I think this is important enough ...
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
Got any links to examples of that?
You're an intelligent person who knows how to use the internet and I'm certainly not going to waste time holding your hand. When you read an article, just ask yourself where they are coming from and what their track record is. Think for yourself rather than just swollowing whatever is fed to you.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
It's OK it doesn't.
That's good to hear because you sounded somewhat peeved that I exposed the article's author for what he is.
it is best to seek out the least biased reporting - you won't find that with Pilger. I was just wondering what you consider un-biased reporting, if you don't want to share that information, that's fine.
Dan Bennett wrote:
that I exposed the article's author for what he is.
Is that what you did, wow, exposing John Pilger for what he is. Impressive.
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Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
The leaders of the US are all barking mad.
How many times will it take before the rest of the civilized world comes to realize that Americans on the whole do not react in a civilized manner to sneak attacks or having 100s of our fellow Americans hijacked and flown into building killing thousand more Americans. In fact, given most of America's visceral reaction to 9-11 I consider all of our country's actions so far very understated when compared to what it could've been...
“Some have an idea that the reason we in this country discard things so readily is because we have so much. The facts are exactly opposite - the reason we have so much is simply because we discard things so readily. We replace the old in return for something that will serve us better.”--Alfred P. Sloan
Yes yes, but THREE wars? Isn't that taking things a little bit too far? Ok maybe have just ONE more little war with perhaps a few nuclear weapons thrown in. But then PLEASE PLEASE just call it quits and move on!
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Robert Rohde wrote:
Iran's miltitary is stronger then Husseins was.
which is irrelevant. We easily won the Iraq war but soon became hampered by a politically correct policing action, studiously avoiding, for example, Sadre (sp?) and his city of thugs and thieves. Do you imagine that mistakes like that would be repeated? The WWII model of take no prisoners would send many more on to paradise.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
"We easily won the Iraq war " So what is it that you're losing now?
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OK, I paused. Now, lets fucking invade Iran, then set back and watch as all the little lefty heads explode. For my part, I am for anything that finally drives the left to violence. I am truly curious about what it would actually take to get them to fight for something.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
And make sure your children are part of the troops, too. That will show that you truly are a patriot.
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Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Ryan Roberts wrote:
Exhibit A[^]
Yeah, you can find some web pages expressing an extreme point of view. Who would have thought it.:doh: I note that on the first web page it concedes: Even among those who hate the Bush regime, many feel that making such a comparison is too extreme or disrespects those who suffered and died under the Nazis. For "many", substitute "virtually all" and you would have a reasonable estimate.
John Carson
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OK, I paused. Now, lets fucking invade Iran, then set back and watch as all the little lefty heads explode. For my part, I am for anything that finally drives the left to violence. I am truly curious about what it would actually take to get them to fight for something.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
Stan, you come out with all this big hard man stuff, but somehow all that comes accross is someone rather sad and weak.
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"We easily won the Iraq war " So what is it that you're losing now?
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
So what is it that you're losing now?
teh politically correct policing activities.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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it is best to seek out the least biased reporting - you won't find that with Pilger. I was just wondering what you consider un-biased reporting, if you don't want to share that information, that's fine.
Dan Bennett wrote:
that I exposed the article's author for what he is.
Is that what you did, wow, exposing John Pilger for what he is. Impressive.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
I was just wondering what you consider un-biased reporting
Nice try. What I said was "least biased". Are you espeir by any chance?
AndyKEnZ wrote:
if you don't want to share that information
Like I said, work it out for yourself.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
Is that what you did, wow, exposing John Pilger for what he is. Impressive.
Thanks - but it wasn't difficult.
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Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
So what is it that you're losing now?
teh politically correct policing activities.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
So what you're saying is that you won the war but lost the peace. But it was all worth while because...
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So what you're saying is that you won the war but lost the peace. But it was all worth while because...
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
So what you're saying is that you won the war but lost the peace.
yep
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
But it was all worth while because...
there's one less dictator in the world, there's one more democracy in the world, the utter weakness of the UN was exposed, the cowardice of Europe was laid bare.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
So what you're saying is that you won the war but lost the peace.
yep
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
But it was all worth while because...
there's one less dictator in the world, there's one more democracy in the world, the utter weakness of the UN was exposed, the cowardice of Europe was laid bare.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
But don't democracies have to be policed? I thought you just wanted the war bit and not the bit afterwards. Just keep on kicking ass isn't it?
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But don't democracies have to be policed? I thought you just wanted the war bit and not the bit afterwards. Just keep on kicking ass isn't it?
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
I thought you just wanted the war bit and not the bit afterwards.
we would have been out of there a long time ago if they hadn't started killing each other for the sheer fun of it.
