Gates on "Those Apple commercials"
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Yes, i really do have a problem with those Apple commercials so I found this piece entertaining: Finally, Vista Makes Its Debut. Now What?[^] "How about the implication that you need surgery to upgrade? Well, certainly we've done a better job letting you upgrade on the hardware than our competitors have done. You can choose to buy a new machine, or you can choose to do an upgrade. And I don't know why [Apple is] acting like it’s superior. I don't even get it. What are they trying to say? Does honesty matter in these things, or if you're really cool, that means you get to be a lying person whenever you feel like it? There's not even the slightest shred of truth to it." I think we need Jobs and Gates in the cage, gladiator style.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
I've never been into mac and I don't know a single person who owns one. It always stricks me as odd as most "TV Computer Users" in TV shows have a mac. Do Apple supply them free in buckets loads to popular TV show. If anyone want to give me a free mac to change my mind, feel free :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Grady Booch: I told Google to their face...what you need is some serious adult supervision. (2007 Turing lecture) http:\\www.frankkerrigan.com
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Yeah pot is getting a good street price at the moment.
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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But the good thing is, you don't need surgery to use it.:cool:
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I've never been into mac and I don't know a single person who owns one. It always stricks me as odd as most "TV Computer Users" in TV shows have a mac. Do Apple supply them free in buckets loads to popular TV show. If anyone want to give me a free mac to change my mind, feel free :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Grady Booch: I told Google to their face...what you need is some serious adult supervision. (2007 Turing lecture) http:\\www.frankkerrigan.com
Frank Kerrigan wrote:
Do Apple supply them free in buckets loads to popular TV show
This is paid advertising. Apple must be paying them to show their computer in such a way that the logo is visible. I now have a desktop that dual boots Ubuntu Linux and Windows XP. I have a Powerbook notebook that has Mac OS X Tiger. Now I need an evaluation copy of Vista Thomas
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Frank Kerrigan wrote:
Do Apple supply them free in buckets loads to popular TV show
This is paid advertising. Apple must be paying them to show their computer in such a way that the logo is visible. I now have a desktop that dual boots Ubuntu Linux and Windows XP. I have a Powerbook notebook that has Mac OS X Tiger. Now I need an evaluation copy of Vista Thomas
Thomas George wrote:
Now I need an evaluation copy of Vista
If you can manage to find someone with installation media, you can install an evaluation version of any edition simply by not entering the product key. All the editions are on all discs (i.e. the media is the same in all boxes) - only the product key identifies which edition you've bought and are entitled to use. That gives you a 30-day evaluation but you can reportedly extend this by running a command when the evaluation is about to expire, up to a total of 120 days IIRC. I don't think there's a downloadable evaluation yet, though.
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
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I've never been into mac and I don't know a single person who owns one. It always stricks me as odd as most "TV Computer Users" in TV shows have a mac. Do Apple supply them free in buckets loads to popular TV show. If anyone want to give me a free mac to change my mind, feel free :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Grady Booch: I told Google to their face...what you need is some serious adult supervision. (2007 Turing lecture) http:\\www.frankkerrigan.com
Hey, now you know someone who uses a Mac; me. I hope you feel the fullness that your life has now reached. ;)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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I've never been into mac and I don't know a single person who owns one. It always stricks me as odd as most "TV Computer Users" in TV shows have a mac. Do Apple supply them free in buckets loads to popular TV show. If anyone want to give me a free mac to change my mind, feel free :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Grady Booch: I told Google to their face...what you need is some serious adult supervision. (2007 Turing lecture) http:\\www.frankkerrigan.com
Frank Kerrigan wrote:
and I don't know a single person who owns one
Oh yes you do! (You just don't realise it ;))
Frank Kerrigan wrote:
It always stricks me as odd as most "TV Computer Users" in TV shows have a mac.
What would you want in your show? An ugly beige thing or a cool looking mac? Although: Smallville* watchers will have noticed the Luthers using Dells, with an XPS even making an appearance. * Have I just incriminated myself here?
