Will Vista be the new ME?
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I admit I haven't tried, I just go by the public vibe. Where will Visa be in five years? A mature, recommendable OS on the fringe of "no longer supported", or something to giggle about and change the topic?
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Linkify!|Fold With Us!Vista will be a lot better then ME. ME was rushed too much and rather unstable. Vista however is very stable (at least on my machine) and looks way better too.
WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
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Vista has the status as "hobbist" os at the moment. The only people who installed it have done it purely for the pleasure of trying out something different. Normal users are waiting for it to become stable.
How I wish that was true! People who buy new computers today will be pushed hard to buy it with Vista. Soon they will have to pay extra to get XP.
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I admit I haven't tried, I just go by the public vibe. Where will Visa be in five years? A mature, recommendable OS on the fringe of "no longer supported", or something to giggle about and change the topic?
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Linkify!|Fold With Us!Unlike ME, Vista IMO is a serious operating system that MS have put all there efforts into and therefore I doubt they can afford to let it go the way of the dodo.
Ant. I'm hard, yet soft.
I'm coloured, yet clear.
I'm fruity and sweet.
I'm jelly, what am I? Muse on it further, I shall return! - David Walliams (Little Britain) -
Naah, as much as I am disappointed in Vista it isn't the box-pusher that ME was. Vista is a decent update for the user on Windows XP/2000. It isn't revolutionary for users and only just barely makes the evolutionary mark for users. Technically it is very shiny and no wonder Windows developers get excited and can't understand why the rest of us are left cold. I do think though that Microsoft would have been better releasing Vista 1.0 on a lower note. They could have then gone for the big public push with Vista 2.0. That would have let them had a chance to iron out the UAC issue, bed down the UI inconsistencies, get a few more "Vista only" apps and slip-in a few of the more interesting Vista features that didn't make it in 1.0. Obviously they wouldn't do that though as they need to get those OS sales in after a 5 year gap in a major new version. They seem to have put a lot of effort into the underlying technology and that will pay off in time. But they also seem to have run out of time in getting the overlaying technology working right. When I run Vista it does run better than Windows XP and I can almost feel the cleaner pipes, but I am also frustrated by UAC, the UI in general and had I paid the asking price I would have been asking myself many times a day "What is new that makes me more productive or have more fun?" I'd have been happier with Windows XP 2007 which featured the Vista core but functioned and looked like Windows XP with minor UI tweaks. Then in a year or two I'd be happy to upgrade to Windows ReVista which had that core, a new UI that actually brought benefits and a few new features such as the beginnings of WinFS and Monad. They wouldn't have done that either. Too much corporate, profit driven decision making going on for that. I know you know I use Mac OS X now but I do want Microsoft to do well with their operating systems. I want Mac OS X to have a competitor that challenges it and forces Apple to innovate. I want that feeling I got when Windows 95 came out and things really did change. But now Microsoft has a seemingly excellent core OS. Hopefully they use it well in the next Windows OS release. Vista ain't it though.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animal
Paul Watson wrote:
Monad.
Monad is done :)
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Paul Watson wrote:
Monad.
Monad is done :)
It isn't part of Vista. You have to install it separately and from the 5 minutes I spent looking I couldn't figure out how to make it the default shell in Vista. I want CMD.exe gone, dead, buried, never to be seen again and Monad to be the default shell.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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It isn't part of Vista. You have to install it separately and from the 5 minutes I spent looking I couldn't figure out how to make it the default shell in Vista. I want CMD.exe gone, dead, buried, never to be seen again and Monad to be the default shell.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Dont you think that monad (Powershell) is a bit slow to load.
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Dont you think that monad (Powershell) is a bit slow to load.
It is but I imagine if it is integrated into the OS then that first-load hit will come in the boot and not when you try and run the app.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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I admit I haven't tried, I just go by the public vibe. Where will Visa be in five years? A mature, recommendable OS on the fringe of "no longer supported", or something to giggle about and change the topic?
