Microsoft Update 784 Megs...
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Why must it... give me vague information?
When I sent you the link for the product, I included, among other things, this warning: I recommend that you start with the PDF in the "documentation" directory and follow the instructions you find there TO THE LETTER. Print off the first 54 pages - I mean that, print them off - and do EXACTLY what they say. No more, no less. Ask questions as you go. We can talk about your other projects when you've finished that exercise. Otherwise, I can pretty much guarantee that you'll be disappointed. You failed to follow those simple instructions and were, as predicted, disappointed.
I'm talking about the error messages. When I compile a program that has syntax errors or other code errors that prevent the program from compiling I expect intricately detailed information including a line number. If it is not a syntax error then I would like to know why the code would not work and maybe even some suggestions on how to correct it like Visual Studio 2005. Also whats with buttons saying m'kay. LOL its like its for a 5 year old or something. Perhaps your lexical analysis algorithms are advanced and very capable but the overall product seem like a toy.
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I cant go up one directory, I cant drag and drop, I cant run it in a windows and use the rest of my system, the menus are not standard. I don't know what functions the program has but I can easily figure out what functions are likely going to be in the file menu, however when I want to do something in cal I have to search in all the letter buttons to find something. If I want to compile the program for instance where do I look, is it in B for Build? C for Compile? M for make EXE? Its a flawed concept and something very very few could ever get used to, its like 80s Mac to the extreme times 1000. If you want people to take your product seriously then stop treating developers like 8 year olds who never used a computer before.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
stop treating developers like 8 year olds who never used a computer before.
but he is the only adult in the world, to him the rest of everyone are children all going the wrong way and refusing to obey/listen to him. By the way, as I understand it, he disapproves of the current lexical analysis work out of the AI sector, so doesn't use lexical analysis in the true sense of the word -- his compiler doesn't understand what you type anymore than a C compiler understands what you wrote. It is basically a syntactical compiler like every other windows compiler, only does less, but uses an English syntax. Even he admits the world is better simplified so you don't need power, you don't need capability, you don't need your OS, you don't even need any other software, what you saw should be all you ever need, proof of concept or not, he claims less is more. Anyone who isn't happy with his way, should shut up and change because they are wrong and only he is right. Calling his compiler "lexical analysis" would be like calling the very first C-shell the same as the latest generation of Visual studio. But then the whole industry of AI is all going the wrong direction... you know, brain simulations and multi-path complex neuron interactions. True AI, true lexical analysis, is so blasé compared to doing the almost nothing as you saw.... You get more contempt for the universe than quality of product from Osmo.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I cant go up one directory, I cant drag and drop, I cant run it in a windows and use the rest of my system, the menus are not standard. I don't know what functions the program has but I can easily figure out what functions are likely going to be in the file menu, however when I want to do something in cal I have to search in all the letter buttons to find something. If I want to compile the program for instance where do I look, is it in B for Build? C for Compile? M for make EXE? Its a flawed concept and something very very few could ever get used to, its like 80s Mac to the extreme times 1000. If you want people to take your product seriously then stop treating developers like 8 year olds who never used a computer before.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I cant go up one directory
Yes you can, with mouse or keyboard. You just didn't do what you were told to do and so you don't know how. Remember, it's an alternative interface that comes with instructions.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I cant drag and drop
Not in our application; there's no need to do so. The interface is intentionally minimalist and there are other ways (mouse and keyboard) to accomplish the same ends.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I cant run it in a windows and use the rest of my system
As discussed above, you can use the rest of your system; you just can't see it when we're on top. Again, this is intentional - we're illustrating a possible replacement for the Window's desktop and therefore must obscure the competition to make our point.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
the menus are not standard
Of course; that's part of what "alternative" in "alternative interface" means. If everything was standard, well, it would be standard.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I don't know what functions the program has but I can easily figure out what functions are likely going to be in the file menu, however when I want to do something in cal I have to search in all the letter buttons to find something.
Not really. The menus are simply alphabetical. "Save", for example, is under "S".
Captain See Sharp wrote:
If I want to compile the program for instance where do I look, is it in B for Build? C for Compile? M for make EXE?
Well, "Compile" is under "C" and "Run" is under "R". Both create a fresh executable of your entire application - in less than three seconds. The normal technique is to use CTRL-R or ALT-R (either one) to test code under development; since a complete recreation is effected every time, you can be sure that the program you're testing and the one you'll eventually release are one and the same thing.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Its a flawed concept and something very very few could ever get used to,
You haven't seen the smiling faces of our users. We have.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
If you want people to ta
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I'm talking about the error messages. When I compile a program that has syntax errors or other code errors that prevent the program from compiling I expect intricately detailed information including a line number. If it is not a syntax error then I would like to know why the code would not work and maybe even some suggestions on how to correct it like Visual Studio 2005. Also whats with buttons saying m'kay. LOL its like its for a 5 year old or something. Perhaps your lexical analysis algorithms are advanced and very capable but the overall product seem like a toy.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
When I compile a program that has syntax errors or other code errors that prevent the program from compiling I expect intricately detailed information including a line number.
