Vista is great!
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I have not used Vista yet but heard a lot about it and most of it bad so I don't know if I should upgrade. :confused:
The simple answer is that a lot of people shouldn't, and almost nobody really needs to.
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Hamed Mosavi wrote:
You have to just see how networking got strong and easy. Even my very slow Dialup connection works better and unbelievably faster, faster than ever before.
Are you claiming that the same modem works faster on Vista compared to XP? I don't see how an OS upgrade could make a modem work faster. :suss:
Cheers, Vikram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Are you claiming that the same modem works faster on Vista compared to XP?
Yes, it is?! Perhaps, it was in fact a driver problem in XP. But certainly if it is working faster now, it's not because there's a change in hardware ;) To me, the reason is not important, What I see is that my download speed increesed from 3~3.5 kbps up to 4~5 kbps.
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I know most people in US or Europe know these, I just write them for countries like mine, where finding information is more difficult. Background: I was free the last 3 days, so I used the time to install an evaluation version of vista. I'm working with it since then. Unfortunately, I only have 30 days (end of evaluation), to enjoy. Returning back to XP after 3 days, it is like returning decades back in technology. I don't understand all those rumors about vista? Consistency: I just experienced inconsistency once, and that was about forcing the OS to install my old driver for my old modem, even when I got a warning during installation and upon an attempt to connect, yes blue screen of death. Technology: There are a lot of small improvements, and some earth shattering ones. I don't know what exactly should be added to an OS so that people say it's an improvement! While I was one of those who thought Vista has nothing new some years ago, today it's different. I worked with the fantastic Speech Recognition tool. Unbelievable! I can now see a future at which people talk to machines like they communicate with each other, without forcing to touch the machine by mouse or keyboard and it's not only a dream. User interface is great. Although I don't like black color, and I wished it was possible to customize taskbar and start menu (Translucency, color, etc.) Control panel is a place now in which you can really control what you have. There is a large group of information as well. Even Vista rates your computer; so that users easily go and buy software's that their rate is below their computer's rate. Backward compatibility: I installed some of my old software's and they worked like charm. (My BarChart works as well :) ) Speed: My computer hardware is not strong, and vista advisory software, advised installing Business version. However, I installed Ultimate and it worked, sometimes even faster than XP. Startup is quick, as well. Drivers: Driver updates are really easy, since Microsoft seems to have a great database of almost all drivers and upon first connection; I realized there is a version available for almost all of my main hardware's. Productivity: In Vista, I almost had all features I always needed in XP. Desktop is now available in (Alt+Tab) application switching. You can now have a list of favorite folders, which is available in all explorer windows. Just a click and you are there. We can see hard drive informatio
I am happy that you like it, and hope that you will be able to buy one. Clearly there are others who have been disappointed. It is the build up of expectations that possibly caused the disappointment. There have been a number of things promised, but were removed to deliver the software atleast now. Thomas
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I have not used Vista yet but heard a lot about it and most of it bad so I don't know if I should upgrade. :confused:
andre_swnpl wrote:
heard a lot about it and most of it bad
Not strange. Microsoft has a lot of enemies these days. Don't trust them, don't trust me as well(!) Find some free time. Backup some info to CD/DVD, and install a free evaluation. I'm sure you'll love it.
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I know most people in US or Europe know these, I just write them for countries like mine, where finding information is more difficult. Background: I was free the last 3 days, so I used the time to install an evaluation version of vista. I'm working with it since then. Unfortunately, I only have 30 days (end of evaluation), to enjoy. Returning back to XP after 3 days, it is like returning decades back in technology. I don't understand all those rumors about vista? Consistency: I just experienced inconsistency once, and that was about forcing the OS to install my old driver for my old modem, even when I got a warning during installation and upon an attempt to connect, yes blue screen of death. Technology: There are a lot of small improvements, and some earth shattering ones. I don't know what exactly should be added to an OS so that people say it's an improvement! While I was one of those who thought Vista has nothing new some years ago, today it's different. I worked with the fantastic Speech Recognition tool. Unbelievable! I can now see a future at which people talk to machines like they communicate with each other, without forcing to touch the machine by mouse or keyboard and it's not only a dream. User interface is great. Although I don't like black color, and I wished it was possible to customize taskbar and start menu (Translucency, color, etc.) Control panel is a place now in which you can really control what you have. There is a large group of information as well. Even Vista rates your computer; so that users easily go and buy software's that their rate is below their computer's rate. Backward compatibility: I installed some of my old software's and they worked like charm. (My BarChart works as well :) ) Speed: My computer hardware is not strong, and vista advisory software, advised installing Business version. However, I installed Ultimate and it worked, sometimes even faster than XP. Startup is quick, as well. Drivers: Driver updates are really easy, since Microsoft seems to have a great database of almost all drivers and upon first connection; I realized there is a version available for almost all of my main hardware's. Productivity: In Vista, I almost had all features I always needed in XP. Desktop is now available in (Alt+Tab) application switching. You can now have a list of favorite folders, which is available in all explorer windows. Just a click and you are there. We can see hard drive informatio
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The network stack has been rewritten from scratch to improve performance. So it is very likely to see improvements.