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Frank Kerrigan wrote:
and I don't know a single person who owns one
Oh yes you do! (You just don't realise it ;))
Frank Kerrigan wrote:
It always stricks me as odd as most "TV Computer Users" in TV shows have a mac.
What would you want in your show? An ugly beige thing or a cool looking mac? Although: Smallville* watchers will have noticed the Luthers using Dells, with an XPS even making an appearance. * Have I just incriminated myself here?
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Have I just incriminated myself here?
No, you incriminated yourself by admitting that you long to see Bill Gates well-oiled and dressed in a leather halter, above. To paraphrase Paul, you Aussies are weird.:~
"...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
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Yes, i really do have a problem with those Apple commercials so I found this piece entertaining: Finally, Vista Makes Its Debut. Now What?[^] "How about the implication that you need surgery to upgrade? Well, certainly we've done a better job letting you upgrade on the hardware than our competitors have done. You can choose to buy a new machine, or you can choose to do an upgrade. And I don't know why [Apple is] acting like it’s superior. I don't even get it. What are they trying to say? Does honesty matter in these things, or if you're really cool, that means you get to be a lying person whenever you feel like it? There's not even the slightest shred of truth to it." I think we need Jobs and Gates in the cage, gladiator style.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
I think we need Jobs and Gates in the cage, gladiator style.
Mortal combaaat.
"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him, the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable an ignorable war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." - Albert Einstein Web - Blog - RSS - Math - LinkedIn - BM
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Yes, i really do have a problem with those Apple commercials so I found this piece entertaining: Finally, Vista Makes Its Debut. Now What?[^] "How about the implication that you need surgery to upgrade? Well, certainly we've done a better job letting you upgrade on the hardware than our competitors have done. You can choose to buy a new machine, or you can choose to do an upgrade. And I don't know why [Apple is] acting like it’s superior. I don't even get it. What are they trying to say? Does honesty matter in these things, or if you're really cool, that means you get to be a lying person whenever you feel like it? There's not even the slightest shred of truth to it." I think we need Jobs and Gates in the cage, gladiator style.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I've never been into mac and I don't know a single person who owns one. It always stricks me as odd as most "TV Computer Users" in TV shows have a mac. Do Apple supply them free in buckets loads to popular TV show. If anyone want to give me a free mac to change my mind, feel free :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Grady Booch: I told Google to their face...what you need is some serious adult supervision. (2007 Turing lecture) http:\\www.frankkerrigan.com
I hear it's because of the refresh rate or something, more compatible with the cameras.
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Hey, now you know someone who uses a Mac; me. I hope you feel the fullness that your life has now reached. ;)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Did you use a mac to type that message. If so well done !
Grady Booch: I told Google to their face...what you need is some serious adult supervision. (2007 Turing lecture) http:\\www.frankkerrigan.com
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Chris Maunder wrote:
I think we need Jobs and Gates in the cage, gladiator style.
Mortal combaaat.
"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him, the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable an ignorable war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." - Albert Einstein Web - Blog - RSS - Math - LinkedIn - BM
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Chris Maunder wrote: I think we need Jobs and Gates in the cage, gladiator style. Mortal combaaat.
More like "EGO COMBAT" Jobs: I invented the GUI BILL: Really ! I thought xerox did that and we just copied it. Jobs: I invent the Internet BILL: I'm going to buy it. Jobs: I invented MP3 players BILL: I invented the internet browser .... I'm going to get some flak for this :~
Grady Booch: I told Google to their face...what you need is some serious adult supervision. (2007 Turing lecture) http:\\www.frankkerrigan.com
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Did you use a mac to type that message. If so well done !
Grady Booch: I told Google to their face...what you need is some serious adult supervision. (2007 Turing lecture) http:\\www.frankkerrigan.com
I surely did!
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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Bill Gates said:
Well, certainly we've done a better job letting you upgrade on the hardware than our competitors have done.