You don't need a line number; the editor is integrated with the compiler and the offending line is highlighted and scrolled onto the screen.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Also whats with buttons saying m'kay. LOL its like its for a 5 year old or something.
It's a joke, m'kay? Aren't we allowed to have a little fun, m'kay? You don't complain about CodeProject's childish mascot, m'kay, so lay off our buttons, m'kay?
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Perhaps your lexical analysis algorithms are advanced and very capable but the overall product seem like a toy.
Things don't have to be difficult to the sophisticated; and they don't have to be complicated to be "grown up". The thing is what we say it is, and it does what we say it does. It's small, efficient, and unique. Worthy of study - if one has an open mind about these things...
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
When I compile a program that has syntax errors or other code errors that prevent the program from compiling I expect intricately detailed information including a line number.
You don't need a line number; the editor is integrated with the compiler and the offending line is highlighted and scrolled onto the screen.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Also whats with buttons saying m'kay. LOL its like its for a 5 year old or something.
It's a joke, m'kay? Aren't we allowed to have a little fun, m'kay? You don't complain about CodeProject's childish mascot, m'kay, so lay off our buttons, m'kay?
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Perhaps your lexical analysis algorithms are advanced and very capable but the overall product seem like a toy.
Things don't have to be difficult to the sophisticated; and they don't have to be complicated to be "grown up". The thing is what we say it is, and it does what we say it does. It's small, efficient, and unique. Worthy of study - if one has an open mind about these things...
The Grand Negus wrote:
CodeProject's childish mascot
Oh allmighty Bob, I call upon your...err, mightiness?...strike thee the offender of...um, screw it. Bob, take care of Osmosian and his clan.
:badger:
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The Grand Negus wrote:
CodeProject's childish mascot
Oh allmighty Bob, I call upon your...err, mightiness?...strike thee the offender of...um, screw it. Bob, take care of Osmosian and his clan.
:badger:
Anton Afanasyev wrote:
Oh allmighty Bob, I call upon your...err, mightiness?...strike thee the offender of...um, screw it. Bob, take care of Osmosian and his clan.
I repent! I repent! I simply meant that labeling a button "m'kay" instead of "okay" is no more childish than a... a... what is that thing? PS. Almighty only has one "l".
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Anton Afanasyev wrote:
Oh allmighty Bob, I call upon your...err, mightiness?...strike thee the offender of...um, screw it. Bob, take care of Osmosian and his clan.
I repent! I repent! I simply meant that labeling a button "m'kay" instead of "okay" is no more childish than a... a... what is that thing? PS. Almighty only has one "l".
The Grand Negus wrote:
PS. Almighty only has one "l".
I bllame it on my keyboard.
:badger:
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So I switched from Windows Update to Microsoft Update (does the whole suite of Microsoft products). So I run the ActiveX control and comes back with 784 megs of updates.:omg: If I was on dial-up I'd be so screwed. Thankfully I had all of it pulled down in about 20 minutes but the install is still going and there's the pink bunny going back and forth on the screen pounding a drum. What's that all about?:laugh:
You have Visual Studio 2003 and 2005 installed and had not yet installed their service packs.
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
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Dude, I better get SVN and Tortoise up and running for all this code we're carving out. This could get ugly fast... Alas and never fear. Paul has a Mac and ruby, he can save us all.:rolleyes:
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We are not going to get anywhere without the right chips. I need some good salted corn tortilla chips with some fresh salsa. I love to belly up some chips and hot salsa prior to coding. At which point I like to belly up to an ice cold coke that I use to sip away my flaming mouth as I start constructing the players that bring together the game. But it's gotta start with food man or I'm dead before we even have the kick-off. Tostitos is good enough. Classic Coca Cola is a must (I've had thread locking, pessimistic errors any time Pepsi is around). Alright! We're off. Should be good like back in the day pulling all nighters (several in a row) getting stuff done for the prof so he could say, "Yeah, looks fine. It compiles." and you'd want to say "Dude but it compiles with style and flair..." except you really needed to belch out some chips and salsa and it wouldn't aid your case for sure...:cool:
Let me get ducktape and staples just to be sure. You never know when you need those during the process of eating chips, drinking coke and coding something that doesn't deserve even the slightest quality check ;P
WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
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code-frog wrote:
there's the pink bunny going back and forth on the screen pounding a drum. What's that all about?
Microsoft did a poll and found that people thought the BSOD was too impersonal and threatening. The bunny is the replacement, and when the bunny stops...
"...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
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Thats ridiculous, you should create your own update compression and installation system for MS.
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You have Visual Studio 2003 and 2005 installed and had not yet installed their service packs.
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
It's a bit of a longer story than that... Might have a few other Microsoft applications in there too...:-O
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So I switched from Windows Update to Microsoft Update (does the whole suite of Microsoft products). So I run the ActiveX control and comes back with 784 megs of updates.:omg: If I was on dial-up I'd be so screwed. Thankfully I had all of it pulled down in about 20 minutes but the install is still going and there's the pink bunny going back and forth on the screen pounding a drum. What's that all about?:laugh:
Not surprised a bit ... I HAD to buy a brand new Notebook Friday (the older one DIED :(( ) with Windows XP Media Center SP2 preinstalled. I later installed Office 2003, VS 2003, VS 2005, SQL 2005 ...and....STARTED DOWNLOADING patches.. Can't really tell the exact amount ok Mb I had to download in 2 DAYS, but it had to be over 2 GB Ciao Marco
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I cant go up one directory
Yes you can, with mouse or keyboard. You just didn't do what you were told to do and so you don't know how. Remember, it's an alternative interface that comes with instructions.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I cant drag and drop
Not in our application; there's no need to do so. The interface is intentionally minimalist and there are other ways (mouse and keyboard) to accomplish the same ends.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I cant run it in a windows and use the rest of my system
As discussed above, you can use the rest of your system; you just can't see it when we're on top. Again, this is intentional - we're illustrating a possible replacement for the Window's desktop and therefore must obscure the competition to make our point.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
the menus are not standard
Of course; that's part of what "alternative" in "alternative interface" means. If everything was standard, well, it would be standard.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I don't know what functions the program has but I can easily figure out what functions are likely going to be in the file menu, however when I want to do something in cal I have to search in all the letter buttons to find something.
Not really. The menus are simply alphabetical. "Save", for example, is under "S".
Captain See Sharp wrote:
If I want to compile the program for instance where do I look, is it in B for Build? C for Compile? M for make EXE?
Well, "Compile" is under "C" and "Run" is under "R". Both create a fresh executable of your entire application - in less than three seconds. The normal technique is to use CTRL-R or ALT-R (either one) to test code under development; since a complete recreation is effected every time, you can be sure that the program you're testing and the one you'll eventually release are one and the same thing.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Its a flawed concept and something very very few could ever get used to,
You haven't seen the smiling faces of our users. We have.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
If you want people to ta
The Grand Negus wrote:
Not in our application; there's no need to do so. The interface is intentionally minimalist and there are other ways (mouse and keyboard) to accomplish the same ends.
Drag n Drop is with the mouse.
This statement was never false.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Why must it... give me vague information?
When I sent you the link for the product, I included, among other things, this warning: I recommend that you start with the PDF in the "documentation" directory and follow the instructions you find there TO THE LETTER. Print off the first 54 pages - I mean that, print them off - and do EXACTLY what they say. No more, no less. Ask questions as you go. We can talk about your other projects when you've finished that exercise. Otherwise, I can pretty much guarantee that you'll be disappointed. You failed to follow those simple instructions and were, as predicted, disappointed.
The Grand Negus wrote:
You failed to follow those simple instructions are were, as predicted, disappointed.
You claim expertise in grammar. Is this a shining example?
This statement was never false.
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Anton Afanasyev wrote:
Oh allmighty Bob, I call upon your...err, mightiness?...strike thee the offender of...um, screw it. Bob, take care of Osmosian and his clan.
I repent! I repent! I simply meant that labeling a button "m'kay" instead of "okay" is no more childish than a... a... what is that thing? PS. Almighty only has one "l".
Actually it is. Bob is an icon. A logo associated with the site. m'kay is plagerism stealing from South Park and is utterly childish to have in a commercial product that's expected to revolutionise the computer industry.
This statement was never false.
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Actually it is. Bob is an icon. A logo associated with the site. m'kay is plagerism stealing from South Park and is utterly childish to have in a commercial product that's expected to revolutionise the computer industry.
This statement was never false.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
m'kay is plagerism stealing from South Park and is utterly childish to have in a commercial product that's expected to revolutionise the computer industry.
Well said!
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So I switched from Windows Update to Microsoft Update (does the whole suite of Microsoft products). So I run the ActiveX control and comes back with 784 megs of updates.:omg: If I was on dial-up I'd be so screwed. Thankfully I had all of it pulled down in about 20 minutes but the install is still going and there's the pink bunny going back and forth on the screen pounding a drum. What's that all about?:laugh:
Microsoft invested in internet backbone companies the week prior and 783mb of that is a reincarnation of a high definition clippy with DRM of course. They don't want anyone pirating clippy.
Todd Smith