So - was he Muslim?
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oilFactotum wrote:
there is clearly a difference between the terrorism of this shooter or the Columbine shooters and the terrorism of Timothy McVeigh or Hamas.
That seems a bit presumptuous. I don't believe we know enough at this point to draw any conclusions as to the motivation. It may turn out that his motivations were similar to those Hamas, or it may not.
My bet is "the voices in my head told me to do it". If that is the case, would the owner of the "voice" make any difference? :~
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Rob Graham wrote:
Why so?
Well we dont grow up with the idea of firearms being common in our community and I find the general US attitude towrads guns very foreign.
Rob Graham wrote:
Can't you purchase firearms legally in Australia? Even for sporting purposes
Yes and no. As far as I know you can have a shotgun (but not one that re-loads itself automatically) but there are very strict rules about where you can keep it etc. If you live in a city you have to be a member of a gun club and usually the guns are stored there. Gun owneship is not seen as a basic right here.
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Josh Gray wrote:
If you live in a city you have to be a member of a gun club and usually the guns are stored there. Gun owneship is not seen as a basic right here.
Are your people so stupid and helpless that they need to be controlled that strictly? I certainly don't think treating grown adults like children is going to solve any problems. It just kills me the way people are treated, the worst thing is that when you treat people like stupid sheep they tend to act like stupid sheep. Freedom is an absolute must and it must not be taken away, I can never stress this enough.
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Josh Gray wrote:
If you live in a city you have to be a member of a gun club and usually the guns are stored there. Gun owneship is not seen as a basic right here.
Are your people so stupid and helpless that they need to be controlled that strictly? I certainly don't think treating grown adults like children is going to solve any problems. It just kills me the way people are treated, the worst thing is that when you treat people like stupid sheep they tend to act like stupid sheep. Freedom is an absolute must and it must not be taken away, I can never stress this enough.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
treat people like stupid sheep they tend to act like stupid sheep
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Freedom
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Freedom
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Freedom
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Freedom
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Freedom
bah bah black sheep have you any wool?
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Josh Gray wrote:
If you live in a city you have to be a member of a gun club and usually the guns are stored there. Gun owneship is not seen as a basic right here.
Are your people so stupid and helpless that they need to be controlled that strictly? I certainly don't think treating grown adults like children is going to solve any problems. It just kills me the way people are treated, the worst thing is that when you treat people like stupid sheep they tend to act like stupid sheep. Freedom is an absolute must and it must not be taken away, I can never stress this enough.
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Josh Gray wrote:
If you live in a city you have to be a member of a gun club and usually the guns are stored there. Gun owneship is not seen as a basic right here.
Are your people so stupid and helpless that they need to be controlled that strictly? I certainly don't think treating grown adults like children is going to solve any problems. It just kills me the way people are treated, the worst thing is that when you treat people like stupid sheep they tend to act like stupid sheep. Freedom is an absolute must and it must not be taken away, I can never stress this enough.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Are your people so stupid and helpless that they need to be controlled that strictly?
We're not stupid enough to fail to see that the reason we have almost no mass killings and school shootings, is because our society is not full of guns.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Freedom is an absolute must and it must not be taken away, I can never stress this enough.
I value my freedom to know when I go shopping that no-one else in the mall has a gun.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Are your people so stupid and helpless that they need to be controlled that strictly?
We're not stupid enough to fail to see that the reason we have almost no mass killings and school shootings, is because our society is not full of guns.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Freedom is an absolute must and it must not be taken away, I can never stress this enough.
I value my freedom to know when I go shopping that no-one else in the mall has a gun.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
We're not stupid enough to fail to see that the reason we have almost no mass killings and school shootings, is because our society is not full of guns.
Are you sure that is the reason there are no mass murders? Perhaps it is the people them selves who know how to control them selves. Guns do not turn people into crazy killers. I'm sure if someone wanted to kill some people that the person could use a spear or crossbow or something. There are lots of tools that could be used to kill someone. A chainsaw would provoke more fear than a gun.
Christian Graus wrote:
I value my freedom to know when I go shopping that no-one else in the mall has a gun.
Just because someone has a gun that doesn't mean that person intends on killing or robbing someone.
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Josh Gray wrote:
I thought a cop shot him not a private citizen?
An off duty Cop who happened to be carrying his weapon...
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Christian Graus wrote:
We're not stupid enough to fail to see that the reason we have almost no mass killings and school shootings, is because our society is not full of guns.
Are you sure that is the reason there are no mass murders? Perhaps it is the people them selves who know how to control them selves. Guns do not turn people into crazy killers. I'm sure if someone wanted to kill some people that the person could use a spear or crossbow or something. There are lots of tools that could be used to kill someone. A chainsaw would provoke more fear than a gun.
Christian Graus wrote:
I value my freedom to know when I go shopping that no-one else in the mall has a gun.
Just because someone has a gun that doesn't mean that person intends on killing or robbing someone.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Perhaps it is the people them selves who know how to control them selves.
If you went to the same concerts I go to, you'd know that's not true :-)
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Guns do not turn people into crazy killers.
No, but a crazy person without a gun, is just crazy.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
'm sure if someone wanted to kill some people that the person could use a spear or crossbow or something.
True, but with a gun, it's easier. How many people do you think you could kill with a spear ? If you were at school and a guy went mental with a spear, what would you do ? How about a gun ? In the former case, I'd grab a chair and take him on. In the latter case, probably not.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
A chainsaw would provoke more fear than a gun.
Not to a rational person.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Just because someone has a gun that doesn't mean that person intends on killing or robbing someone.
If guns are illegal, then it means exactly that. In a society with lots of guns, it only takes one bad moment, and the opportunity is there to act on it. I wonder how many people here have a bad day, and get over it ? I wonder how many mass killers in the US, would just get over it, if they didn't have access to a gun ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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So if a Muslim commits a crime for which Fox news doesnt state a motive, it must be Jihad related and its because of those bloody lefties in the media that they wont publish the motive? Talk about damned if you do damned if you dont. And your solution is to carry a gun? Its no wonder people laugh at the paranoia in the US
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Josh Gray wrote:
And your solution is to carry a gun?
That, and proactively detaining all muslims, and nuke the middle east.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Are your people so stupid and helpless that they need to be controlled that strictly?
We're not stupid enough to fail to see that the reason we have almost no mass killings and school shootings, is because our society is not full of guns.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Freedom is an absolute must and it must not be taken away, I can never stress this enough.
I value my freedom to know when I go shopping that no-one else in the mall has a gun.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
"is because our society is not full of guns." There seems to be this common misconception amongst people who aren't from the US that every one here carries a gun on their hip like a John Wayne movie.
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"is because our society is not full of guns." There seems to be this common misconception amongst people who aren't from the US that every one here carries a gun on their hip like a John Wayne movie.
In 3 weeks I will make my 5th US visit. No, you don't all carry guns. But, there's a lot of guns out there, compared to Australia. And a lot more shootings, too.
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