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Linkify!|Fold With Us!Actually, Vista was very obviously rushed out the door - or everyone at QA was drunk. The translators (at least for the German version) very obviously were kindergarten-kids making the occasional extra buck: In German, "Sie müssen" means "You have to" and "Sie müssen nicht" means "You do not have to". In English, "You must" means "You have to" and "You must not" means "You may not". And yes, they translated "must not" as "nicht müssen", giving people a hell of a time figuring out why, e.g. BitLocker, does not work as described. Additionally, there are missing genitive-s and plural-s all over the place (not just BitLocker), giving the German users the equivalent of "You should clean computer hard drive every two week" or "Pete bike is broken". Horrid - and somewhat hilarious.
Cheers, Sebastian -- Contra vim mortem non est medicamen in hortem.
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I admit I haven't tried, I just go by the public vibe. Where will Visa be in five years? A mature, recommendable OS on the fringe of "no longer supported", or something to giggle about and change the topic?
Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Velopers, Develprs, Developers!
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Linkify!|Fold With Us!What appalled me was, when I went to the Dell website to quote a customer for some computers, with most of their product lines they only offered Vista as the OS. Couldn't even get the computer with XP! That sucks. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
It isn't part of Vista. You have to install it separately and from the 5 minutes I spent looking I couldn't figure out how to make it the default shell in Vista. I want CMD.exe gone, dead, buried, never to be seen again and Monad to be the default shell.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Hmm,maybe if you fool the system file recovery of windows you can replace cmd with the exe of monad (renamed to cmd.exe of course). I used this trick to replace the default notepad in vista.
WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
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Actually, Vista was very obviously rushed out the door - or everyone at QA was drunk. The translators (at least for the German version) very obviously were kindergarten-kids making the occasional extra buck: In German, "Sie müssen" means "You have to" and "Sie müssen nicht" means "You do not have to". In English, "You must" means "You have to" and "You must not" means "You may not". And yes, they translated "must not" as "nicht müssen", giving people a hell of a time figuring out why, e.g. BitLocker, does not work as described. Additionally, there are missing genitive-s and plural-s all over the place (not just BitLocker), giving the German users the equivalent of "You should clean computer hard drive every two week" or "Pete bike is broken". Horrid - and somewhat hilarious.
Cheers, Sebastian -- Contra vim mortem non est medicamen in hortem.
There are errors - though not as serious as the ones you found - in the Italian translation too. And WHY OH WHY isn't there a WinXP theme? The Vista theme wastes a LOT of pixels for stupid things like window borders, and the w2k theme is so... well.. year 2k :D
Luca The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance.
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I admit I haven't tried, I just go by the public vibe. Where will Visa be in five years? A mature, recommendable OS on the fringe of "no longer supported", or something to giggle about and change the topic?
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Where will Visa be in five years? A mature, recommendable OS on the fringe of "no longer supported", or something to giggle about and change the topic?
Five years? Vista will be at the end of it's support cycle. Drama queens that two years before were yelling "Dell won't even sell a machine with my trusty ol' Vista anymore!" will be cozying up to the new version, realizing that - once again - the sky has indeed not fallen. :) Incidentally - the only situation in the past 15 years that has caused me to answer the question "Should I upgrade to the new version of Windows?" in the positive is when someone with Windows ME asked if they should upgrade to XP. All of the others were a resounding "No" from me - not because I thought the new version sucked necessarily, but because the folks who were asking me were getting along just fine in the old version. My mom: Win95 -> Win98 : "No, you just check email and browse the web. Leave it alone." Win98 -> WinME : "No, you just check email and browse the web. Leave it alone." WinME -> XP : "Good God yes - I'll come over and install XP Home for you." Win2k -> Vista : "No, you just check email and browse the web. Leave it alone." My sister: Win2k -> XP : "No, you just check email and browse the web. Leave it alone." Win2k -> ME : "No, that's not an upgrade." Win2k -> Vista : "No, you just check email and browse the web. Leave it alone."
"I hope he can see this, because I'm doing it as hard as I can" - Ignignot
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peterchen wrote:
Where will Visa be in five years? A mature, recommendable OS on the fringe of "no longer supported", or something to giggle about and change the topic?
