UAC video
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Paul Watson wrote:
You either get hounded by UAC or you turn it off.
I have to wonder what applications you're running to get hounded by UAC. I get the prompts only when installing new software, or when I intentionally run something elevated. That's not hounding to me, and I've left it on.
Mike Poz
Well you are a lucky man then because deleting files, moving files, fiddling with shortcuts etc. pops up plenty of UAC dialogs for me. And every review I have read of Vista complains about UAC. Are you running in admin mode by any chance?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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I've said some harsh things about Vista and I still don't like it. So more Vista love from me isn't going to endear me to anyone. But I thought this Apple video[^] was pretty funny. And quite true. You either get hounded by UAC or you turn it off. I should point out that I think all the other Mac vs. PC ads from Apple are really poor. They are petty and annoying. This was the first one I actually identified with because UAC does suck. You can vote me down now :)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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Looks like a pretty stupid commercial to me, it looks like it was created by an immature child.... oh wait.
Matt Newman
Oh c'mon Matt - it's f*cking hilarious, especially the agent's last comment... "You're coming to a sad realization. Cancel or allow?" The ad guys are brilliant!
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John Cardinal wrote:
Anyone who makes software and has *ever* watched a user run through their software quickly realizes how people glaze over and click anything just to get rid of it if it pops up without reading it.
to MS's credit, they made it tough to 'glaze over' because the UAC stuff flicks the entire screen to near-black, and puts up a system modal dialog. it made me think the system was totally crashing every time i tried to do anything. it really got my attention. until i turned the UAC off.
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> the UAC stuff flicks the entire screen to near-black ...which is just peachy on a slow remote desktop connection. Slow redraw on the actual prompt, slow redraw on the dismissal of the dialog box. That's two 10-second screen redraws right there. Reminds me of downloading GIFs at 14.4 back in the 90's.
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Looks like a pretty stupid commercial to me, it looks like it was created by an immature child.... oh wait.
Matt Newman
I'm a PC lover myself, and found the commercial very funny.
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That is truly funny and spot on. I agree about the previous ads I've seen, they were factually incorrect and annoying, but this is one I can identify with completely. When I first tried vista the moment I saw the UAC keep popping up my very first thought was "this is unbelievably stupid". Anyone who makes software and has *ever* watched a user run through their software quickly realizes how people glaze over and click anything just to get rid of it if it pops up without reading it. Whack a mole security is not the answer.
John Cardinal wrote:
Whack a mole security is not the answer.
:laugh: What a great analogy! You should probably patent that term before someone else does!
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I've said some harsh things about Vista and I still don't like it. So more Vista love from me isn't going to endear me to anyone. But I thought this Apple video[^] was pretty funny. And quite true. You either get hounded by UAC or you turn it off. I should point out that I think all the other Mac vs. PC ads from Apple are really poor. They are petty and annoying. This was the first one I actually identified with because UAC does suck. You can vote me down now :)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
I don't find UAC to be a problem--if I'm doing a lot of work that would involve it, I simply turn it off until I'm done. As a German friend of mine puts it, "Es ist nicht ein big deal." But I still think the Apple ad is a scream. The whole set is the best creative work I've seen in years, even if Apple does stretch the truth a bit. Okay--a lot.
David Veeneman www.veeneman.com
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I don't find UAC to be a problem--if I'm doing a lot of work that would involve it, I simply turn it off until I'm done. As a German friend of mine puts it, "Es ist nicht ein big deal." But I still think the Apple ad is a scream. The whole set is the best creative work I've seen in years, even if Apple does stretch the truth a bit. Okay--a lot.
David Veeneman www.veeneman.com
I just got back from an hour of yelling at Vista. I was trying to get Joost working and it doesn't work if UAC is turned off. UAC pops up three times every single time I want to run Joost. Then I was getting my Mac drivers sorted out and, once again, UAC had to be on for admin priviliges. Wow. Was it ever annoying. Why can't Vista do what OS X does? Ask for the password at the start of a sensitive process and then allow it. Seems to work for OS X.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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I just got back from an hour of yelling at Vista. I was trying to get Joost working and it doesn't work if UAC is turned off. UAC pops up three times every single time I want to run Joost. Then I was getting my Mac drivers sorted out and, once again, UAC had to be on for admin priviliges. Wow. Was it ever annoying. Why can't Vista do what OS X does? Ask for the password at the start of a sensitive process and then allow it. Seems to work for OS X.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
For that, we'll have to wait for Rev. 3. :-D
David Veeneman www.veeneman.com
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I've said some harsh things about Vista and I still don't like it. So more Vista love from me isn't going to endear me to anyone. But I thought this Apple video[^] was pretty funny. And quite true. You either get hounded by UAC or you turn it off. I should point out that I think all the other Mac vs. PC ads from Apple are really poor. They are petty and annoying. This was the first one I actually identified with because UAC does suck. You can vote me down now :)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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it was pretty funny and UAC does suck. But I still think all these Apple ads are misleading and, in general, bs. There isn't much difference between the UAC and having to type in the root password in the mac?
DLBoyd151 wrote:
There isn't much difference between the UAC and having to type in the root password in the mac?
There is a big difference. OS X asks you once. UAC pops up lots more than once.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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Well you are a lucky man then because deleting files, moving files, fiddling with shortcuts etc. pops up plenty of UAC dialogs for me. And every review I have read of Vista complains about UAC. Are you running in admin mode by any chance?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Perhaps it's because those files and shortcuts were in what are considered "protected" areas, like the root of your Windows drive, or in the All Users menu areas. My account is considered administrator level(as opposed to user level), but with UAC enabled, so when I try to do something like run your averge setup program, run Regedit, delete a folder from "Program Files" or make changes to the "all users" start menu I get prompted. But then again, I expect to get the prompt for actions like that because I'm changing basic OS stuff. User specific stuff ("users\{your profile}\...\start menu" for example) shouldn't prompt you.
Mike Poz
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it was pretty funny and UAC does suck. But I still think all these Apple ads are misleading and, in general, bs. There isn't much difference between the UAC and having to type in the root password in the mac?
To a certain degree though, I think the idiot users who have made their computing environment vulnerable, deserve to be bugged about it. I keep my computer secure by being smart about it. I don't need UAC, but a large number of people out there totally deserve to be bugged by it. Until they realise what they are approving though, it doesn't do any good. People don't see the pop-up as "Warning: you are doing something unsafe! Please be sure you know what you are doing."... they see it as "Warning: Please click OK to continue." People see it as something that is preventing them from doing thier work, rather than a warning that they probably shouldn't do what they tried to do. So, when they click OK, they are really saying "Yes, please let me do my work", but that's not the question it asked. I think the dialog should say "Would you like to open up the following security hole?"
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