Well, that's only true if you feel bound by the warranty. I've replaced RAM, hard drives and monitors (built-in) on my Macs...some companies also offer processors and video cards. Sure, the pool of compatible hardware is smaller, but that has nothing to do with Bill Gates' near-monopoly of the PC platform. Roswell
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CAThere's also the issue that Macs come with what you need. PCs need to be upgraded and Macs don't... isn't that the point of the commercial in the first place? What's easier, upgrading your hardware or not upgrading the hardware? Who cares how hard it is to upgrade the hardware when you don't need to.
"Quality Software since 1983!"
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There's also the issue that Macs come with what you need. PCs need to be upgraded and Macs don't... isn't that the point of the commercial in the first place? What's easier, upgrading your hardware or not upgrading the hardware? Who cares how hard it is to upgrade the hardware when you don't need to.
"Quality Software since 1983!"
http://www.smoothjazzy.com/ - see the "Programming" section for freeware tools and articles.If you think you can install the latest macOS on a machine that only met the specs for a 5 year old version I'd be interested to see how well it works. The only major problem component is the gfx card and that's because GDI was capable of working on 10+ year old hardware, which allowed the minimum spec hardware to remain appallingly low. Since macs don't have to compete on price they just don't have any genuine lowend hardware. frex the minimum spec iBook is an $1100 C2D, when you never sell cheap obsolescent hardware it's much easier to avoid falling behind the minimum spec before a system is worn out enough to need tossed.
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If you think you can install the latest macOS on a machine that only met the specs for a 5 year old version I'd be interested to see how well it works. The only major problem component is the gfx card and that's because GDI was capable of working on 10+ year old hardware, which allowed the minimum spec hardware to remain appallingly low. Since macs don't have to compete on price they just don't have any genuine lowend hardware. frex the minimum spec iBook is an $1100 C2D, when you never sell cheap obsolescent hardware it's much easier to avoid falling behind the minimum spec before a system is worn out enough to need tossed.
-- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.
Yes, you can. Mac OS X will run just fine on Macs 10 years old. It's not overdone, bloated, resource-hungry software... it's an operating system. That is, the software that lets you operate. Windows is trying to be the software that you do everything with. That's the problem with upgrading. You don't have to upgrade your hardware to run the latest Mac OS, because it is an Operating System, not a Everything System... it's the bare minimum required to run the computer, and everything else you want to do is provided by application softwares which will now run better because they aren't competing with a bloated OS for resources. That's oversimplifying a bit, but it's the crux of the issue. Do want the OS to do everything or do you want it to boot the machine and handle the basics? OS X runs fine on almost any Mac made after 1999 or so. I don't think it will run on the 68000-based Macs, but you have to draw the line somewhere. Windows Vista will not even run on older PCs... it doesn't even run very well on current PCs. Vista is too powerful... it's so much more than an operating system. This is not necessarily a bad thing because it enables users, but it does mean that you have to upgrade your hardware more often to keep up with software changes in the MS world. In the Mac world, you just don't have to worry about that... you are aware that your old Mac might not have the performance that the newer ones have, but there's usually no issues of your system not meeting the minimum requirements for software, especially the OS. This is just like anything else... it's a trade-off, and this one is not easy to quantify. It used to be that Macs were easier to use and that was their selling point, but now, all computers are pretty easy to use, so OS interface stuff just isn't an issue. For me, it comes down to being able to sit down at the machine and get things done. Windows and Mac both provide that, but Windows is getting hard to work with. I'm tired of Windows treating me like a moron. I just want to use the f-ing thing... get these boxes out of my face! I program mostly for Windows stuff, so I need to use Visual Studio, but when it comes to the choice over what machine to use for my web browsing... it's whichever one is currently turned on. There's not enough difference in common tasks like that to make one OS preferable over the other. For specialised tasks, like making a video, or designing a Windows application, it's pretty clear which OS to choose in most cases. Since 1998 I've gone through 4 computers: 1 Dell d
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Yes, you can. Mac OS X will run just fine on Macs 10 years old. It's not overdone, bloated, resource-hungry software... it's an operating system. That is, the software that lets you operate. Windows is trying to be the software that you do everything with. That's the problem with upgrading. You don't have to upgrade your hardware to run the latest Mac OS, because it is an Operating System, not a Everything System... it's the bare minimum required to run the computer, and everything else you want to do is provided by application softwares which will now run better because they aren't competing with a bloated OS for resources. That's oversimplifying a bit, but it's the crux of the issue. Do want the OS to do everything or do you want it to boot the machine and handle the basics? OS X runs fine on almost any Mac made after 1999 or so. I don't think it will run on the 68000-based Macs, but you have to draw the line somewhere. Windows Vista will not even run on older PCs... it doesn't even run very well on current PCs. Vista is too powerful... it's so much more than an operating system. This is not necessarily a bad thing because it enables users, but it does mean that you have to upgrade your hardware more often to keep up with software changes in the MS world. In the Mac world, you just don't have to worry about that... you are aware that your old Mac might not have the performance that the newer ones have, but there's usually no issues of your system not meeting the minimum requirements for software, especially the OS. This is just like anything else... it's a trade-off, and this one is not easy to quantify. It used to be that Macs were easier to use and that was their selling point, but now, all computers are pretty easy to use, so OS interface stuff just isn't an issue. For me, it comes down to being able to sit down at the machine and get things done. Windows and Mac both provide that, but Windows is getting hard to work with. I'm tired of Windows treating me like a moron. I just want to use the f-ing thing... get these boxes out of my face! I program mostly for Windows stuff, so I need to use Visual Studio, but when it comes to the choice over what machine to use for my web browsing... it's whichever one is currently turned on. There's not enough difference in common tasks like that to make one OS preferable over the other. For specialised tasks, like making a video, or designing a Windows application, it's pretty clear which OS to choose in most cases. Since 1998 I've gone through 4 computers: 1 Dell d
I've never used OSX for more than a few minutes at a time so I'm not trying to compare.
Jasmine2501 wrote:
1 Dell laptop(2002) - Runs XP Pro, but is useless as anything other than a music player
You serious? I had a 333Mhz PII machine that had 512 MB ram and it ran XP perfectly along with SQL Server and Visual Studio. I had no problems doing video editing (it was slow but that was CPU bound), watching dvds, playing the games of the time, etc. I simply can't belive a machine purchased in 1999 or 2002 could not run XP properly and be useful.
Regards, Brian Dela :-)
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Frank Kerrigan wrote:
and I don't know a single person who owns one
Oh yes you do! (You just don't realise it ;))
Frank Kerrigan wrote:
It always stricks me as odd as most "TV Computer Users" in TV shows have a mac.
What would you want in your show? An ugly beige thing or a cool looking mac? Although: Smallville* watchers will have noticed the Luthers using Dells, with an XPS even making an appearance. * Have I just incriminated myself here?
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
* Have I just incriminated myself here?
yes.
Regards, Brian Dela :-)
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I've never used OSX for more than a few minutes at a time so I'm not trying to compare.
Jasmine2501 wrote:
1 Dell laptop(2002) - Runs XP Pro, but is useless as anything other than a music player
You serious? I had a 333Mhz PII machine that had 512 MB ram and it ran XP perfectly along with SQL Server and Visual Studio. I had no problems doing video editing (it was slow but that was CPU bound), watching dvds, playing the games of the time, etc. I simply can't belive a machine purchased in 1999 or 2002 could not run XP properly and be useful.
Regards, Brian Dela :-)
The Dell will run applications if you have to, but performance is crappy. Visual Studio is slow as heck on it. It runs though. Maybe there's something wrong with it, cuz it is a P3/750 so by what you say it should be fine with XP. It only has 256MB RAM though... so maybe that's the problem? If I can get it workin again that would be cool... right now it's just too slow to do anything with, so I mostly just use it to play internet radio here at the house. I don't imagine the Dell laptop will run Vista, but my Toshiba should be fine with it. I'm less than eager about the upgrade though. Our office will try to hold out for a year just to wait for the major patches.
"Quality Software since 1983!"
http://www.smoothjazzy.com/ - see the "Programming" section for freeware tools and articles.