tabs will have 24pt bold red text saying "click the tabs to sort". :wtf: :doh:

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                  Joe Q
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                  Tom Welch wrote:

                  People are too stupid to know what an email link is so we need a text link under the icon that says (email).

                  Translation: Managment is to stupid...

                  Tom Welch wrote:

                  People are too stupid to click sortable column headings which are labeled with "click to sort" so we need to put large text on the page that reads more prominently.

                  Translation: Again, managment is to stupid...

                  Tom Welch wrote:

                  People are too stupid to click on links in a listing to bring up details on an item in the list so we have to prominently display "click the item to see details" in text on the page.

                  Translation: And again, managment is to stupid... Etc.

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                  • J Joe Q

                    Tom Welch wrote:

                    People are too stupid to know what an email link is so we need a text link under the icon that says (email).

                    Translation: Managment is to stupid...

                    Tom Welch wrote:

                    People are too stupid to click sortable column headings which are labeled with "click to sort" so we need to put large text on the page that reads more prominently.

                    Translation: Again, managment is to stupid...

                    Tom Welch wrote:

                    People are too stupid to click on links in a listing to bring up details on an item in the list so we have to prominently display "click the item to see details" in text on the page.

                    Translation: And again, managment is to stupid... Etc.

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                    Wjousts
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                    Joe Q wrote:

                    Managment is to stupid...

                    as programmers are to ....? Or did you mean Management is too stupid?

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      Shog9 wrote:

                      Ah, Marc, always the snob. Most days, i'm thankful to get one of the two.

                      Actually, I was going to write "or" instead of "and", but I decided to push the limits. :) Snob? Nah. Drop the 'n', and you'll be more be more accurate most likely. Marc

                      Thyme In The Country

                      People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                      There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                      People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                      David Stone
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                      Logical or includes logical and if you're not short circuiting. :rolleyes:

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                      • D David Stone

                        Logical or includes logical and if you're not short circuiting. :rolleyes:

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                        Marc Clifton
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                        David Stone wrote:

                        Logical or includes logical and if you're not short circuiting.

                        But logical and excludes logical or unless both conditions are true. ;P Marc

                        Thyme In The Country

                        People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                        There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                        People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                        • M Marc Clifton

                          David Stone wrote:

                          Logical or includes logical and if you're not short circuiting.

                          But logical and excludes logical or unless both conditions are true. ;P Marc

                          Thyme In The Country

                          People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                          There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                          People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                          David Stone
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                          Only if you're talking about exclusive or. ;P

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                          • T Tom Welch

                            UGH! :mad: WTH is wrong with management? We've had a public website running for 13 years. We have thousands of people using our site daily. And all of a sudden the corporate leaders (or maybe it's just the IT manager) has decided:

                            • Links that lead to a page containing a link for visitors to send email must have an email icon link next to the other link. The email link will send the user directly to the email page.
                            • People are too stupid to know what an email link is so we need a text link under the icon that says (email).
                            • People are too stupid to click sortable column headings which are labeled with "click to sort" so we need to put large text on the page that reads more prominently.
                            • People are too stupid to click on links in a listing to bring up details on an item in the list so we have to prominently display "click the item to see details" in text on the page.
                            • Links on our site are dark blue. These need to be black text now. WTH? Hide all links? :confused:

                            I swear I am going insane. I keep telling myself that it's just a job and I get paid to make whatever is asked for, but I can't shake the shame of fulfilling stupid requests. I envision our website eventually looking a mess. Every link will have the text "<-- click here" next to it. All link images will have the text "(click the picture)" under it. Every page with tabs will have 24pt bold red text saying "click the tabs to sort". :wtf: :doh:

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                            Michael Dunn
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                            That's a pretty common mistake for a non-UI person to make, thinking that if the UI has problems, the solution is to put more text on it instead of, you know, fixing the problems. I feel your pain.

                            --Mike-- Visual C++ MVP :cool: LINKS~! Ericahist | PimpFish | CP SearchBar v3.0 | C++ Forum FAQ Ford, what's this fish doing in my ear?

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