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  • D Dan Neely

    My sister's a voice major, and my brother intends to major in sax performance. She endorses Finale, he prefers Sibelius.

    -- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.

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    Josh Smith
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    dan neely wrote:

    She endorses Finale, he prefers Sibelius.

    They both give good advice. :)

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    • M Marc Clifton

      My son needs to write down some of his violin compositions, and while he's done it on paper, he needs the ability to fiddle (no pun intended) with the timing, etc. Any recommendations for a program that lets you enter musical notation and perhaps play it via midi/built in audio? Thanks! Marc

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      Pete OHanlon
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      I use Sibelius[^] a lot. It's absolutely invaluable, and has some fantastic features such as checking rhythms and time signatures, and checking to ensure that you haven't noted impossible pitches. I can't recommend it highly enough. I also like Sonar[^] from Cakewalk. I first used it at version 2, and each version just gets better and better. It's particularly useful for me because I can mix in live instruments with MIDI with little to no fuss.

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      • M Marc Clifton

        My son needs to write down some of his violin compositions, and while he's done it on paper, he needs the ability to fiddle (no pun intended) with the timing, etc. Any recommendations for a program that lets you enter musical notation and perhaps play it via midi/built in audio? Thanks! Marc

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        People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
        There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
        People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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        toxcct
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        My voice for Cakewalk too. but it is a huge product, which is maybe too much for your need. maybe GuitarPro is ok then (no, it doesn't focus only on guitar :rolleyes: )


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        • L lost in transition

          Marc Clifton wrote:

          Any recommendations for a program

          HARK!! I hear someone in trouble...Here comes Google yepe:laugh: Google it, I bet there is, I used some years ago and nope I don't remember there names but they worked very nicely. God Bless, Jason

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          El Corazon
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          jason_lakewhitney wrote:

          I hear someone in trouble...Here comes Google yepe

          I don't like trying to predict his thoughts, but I expect, since the subject of music has come up many times, that he was hoping someone at CP had experience and favorites. Google produces many options, but always unclear what is best. User experience can cut down that evaluation time significantly. :-D

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          • M Marc Clifton

            My son needs to write down some of his violin compositions, and while he's done it on paper, he needs the ability to fiddle (no pun intended) with the timing, etc. Any recommendations for a program that lets you enter musical notation and perhaps play it via midi/built in audio? Thanks! Marc

            Thyme In The Country
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            People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
            There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
            People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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            Jim Crafton
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            Sibelius is really nice! Finale is for posers.

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            • R ricecake

              A long time ago I taught my mother how to use Noteworthy Composer[^], and it suited her OK (she is not very computer savvy). I have no idea if there is anything better out there or not, it's been a long long time since I've looked for this kind of software.

              -- Marcus Kwok

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              Mike Dimmick
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              I remember using it to assist a friend in composing his Music A-level final composition piece, in 1996. Trouble is, he was scoring it for virtually full orchestration, and you had to have a pretty expensive sound card to get one which supported enough simultaneous voices and notes to actually get a decent idea of what it would sound like. I think he now uses Sibelius.

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              • P Pete OHanlon

                I use Sibelius[^] a lot. It's absolutely invaluable, and has some fantastic features such as checking rhythms and time signatures, and checking to ensure that you haven't noted impossible pitches. I can't recommend it highly enough. I also like Sonar[^] from Cakewalk. I first used it at version 2, and each version just gets better and better. It's particularly useful for me because I can mix in live instruments with MIDI with little to no fuss.

                the last thing I want to see is some pasty-faced geek with skin so pale that it's almost translucent trying to bump parts with a partner - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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                hairy_hats
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                Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                I use Sibelius[^] a lot.

                I remember the happy days when Sibelius was first developed under RiscOS, and people were buying Acorns just to run it on... *sigh* :sigh: It was a knockout app then, sounds like it's only improved.

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                • E El Corazon

                  jason_lakewhitney wrote:

                  I hear someone in trouble...Here comes Google yepe

                  I don't like trying to predict his thoughts, but I expect, since the subject of music has come up many times, that he was hoping someone at CP had experience and favorites. Google produces many options, but always unclear what is best. User experience can cut down that evaluation time significantly. :-D

                  _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                  lost in transition
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                  Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

                  User experience can cut down that evaluation time significantly.

                  Yes, I know. I was just joking around:-D, if you recall I did give my user experience. Unfortunatly, I was unable to remember the names of the software I used over 10 years ago.:confused: It is hard at times to understand what some people are meaning when they post a thought, mainly because you can not see their face or hear their voice. Not to worry, I took you comment as only making a point, me too. God Bless, Jason

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                  • H hairy_hats

                    Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                    I use Sibelius[^] a lot.

                    I remember the happy days when Sibelius was first developed under RiscOS, and people were buying Acorns just to run it on... *sigh* :sigh: It was a knockout app then, sounds like it's only improved.

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                    Pete OHanlon
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                    Steve_Harris wrote:

                    I remember the happy days when Sibelius was first developed under RiscOS,

                    RiscOS - that's a blast from the past.

                    Steve_Harris wrote:

                    It was a knockout app then, sounds like it's only improved.

                    I couldn't agree more. Yes, it costs a little bit more than some of the competition, but it is definitely worth the extra.

                    the last thing I want to see is some pasty-faced geek with skin so pale that it's almost translucent trying to bump parts with a partner - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                    Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      My son needs to write down some of his violin compositions, and while he's done it on paper, he needs the ability to fiddle (no pun intended) with the timing, etc. Any recommendations for a program that lets you enter musical notation and perhaps play it via midi/built in audio? Thanks! Marc

                      Thyme In The Country
                      Interacx

                      People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                      There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                      People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                      J Dunlap
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                      There's Sibelius and Finale, as others have mentioned, but they're expensive. MagicScore[^] is a cheap one ($50) that has a lot of nice features and is easy to work with.

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                      • M Marc Clifton

                        My son needs to write down some of his violin compositions, and while he's done it on paper, he needs the ability to fiddle (no pun intended) with the timing, etc. Any recommendations for a program that lets you enter musical notation and perhaps play it via midi/built in audio? Thanks! Marc

                        Thyme In The Country
                        Interacx

                        People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                        There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                        People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                        Fernando A Gomez F
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                        Here are some ideas. [^] :cool:

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                        • M Marc Clifton

                          My son needs to write down some of his violin compositions, and while he's done it on paper, he needs the ability to fiddle (no pun intended) with the timing, etc. Any recommendations for a program that lets you enter musical notation and perhaps play it via midi/built in audio? Thanks! Marc

                          Thyme In The Country
                          Interacx

                          People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                          There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                          People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                          Ed Poore
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                          I vote as well for Sibelius, you can get an educational discount as well now.  Can't remember the details but Google for them.

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                          • D Dan Neely

                            My sister's a voice major, and my brother intends to major in sax performance. She endorses Finale, he prefers Sibelius.

                            -- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.

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                            Sebastian Schneider
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                            I am really curious (no pun or offense intended, I am asking in earnest), how hard is it to get a permanent, full-time job in the music business (not as in "Universal" and "Sony", but as in "orchestra" or "theatre")? I heard the competition is quite hard, and that it is very difficult to find something suitable.

                            Cheers, Sebastian -- Contra vim mortem non est medicamen in hortem.

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                            • P Pete OHanlon

                              Steve_Harris wrote:

                              I remember the happy days when Sibelius was first developed under RiscOS,

                              RiscOS - that's a blast from the past.

                              Steve_Harris wrote:

                              It was a knockout app then, sounds like it's only improved.

                              I couldn't agree more. Yes, it costs a little bit more than some of the competition, but it is definitely worth the extra.

                              the last thing I want to see is some pasty-faced geek with skin so pale that it's almost translucent trying to bump parts with a partner - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                              Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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                              hairy_hats
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                              Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                              RiscOS - that's a blast from the past.

                              From the present[^], actually. It had anti-aliased fonts and a taskbar of open applications when Windows was in short trousers. And you've always been able to skip copying a file that won't copy instead of stopping the whole action! :mad:

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                              • M Marc Clifton

                                My son needs to write down some of his violin compositions, and while he's done it on paper, he needs the ability to fiddle (no pun intended) with the timing, etc. Any recommendations for a program that lets you enter musical notation and perhaps play it via midi/built in audio? Thanks! Marc

                                Thyme In The Country
                                Interacx

                                People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                                People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                                Christopher Duncan
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                                Overture[^] is the only other one I can think of. Here's a couple of considerations. First, many of the major products are shipping with a bundled version of GPO (Garritan Personal Orchestra), making it very easy to play your scores. I ran an Internet radio station for the GPO folks for a while and can highly recommend that library, especially if it's bundled. Nice folks, too. The other thing to talk about is Cakewalk's Sonar. The notation and printing isn't as rich as products like Finale and Sibilius, but that's because it's a MIDI sequencer that has a staff view rather than a staff notation system that also speaks MIDI. That's not just a semantic difference. If you need to tweak the notation itself, get a notation program. However, if you want ultimate control over the MIDI playback of your score, in my opinion Sonar is the most powerful system out there for PCs. It's what I use in the studio for all my MIDI composition and editing. So, it's all good stuff. Just a matter of which directions your needs lie.

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                                  Overture[^] is the only other one I can think of. Here's a couple of considerations. First, many of the major products are shipping with a bundled version of GPO (Garritan Personal Orchestra), making it very easy to play your scores. I ran an Internet radio station for the GPO folks for a while and can highly recommend that library, especially if it's bundled. Nice folks, too. The other thing to talk about is Cakewalk's Sonar. The notation and printing isn't as rich as products like Finale and Sibilius, but that's because it's a MIDI sequencer that has a staff view rather than a staff notation system that also speaks MIDI. That's not just a semantic difference. If you need to tweak the notation itself, get a notation program. However, if you want ultimate control over the MIDI playback of your score, in my opinion Sonar is the most powerful system out there for PCs. It's what I use in the studio for all my MIDI composition and editing. So, it's all good stuff. Just a matter of which directions your needs lie.

                                  Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com

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                                  J Dunlap
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                                  Christopher Duncan wrote:

                                  First, many of the major products are shipping with a bundled version of GPO (Garritan Personal Orchestra), making it very easy to play your scores. I ran an Internet radio station for the GPO folks for a while and can highly recommend that library, especially if it's bundled. Nice folks, too.

                                  I'll second that - very high quality, for a good price. Can't beat it if you're looking for affordable high-quality instrument samples. :)

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                                  • M Marc Clifton

                                    My son needs to write down some of his violin compositions, and while he's done it on paper, he needs the ability to fiddle (no pun intended) with the timing, etc. Any recommendations for a program that lets you enter musical notation and perhaps play it via midi/built in audio? Thanks! Marc

                                    Thyme In The Country
                                    Interacx

                                    People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                    There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                                    People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                                    Hi Marc, There's a relatively new product on the market, which I think might be called Notion. I haven't tried it myself, but it comes with a built in orchestral sample set and a soft synth, so it can play back scores with a decent level of realism. As someone else has mentioned, Sibelius is very popular for professional scoring, but most good sequencers (Cubase / Logic / Cakewalk) also offer very good scoring facilities, in addition to full audio recording and mixing capabilities if those might be of use to your son.

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                                    • M Marc Clifton

                                      My son needs to write down some of his violin compositions, and while he's done it on paper, he needs the ability to fiddle (no pun intended) with the timing, etc. Any recommendations for a program that lets you enter musical notation and perhaps play it via midi/built in audio? Thanks! Marc

                                      Thyme In The Country
                                      Interacx

                                      People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                      There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                                      People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                                      Bassam Abdul Baki
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                                      Try Sheet Music Software[^].


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