Bingo! I would bet that is the cause of the improvement, if not a better modem driver. Back a few years ago in the Win95 days, I was using a Linux box as a Internet connection sharing device (an old school version of the DSL/Cable Broadband routers you can get for $35 today). The dial-up throughput was faster going through the Linux box than when it was directly connected to the modem. Since the same TCP/IP stack was in use in either scenario, I figured it was because the modem driver was of a poorer implementation on Windows than it was on the Linux box (it was the exact same modem, moved from one box to the other). Peace!
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I know most people in US or Europe know these, I just write them for countries like mine, where finding information is more difficult. Background: I was free the last 3 days, so I used the time to install an evaluation version of vista. I'm working with it since then. Unfortunately, I only have 30 days (end of evaluation), to enjoy. Returning back to XP after 3 days, it is like returning decades back in technology. I don't understand all those rumors about vista? Consistency: I just experienced inconsistency once, and that was about forcing the OS to install my old driver for my old modem, even when I got a warning during installation and upon an attempt to connect, yes blue screen of death. Technology: There are a lot of small improvements, and some earth shattering ones. I don't know what exactly should be added to an OS so that people say it's an improvement! While I was one of those who thought Vista has nothing new some years ago, today it's different. I worked with the fantastic Speech Recognition tool. Unbelievable! I can now see a future at which people talk to machines like they communicate with each other, without forcing to touch the machine by mouse or keyboard and it's not only a dream. User interface is great. Although I don't like black color, and I wished it was possible to customize taskbar and start menu (Translucency, color, etc.) Control panel is a place now in which you can really control what you have. There is a large group of information as well. Even Vista rates your computer; so that users easily go and buy software's that their rate is below their computer's rate. Backward compatibility: I installed some of my old software's and they worked like charm. (My BarChart works as well :) ) Speed: My computer hardware is not strong, and vista advisory software, advised installing Business version. However, I installed Ultimate and it worked, sometimes even faster than XP. Startup is quick, as well. Drivers: Driver updates are really easy, since Microsoft seems to have a great database of almost all drivers and upon first connection; I realized there is a version available for almost all of my main hardware's. Productivity: In Vista, I almost had all features I always needed in XP. Desktop is now available in (Alt+Tab) application switching. You can now have a list of favorite folders, which is available in all explorer windows. Just a click and you are there. We can see hard drive informatio
After a false start I've also learnt to love Vista. My only bugbear was that support for VS2003 is, shall we say, poor, at best. I did get it working but it was an illusion so I've made the permanent switch to 2005 (Not a bad thing). I was irrtiated by the constant patching and upgrades for the first few days, especially the 450odd MB of the VS service pack! Still, having said that it works very nicely on my 2 year old Dell laptop and I'd be loathe to go back. I have Vista Business and it just works.
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I am happy that you like it, and hope that you will be able to buy one. Clearly there are others who have been disappointed. It is the build up of expectations that possibly caused the disappointment. There have been a number of things promised, but were removed to deliver the software atleast now. Thomas
Thomas George wrote:
I am happy that you like it, and hope that you will be able to buy one.
Thanks, but I think it will not be possible.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Thank you.
