I think this is important enough ...
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Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
So what you're saying is that you won the war but lost the peace.
yep
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
But it was all worth while because...
there's one less dictator in the world, there's one more democracy in the world, the utter weakness of the UN was exposed, the cowardice of Europe was laid bare.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
But don't democracies have to be policed? I thought you just wanted the war bit and not the bit afterwards. Just keep on kicking ass isn't it?
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But don't democracies have to be policed? I thought you just wanted the war bit and not the bit afterwards. Just keep on kicking ass isn't it?
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
I thought you just wanted the war bit and not the bit afterwards.
we would have been out of there a long time ago if they hadn't started killing each other for the sheer fun of it.
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
Just keep on kicking ass isn't it?
and of course, we do so enjoy this aspect.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
I thought you just wanted the war bit and not the bit afterwards.
we would have been out of there a long time ago if they hadn't started killing each other for the sheer fun of it.
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
Just keep on kicking ass isn't it?
and of course, we do so enjoy this aspect.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
we would have been out of there a long time ago if they hadn't started killing each other for the sheer fun of it.
That's about as useful as saying we wouldn't have removed Saddam if he wasn't their dictator. The mess that's over there is still part of the evil that we set out to destroy, only the military leaders (and ultimately our "commander" in chief) failed miserably at using any foresight whatsoever. Bush & Co. thought it was going to be like a video game where, as soon as we kill the end boss, WE WIN!
Faith is a fine invention For gentlemen who see; But microscopes are prudent In an emergency! -Emily Dickinson
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
we would have been out of there a long time ago if they hadn't started killing each other for the sheer fun of it.
That's about as useful as saying we wouldn't have removed Saddam if he wasn't their dictator. The mess that's over there is still part of the evil that we set out to destroy, only the military leaders (and ultimately our "commander" in chief) failed miserably at using any foresight whatsoever. Bush & Co. thought it was going to be like a video game where, as soon as we kill the end boss, WE WIN!
Faith is a fine invention For gentlemen who see; But microscopes are prudent In an emergency! -Emily Dickinson
David Kentley wrote:
thought it was going to be like a video game where, as soon as we kill the end boss, WE WIN!
It is, unless you tear apart the existing security structures and make a half arsed attempt at democratisation that simply hands most of the power to one side of a 1000 year rift. The more top down the society, the easier to replace the thug on top.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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it is best to seek out the least biased reporting - you won't find that with Pilger. I was just wondering what you consider un-biased reporting, if you don't want to share that information, that's fine.
Dan Bennett wrote:
that I exposed the article's author for what he is.
Is that what you did, wow, exposing John Pilger for what he is. Impressive.
Just read the article and you can tell by the adjectives he chose that he's very biased against US policy.
"Acceptance without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western religion, rejection without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western science." - Gary Zukav
Jason Henderson
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Just read the article and you can tell by the adjectives he chose that he's very biased against US policy.
"Acceptance without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western religion, rejection without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western science." - Gary Zukav
Jason Henderson
space art blogJason Henderson wrote:
Just read the article
Well I'm pleased you actually did read it.
Jason Henderson wrote:
that he's very biased against US policy.
You might be surprised at the number of people who are. But I think "biased" is the wrong word, what about "putting forward un-biased facts, with verifiable sources and exposing the propaganda most people believe in"? Or is it a case of you just didn't like what you read?
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Jason Henderson wrote:
Just read the article
Well I'm pleased you actually did read it.
Jason Henderson wrote:
that he's very biased against US policy.
You might be surprised at the number of people who are. But I think "biased" is the wrong word, what about "putting forward un-biased facts, with verifiable sources and exposing the propaganda most people believe in"? Or is it a case of you just didn't like what you read?
"As the American disaster in Iraq deepens and domestic and foreign opposition grows, "neo-con" fanatics such as Vice-President Dick Che- ney believe their opportunity to control Iran's oil will pass unless they act no later than the spring." You call this unbiased facts? This is speculative opinion with NOTHING to back it up.
"Acceptance without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western religion, rejection without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western science." - Gary Zukav
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
we would have been out of there a long time ago if they hadn't started killing each other for the sheer fun of it.
That's about as useful as saying we wouldn't have removed Saddam if he wasn't their dictator. The mess that's over there is still part of the evil that we set out to destroy, only the military leaders (and ultimately our "commander" in chief) failed miserably at using any foresight whatsoever. Bush & Co. thought it was going to be like a video game where, as soon as we kill the end boss, WE WIN!
Faith is a fine invention For gentlemen who see; But microscopes are prudent In an emergency! -Emily Dickinson
David Kentley wrote:
The mess that's over there is still part of the evil that we set out to destroy
Oh, I agree. but we went about that aspect with the assumption that given a chance to live and work in a free and open society an oppressed population would react positively. Many have, a minority have not.
David Kentley wrote:
only the military leaders (and ultimately our "commander" in chief) failed miserably at using any foresight whatsoever.
hardly. your plan would have been?
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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"As the American disaster in Iraq deepens and domestic and foreign opposition grows, "neo-con" fanatics such as Vice-President Dick Che- ney believe their opportunity to control Iran's oil will pass unless they act no later than the spring." You call this unbiased facts? This is speculative opinion with NOTHING to back it up.
"Acceptance without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western religion, rejection without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western science." - Gary Zukav
Jason Henderson
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Wow. You actually believe everything he said. :sigh:
"Acceptance without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western religion, rejection without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western science." - Gary Zukav
Jason Henderson
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David Kentley wrote:
The mess that's over there is still part of the evil that we set out to destroy
Oh, I agree. but we went about that aspect with the assumption that given a chance to live and work in a free and open society an oppressed population would react positively. Many have, a minority have not.
David Kentley wrote:
only the military leaders (and ultimately our "commander" in chief) failed miserably at using any foresight whatsoever.
hardly. your plan would have been?
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Maybe better policing after the invasion would have helped. :)
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Because the left is the ultimate enabler of extremist Islam. It is the left that holds our hands behind our backs while Islamic fascist beat us. It is the left that tries to sow the seeds of doubts in western minds about confronting threats such as Islamic fundamnetalism and it is the left that encourages such threats by establishing a moral agenda which they refuse to enforce against any culture aside form their own. Kill the left, and Islamic radicalism will die with it.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
You really are a complete plank aren't you. Sad....so sad....
"Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
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Maybe better policing after the invasion would have helped. :)
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
Maybe better policing after the invasion would have helped.
no argument there.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
So what you're saying is that you won the war but lost the peace.
yep
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
But it was all worth while because...
there's one less dictator in the world, there's one more democracy in the world, the utter weakness of the UN was exposed, the cowardice of Europe was laid bare.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Hi, I agree on that one (and not only because of your name). The US isn't able to handle the Iraq. How could they even dream about having Iraq AND Iran under real control. And Iran's miltitary is stronger then Husseins was. Robert
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Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
The leaders of the US are all barking mad.
How many times will it take before the rest of the civilized world comes to realize that Americans on the whole do not react in a civilized manner to sneak attacks or having 100s of our fellow Americans hijacked and flown into building killing thousand more Americans. In fact, given most of America's visceral reaction to 9-11 I consider all of our country's actions so far very understated when compared to what it could've been...
“Some have an idea that the reason we in this country discard things so readily is because we have so much. The facts are exactly opposite - the reason we have so much is simply because we discard things so readily. We replace the old in return for something that will serve us better.”--Alfred P. Sloan
"In fact, given most of America's visceral reaction to 9-11 I consider all of our country's actions so far very understated when compared to what it could've been..." Or to what will happen after "next time," especially if "next time" happens under a Democratic administration.