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
Just keep on kicking ass isn't it?
and of course, we do so enjoy this aspect.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
I thought you just wanted the war bit and not the bit afterwards.
we would have been out of there a long time ago if they hadn't started killing each other for the sheer fun of it.
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
Just keep on kicking ass isn't it?
and of course, we do so enjoy this aspect.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
we would have been out of there a long time ago if they hadn't started killing each other for the sheer fun of it.
That's about as useful as saying we wouldn't have removed Saddam if he wasn't their dictator. The mess that's over there is still part of the evil that we set out to destroy, only the military leaders (and ultimately our "commander" in chief) failed miserably at using any foresight whatsoever. Bush & Co. thought it was going to be like a video game where, as soon as we kill the end boss, WE WIN!
Faith is a fine invention For gentlemen who see; But microscopes are prudent In an emergency! -Emily Dickinson
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
we would have been out of there a long time ago if they hadn't started killing each other for the sheer fun of it.
That's about as useful as saying we wouldn't have removed Saddam if he wasn't their dictator. The mess that's over there is still part of the evil that we set out to destroy, only the military leaders (and ultimately our "commander" in chief) failed miserably at using any foresight whatsoever. Bush & Co. thought it was going to be like a video game where, as soon as we kill the end boss, WE WIN!
Faith is a fine invention For gentlemen who see; But microscopes are prudent In an emergency! -Emily Dickinson
David Kentley wrote:
thought it was going to be like a video game where, as soon as we kill the end boss, WE WIN!
It is, unless you tear apart the existing security structures and make a half arsed attempt at democratisation that simply hands most of the power to one side of a 1000 year rift. The more top down the society, the easier to replace the thug on top.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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it is best to seek out the least biased reporting - you won't find that with Pilger. I was just wondering what you consider un-biased reporting, if you don't want to share that information, that's fine.
Dan Bennett wrote:
that I exposed the article's author for what he is.
Is that what you did, wow, exposing John Pilger for what he is. Impressive.
Just read the article and you can tell by the adjectives he chose that he's very biased against US policy.
"Acceptance without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western religion, rejection without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western science." - Gary Zukav
Jason Henderson
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Just read the article and you can tell by the adjectives he chose that he's very biased against US policy.
"Acceptance without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western religion, rejection without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western science." - Gary Zukav
Jason Henderson
space art blogJason Henderson wrote:
Just read the article
Well I'm pleased you actually did read it.
Jason Henderson wrote:
that he's very biased against US policy.
You might be surprised at the number of people who are. But I think "biased" is the wrong word, what about "putting forward un-biased facts, with verifiable sources and exposing the propaganda most people believe in"? Or is it a case of you just didn't like what you read?
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Jason Henderson wrote:
Just read the article
Well I'm pleased you actually did read it.
Jason Henderson wrote:
that he's very biased against US policy.
You might be surprised at the number of people who are. But I think "biased" is the wrong word, what about "putting forward un-biased facts, with verifiable sources and exposing the propaganda most people believe in"? Or is it a case of you just didn't like what you read?
"As the American disaster in Iraq deepens and domestic and foreign opposition grows, "neo-con" fanatics such as Vice-President Dick Che- ney believe their opportunity to control Iran's oil will pass unless they act no later than the spring." You call this unbiased facts? This is speculative opinion with NOTHING to back it up.
"Acceptance without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western religion, rejection without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western science." - Gary Zukav
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
we would have been out of there a long time ago if they hadn't started killing each other for the sheer fun of it.
That's about as useful as saying we wouldn't have removed Saddam if he wasn't their dictator. The mess that's over there is still part of the evil that we set out to destroy, only the military leaders (and ultimately our "commander" in chief) failed miserably at using any foresight whatsoever. Bush & Co. thought it was going to be like a video game where, as soon as we kill the end boss, WE WIN!
Faith is a fine invention For gentlemen who see; But microscopes are prudent In an emergency! -Emily Dickinson
David Kentley wrote:
The mess that's over there is still part of the evil that we set out to destroy
Oh, I agree. but we went about that aspect with the assumption that given a chance to live and work in a free and open society an oppressed population would react positively. Many have, a minority have not.
David Kentley wrote:
only the military leaders (and ultimately our "commander" in chief) failed miserably at using any foresight whatsoever.
hardly. your plan would have been?
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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"As the American disaster in Iraq deepens and domestic and foreign opposition grows, "neo-con" fanatics such as Vice-President Dick Che- ney believe their opportunity to control Iran's oil will pass unless they act no later than the spring." You call this unbiased facts? This is speculative opinion with NOTHING to back it up.
"Acceptance without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western religion, rejection without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western science." - Gary Zukav
Jason Henderson
space art blog -
Wow. You actually believe everything he said. :sigh:
"Acceptance without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western religion, rejection without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western science." - Gary Zukav
Jason Henderson
space art blog