It's my pleasure, but what for?:confused:
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I know most people in US or Europe know these, I just write them for countries like mine, where finding information is more difficult. Background: I was free the last 3 days, so I used the time to install an evaluation version of vista. I'm working with it since then. Unfortunately, I only have 30 days (end of evaluation), to enjoy. Returning back to XP after 3 days, it is like returning decades back in technology. I don't understand all those rumors about vista? Consistency: I just experienced inconsistency once, and that was about forcing the OS to install my old driver for my old modem, even when I got a warning during installation and upon an attempt to connect, yes blue screen of death. Technology: There are a lot of small improvements, and some earth shattering ones. I don't know what exactly should be added to an OS so that people say it's an improvement! While I was one of those who thought Vista has nothing new some years ago, today it's different. I worked with the fantastic Speech Recognition tool. Unbelievable! I can now see a future at which people talk to machines like they communicate with each other, without forcing to touch the machine by mouse or keyboard and it's not only a dream. User interface is great. Although I don't like black color, and I wished it was possible to customize taskbar and start menu (Translucency, color, etc.) Control panel is a place now in which you can really control what you have. There is a large group of information as well. Even Vista rates your computer; so that users easily go and buy software's that their rate is below their computer's rate. Backward compatibility: I installed some of my old software's and they worked like charm. (My BarChart works as well :) ) Speed: My computer hardware is not strong, and vista advisory software, advised installing Business version. However, I installed Ultimate and it worked, sometimes even faster than XP. Startup is quick, as well. Drivers: Driver updates are really easy, since Microsoft seems to have a great database of almost all drivers and upon first connection; I realized there is a version available for almost all of my main hardware's. Productivity: In Vista, I almost had all features I always needed in XP. Desktop is now available in (Alt+Tab) application switching. You can now have a list of favorite folders, which is available in all explorer windows. Just a click and you are there. We can see hard drive informatio
pro: - it boots up quicker (but my installation doesn't have that much junk yet) - it looks like it works quicker (see remark 1, which also counts for this one) - looks nicer con: - DEP s*cks (you can debate on this one) - UAC s*cks (you can debate on this one) - Popups until you go crazy. I looks to me like they did a great effort on some things and went back to the stoneage on other items. ;P
V. I found a living worth working for, but haven't found work worth living for.
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Thomas George wrote:
I am happy that you like it, and hope that you will be able to buy one.
Thanks, but I think it will not be possible.
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Why is that? Is it simply too expensive for you, or is it not available in IRI due to export regulations (read dirty politics)?
Cheers, Vikram.
"...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.
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pro: - it boots up quicker (but my installation doesn't have that much junk yet) - it looks like it works quicker (see remark 1, which also counts for this one) - looks nicer con: - DEP s*cks (you can debate on this one) - UAC s*cks (you can debate on this one) - Popups until you go crazy. I looks to me like they did a great effort on some things and went back to the stoneage on other items. ;P
V. I found a living worth working for, but haven't found work worth living for.
Popup until you go crazy True. But it doe's not make me crazy. I soon found out that I should not press buttons with a security mark on them, so often. I hope service packs solve this. UAC, DEP?? I don't know what are these two technologies? Does UAC stand for User Access Control? (Just a guess) But even if it is true, consider the fact that "even best flowers have thorns" (Iranian saying) In other words, we have both heard many times that an average C programmer has X bugs in every Y lines of code. Let's don't forget this OS has over 60,000,000 LOC many in Assembly, C, C++. Another thing; "what is the alternative?" Most of those who are sad from vista, are working with XP. Yes XP might does not have this or that bug, I think because it has not this or that feature.
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Why is that? Is it simply too expensive for you, or is it not available in IRI due to export regulations (read dirty politics)?
Cheers, Vikram.
"...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
dirty politics
Exactly, especially in our side. I'm afraid to say more. Every 10000 unit of my money here = 1$, so first it is expensive. But I could save mony within months to buy it, and In fact I did some already. The main important matter is that even google does not let me download it's free softwares, symantec does not let me buy anti virous, and the same thing should be true about Microsoft activation for restricted countries. I'm still not sure, but I'm also afraid, because relationship between the two countries are getting worse every second.