Five years? Vista will be at the end of it's support cycle. Drama queens that two years before were yelling "Dell won't even sell a machine with my trusty ol' Vista anymore!" will be cozying up to the new version, realizing that - once again - the sky has indeed not fallen. :) Incidentally - the only situation in the past 15 years that has caused me to answer the question "Should I upgrade to the new version of Windows?" in the positive is when someone with Windows ME asked if they should upgrade to XP. All of the others were a resounding "No" from me - not because I thought the new version sucked necessarily, but because the folks who were asking me were getting along just fine in the old version. My mom: Win95 -> Win98 : "No, you just check email and browse the web. Leave it alone." Win98 -> WinME : "No, you just check email and browse the web. Leave it alone." WinME -> XP : "Good God yes - I'll come over and install XP Home for you." Win2k -> Vista : "No, you just check email and browse the web. Leave it alone." My sister: Win2k -> XP : "No, you just check email and browse the web. Leave it alone." Win2k -> ME : "No, that's not an upgrade." Win2k -> Vista : "No, you just check email and browse the web. Leave it alone."
"I hope he can see this, because I'm doing it as hard as I can" - Ignignot
I actually bought my mother WindowsXP Home for Christmas in 2003, just because I was sick and tired of the "family support calls". I used to drive over (50 km) about twice a week, just to fix something on the computer, in addition to the 1-2 times a week I visit her anyway. She is a primary school teacher, so she "needs" these nifty primary school teacher tools, which are able to "print in all caps" and "sum grades over month" and also usually a single monolithic PoC.
Cheers, Sebastian -- Contra vim mortem non est medicamen in hortem.
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I actually bought my mother WindowsXP Home for Christmas in 2003, just because I was sick and tired of the "family support calls". I used to drive over (50 km) about twice a week, just to fix something on the computer, in addition to the 1-2 times a week I visit her anyway. She is a primary school teacher, so she "needs" these nifty primary school teacher tools, which are able to "print in all caps" and "sum grades over month" and also usually a single monolithic PoC.
Cheers, Sebastian -- Contra vim mortem non est medicamen in hortem.
Sebastian Schneider wrote:
I actually bought my mother WindowsXP Home for Christmas in 2003, just because I was sick and tired of the "family support calls".
:laugh: I, too, paid for their XP Home license out of my own pocket if I remember correctly! I remember thinking "this is totally worth it..."
Sebastian Schneider wrote:
She is a primary school teacher, so she "needs" these nifty primary school teacher tools, which are able to "print in all caps" and "sum grades over month" and also usually a single monolithic PoC.
Printing in all-caps? Summing grades over a month? Sometimes I think I got into the wrong area of the software business :)
"I hope he can see this, because I'm doing it as hard as I can" - Ignignot
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What appalled me was, when I went to the Dell website to quote a customer for some computers, with most of their product lines they only offered Vista as the OS. Couldn't even get the computer with XP! That sucks. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithYup... That started about a month ago, and Dell has lost my company's business because of it.
"...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
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I admit I haven't tried, I just go by the public vibe. Where will Visa be in five years? A mature, recommendable OS on the fringe of "no longer supported", or something to giggle about and change the topic?
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something to giggle about and change the topic?
Think Microsoft 'Bob' in a shiny new lime-green polyester leisure suit.
"...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
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I admit I haven't tried, I just go by the public vibe. Where will Visa be in five years? A mature, recommendable OS on the fringe of "no longer supported", or something to giggle about and change the topic?
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Linkify!|Fold With Us!No absolutely not, no question at all. You don't seriously even consider that Microsoft would take a 10 billion dollar 5 year os and dump it with something else? I forsee possible updates and patches, but the core of it is here to stay. Besides which there is a hell of a lot more technology changes in vista than ME which was really a minor evolution.
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What appalled me was, when I went to the Dell website to quote a customer for some computers, with most of their product lines they only offered Vista as the OS. Couldn't even get the computer with XP! That sucks. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Marc Clifton wrote:
Couldn't even get the computer with XP! That sucks.
You seriously didn't think they were going to continue to sell the old os did you? :) Vista is better technology, why would you want a new pc with old technology?
John Cardinal wrote:
You seriously didn't think they were going to continue to sell the old os did you?
I expected to be given the choice. Silly me. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith