System administrators v/s Software engineers
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--=A J E E S H=-- wrote:
I hate these guys as they monitors our system using loggers and I don't know aaaaarrrrrggggghhh
If you were such a hotshot, you could get around anything they do. :rolleyes:
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If you were such a hotshot
No I'm not. But sometimes really they irritates me. :sigh:
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Hi all, Do you guys ever think which one of these species is superior? System administrators are pretending to be more superior to software engineers because they are the one who give us priviledges in our system, and ofcourse they are also making software deployment a nightmare :mad:. I hate these guys as they monitors our system using loggers and I don't know aaaaarrrrrggggghhh :mad:. I'm surprised :omg: that still these species coexist.;P
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Software engineer, of course! Because it can often do most of the work of the System administrator while the opposite is false!!! ;P But who cares....
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Hi all, Do you guys ever think which one of these species is superior? System administrators are pretending to be more superior to software engineers because they are the one who give us priviledges in our system, and ofcourse they are also making software deployment a nightmare :mad:. I hate these guys as they monitors our system using loggers and I don't know aaaaarrrrrggggghhh :mad:. I'm surprised :omg: that still these species coexist.;P
Regards, --=A J E E S H=--
--=A J E E S H=-- wrote:
and ofcourse they are also making software deployment a nightmare
:confused: I don't get that comment. Care to explain?
Later, JoeSox-Systems Administrator "Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work." -Aristotle CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ Last.fm
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Hi all, Do you guys ever think which one of these species is superior? System administrators are pretending to be more superior to software engineers because they are the one who give us priviledges in our system, and ofcourse they are also making software deployment a nightmare :mad:. I hate these guys as they monitors our system using loggers and I don't know aaaaarrrrrggggghhh :mad:. I'm surprised :omg: that still these species coexist.;P
Regards, --=A J E E S H=--
Since the my job function for the last 10 years includes both I am not sure what to answer...
John
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Hi all, Do you guys ever think which one of these species is superior? System administrators are pretending to be more superior to software engineers because they are the one who give us priviledges in our system, and ofcourse they are also making software deployment a nightmare :mad:. I hate these guys as they monitors our system using loggers and I don't know aaaaarrrrrggggghhh :mad:. I'm surprised :omg: that still these species coexist.;P
Regards, --=A J E E S H=--
I don't know what's so different to your sysadmin, but the sysadmin at the office where I work doesn't bother the developers that much. Ok, they use loggers, but that's not a problem.
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Hi all, Do you guys ever think which one of these species is superior? System administrators are pretending to be more superior to software engineers because they are the one who give us priviledges in our system, and ofcourse they are also making software deployment a nightmare :mad:. I hate these guys as they monitors our system using loggers and I don't know aaaaarrrrrggggghhh :mad:. I'm surprised :omg: that still these species coexist.;P
Regards, --=A J E E S H=--
Try and build a working relationship with them, Thats what I do and get on great with the sys-admins here, they are much more accomidating if your nice to them. Frank
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--=A J E E S H=-- wrote:
and ofcourse they are also making software deployment a nightmare
:confused: I don't get that comment. Care to explain?
Later, JoeSox-Systems Administrator "Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work." -Aristotle CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ Last.fm
Maybe they don't let him patch the production sever with fresh hot debug build DLLs.
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Hi all, Do you guys ever think which one of these species is superior? System administrators are pretending to be more superior to software engineers because they are the one who give us priviledges in our system, and ofcourse they are also making software deployment a nightmare :mad:. I hate these guys as they monitors our system using loggers and I don't know aaaaarrrrrggggghhh :mad:. I'm surprised :omg: that still these species coexist.;P
Regards, --=A J E E S H=--
They each exist in their own worlds. Most of the time, the sysadmins are driven by corporate IT, a distinctly dysfunctional group. Many years ago, I managed a database development group of about 8 people or so. We used X Windows from our PC desktop to access Unix servers. Because our servers and databases would be up for months and months, we would naturally leave the desktop locked over night. First point of friction came when IT inexplicably rebooted everything to roll out a patch. No warning. A few months later, I was having a casual conversation with the local IT manager about work, and he mentioned that Office 2000 was about to be deployed corporate wide. Now, I knew my group's desktops were low on disk space, so when I learned that Office was going to eat another 200MB (a lot back then), I innocently inquired as to who was buying new hard drives. Deer in head lights look - huh? Not our problem, he says. Sigh, Okay, I'll get my VP to talk to your VP. :) Rollout never happened. It reached a point where we would just disconnect from the network to keep from being nuked by the "admins". Now, I have had admins who knew they were in a support roll. And I would do anything for them. Then there are others who think that because the have super privs, they rule.... I think this latter one is the one you are troubled with....
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Hi all, Do you guys ever think which one of these species is superior? System administrators are pretending to be more superior to software engineers because they are the one who give us priviledges in our system, and ofcourse they are also making software deployment a nightmare :mad:. I hate these guys as they monitors our system using loggers and I don't know aaaaarrrrrggggghhh :mad:. I'm surprised :omg: that still these species coexist.;P
Regards, --=A J E E S H=--
Together, they are like a football team (American football, not that horrible sport soccer :)). Engineers are the offense. Admins are the defense. The offense thinks they can do it all, and the defense tries to limit the damage the offense can do. It's a constant battle. Of course the offense is more important, but the defense is also important. I wish the defense would just allow this part of the offense to be an admin on his own machine :mad::mad::mad:
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Hi all, Do you guys ever think which one of these species is superior? System administrators are pretending to be more superior to software engineers because they are the one who give us priviledges in our system, and ofcourse they are also making software deployment a nightmare :mad:. I hate these guys as they monitors our system using loggers and I don't know aaaaarrrrrggggghhh :mad:. I'm surprised :omg: that still these species coexist.;P
Regards, --=A J E E S H=--
Just a small something to think about. The tools the System Administrators use for monitoring, logging, and the rest of their administrative duties are and have ultimately been created by Software Engineers. Just something to think about when trying to figure out who is superior!
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Since the my job function for the last 10 years includes both I am not sure what to answer...
John
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Hi all, Do you guys ever think which one of these species is superior? System administrators are pretending to be more superior to software engineers because they are the one who give us priviledges in our system, and ofcourse they are also making software deployment a nightmare :mad:. I hate these guys as they monitors our system using loggers and I don't know aaaaarrrrrggggghhh :mad:. I'm surprised :omg: that still these species coexist.;P
Regards, --=A J E E S H=--
People don't realise, that software developers have skills that can be applied to do something interesting or fun, whereas sysadmin just sit with their feet on a desk shouting at lower-level employees. And complaining about the amount of users getting past their !*&$y security system. Besides...here's some numbers between me and my friends, we know 1 software developer. and 0 sysadmins. the 1 software developer has a date :cool:, the 0 sysadmins dont therefore 100% of the software developers have a date but an infinite number (0/0=infinity) of sysadmins, do not. :laugh:
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Hi all, Do you guys ever think which one of these species is superior? System administrators are pretending to be more superior to software engineers because they are the one who give us priviledges in our system, and ofcourse they are also making software deployment a nightmare :mad:. I hate these guys as they monitors our system using loggers and I don't know aaaaarrrrrggggghhh :mad:. I'm surprised :omg: that still these species coexist.;P
Regards, --=A J E E S H=--
On my business card, it says "Systems Engineer" - trumps both of those other things :-D
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