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Popup until you go crazy True. But it doe's not make me crazy. I soon found out that I should not press buttons with a security mark on them, so often. I hope service packs solve this. UAC, DEP?? I don't know what are these two technologies? Does UAC stand for User Access Control? (Just a guess) But even if it is true, consider the fact that "even best flowers have thorns" (Iranian saying) In other words, we have both heard many times that an average C programmer has X bugs in every Y lines of code. Let's don't forget this OS has over 60,000,000 LOC many in Assembly, C, C++. Another thing; "what is the alternative?" Most of those who are sad from vista, are working with XP. Yes XP might does not have this or that bug, I think because it has not this or that feature.
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Lol, UAC is User Account Control, I know there are pros and cons to this workflow, but the way MS does it is just annoying. DEP stands for Data Execution Prevention which just halts everything that runs something 'suspicious' The problem is that eg you run a webpage with a suspicious control it shuts down the instance of IE. you get a popup (:doh:) with 2 options: (1) Close the app, (2) look for a solution and close the app. You can turn this stuff off, but windows always keeps nagging about it. The DEP itself might be a good idea, but an option (3) continue anyway is something that they should add.
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Why is that? Is it simply too expensive for you, or is it not available in IRI due to export regulations (read dirty politics)?
Cheers, Vikram.
"...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
in IRI due to export regulations
I generally don't bother looking at country of origin, but he is correct, he is on the export restriction list and therefore could not get a copy of vista. He shouldn't even have a RC, and anyone caught exporting technology like that to him would get tossed in jail for life, or worse. By the way, I don't mean to sound cold in saying this. Like him, I can't say too much more about it either (ironically). This is simply the way it is right now, neither he nor I have a choice in the matter. -- modified at 11:21 Wednesday 7th February, 2007
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The simple answer is that a lot of people shouldn't, and almost nobody really needs to.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
The simple answer is that a lot of people shouldn't, and almost nobody really needs to.
The ironic side is, I heard the same thing about XP (especially the "pretty interface" comments from others), and again about dual core only a short time ago. In fact when I got my first dual core chip, a lot of people commented how much of a waste it was, no one is multi-threaded, no one is ready for dual core, so don't buy it. So far I haven't heard anything worse than when XP was released with Vista, and my experience has been similar. Those of us who will test with Vista, or do test with Vista will make it better for others. We have a 64bit requirement for FY08 that has to be kept in mind, that means XP64, Linux64bit, or Vista64bit, or one of the MS Enterprise servers OS packages, not sure which. Regardless of my personal opinion on any of those OS packages, I will have to be using one on a date in FY08.
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Lol, UAC is User Account Control, I know there are pros and cons to this workflow, but the way MS does it is just annoying. DEP stands for Data Execution Prevention which just halts everything that runs something 'suspicious' The problem is that eg you run a webpage with a suspicious control it shuts down the instance of IE. you get a popup (:doh:) with 2 options: (1) Close the app, (2) look for a solution and close the app. You can turn this stuff off, but windows always keeps nagging about it. The DEP itself might be a good idea, but an option (3) continue anyway is something that they should add.
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Stop smoking so you can: Enjoy longer the money you save. Moviereview ArchiveI think you have the wrong idea of what DEP does. DEP primarily a hardware feature that allows portions of memory to be marked NX (no-execute). Most newer processors support this and for the most part can be emulated in software. Basically DEP halts everything that executes where it should not be executing, it is not a nanny. IE nannies controls (in reference to your example) which is why you have to specify you want to install them or run them. DEP on steps in when it attempts to do something it shouldn't.
Matt Newman
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I think you have the wrong idea of what DEP does. DEP primarily a hardware feature that allows portions of memory to be marked NX (no-execute). Most newer processors support this and for the most part can be emulated in software. Basically DEP halts everything that executes where it should not be executing, it is not a nanny. IE nannies controls (in reference to your example) which is why you have to specify you want to install them or run them. DEP on steps in when it attempts to do something it shouldn't.
Matt Newman
well it stops the IE in my case, I had to turn it in order to view the, perfectly normal, webpage.
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well it stops the IE in my case, I had to turn it in order to view the, perfectly normal, webpage.
V.
Stop smoking so you can: Enjoy longer the money you save. Moviereview ArchiveThen there is something hooked into IE that is setting it off.
Matt Newman
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The simple answer is that a lot of people shouldn't, and almost nobody really needs to.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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