codeproject leech site...
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I was doing a google search for the application ForestPad that I put up on The Code Project a couple of years ago and I noticed that another site, manbu dot net, seems to be screen scraping code project and delivering the content of articles as if they originated at manbu. Then they are using google adsense on the page to make money off of The Code Project and my article (among many others, of course). This seems slimy to me but is it even legal? Even though I provided the article as an open source thing to Code Project, can a third party just copy the article and code verbatim, strip out information regarding the author, and publish it as their own? An example link is below: link I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts on this. Thanks, Timothy Timothy Lee Russell http://www.anatone.net
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I was doing a google search for the application ForestPad that I put up on The Code Project a couple of years ago and I noticed that another site, manbu dot net, seems to be screen scraping code project and delivering the content of articles as if they originated at manbu. Then they are using google adsense on the page to make money off of The Code Project and my article (among many others, of course). This seems slimy to me but is it even legal? Even though I provided the article as an open source thing to Code Project, can a third party just copy the article and code verbatim, strip out information regarding the author, and publish it as their own? An example link is below: link I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts on this. Thanks, Timothy Timothy Lee Russell http://www.anatone.net
It's absolutely illegal. I'm getting legal advice on how best to proceed.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I was doing a google search for the application ForestPad that I put up on The Code Project a couple of years ago and I noticed that another site, manbu dot net, seems to be screen scraping code project and delivering the content of articles as if they originated at manbu. Then they are using google adsense on the page to make money off of The Code Project and my article (among many others, of course). This seems slimy to me but is it even legal? Even though I provided the article as an open source thing to Code Project, can a third party just copy the article and code verbatim, strip out information regarding the author, and publish it as their own? An example link is below: link I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts on this. Thanks, Timothy Timothy Lee Russell http://www.anatone.net
lol, their download links points to CP downloads!! I think it's illegal; CM will surely look into it.
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It's absolutely illegal. I'm getting legal advice on how best to proceed.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Thanks Chris, It looks like the site is overseas, so I imagine that it is difficult to deal with from a legal perspective. In my mind, this is the worst type of abuse. Taking the best intentions of the wonderful people who build this community and exploiting it for personal gain. Timothy Lee Russell www.anatone.net
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It's absolutely illegal. I'm getting legal advice on how best to proceed.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
A Whois investigation gives the following info. Looks like some chinese website.
[Querying whois.internic.net] [Redirected to whois.bizcn.com] [Querying whois.bizcn.com] [whois.bizcn.com] The data in this whois database is provided to you for information purposes only, that is, to assist you in obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration record. We make this information available "as is," and do not guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a whois query, you agree that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and that, under no circumstances will you use this data to: (1) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that stress or load this whois database system providing you this information; or (2) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via direct mail, electronic mail, or by telephone. The compilation, repackaging, dissemination or other use of this data is expressly prohibited without prior written consent from us. We reserve the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by these terms. Domain name: manbu.net Registrant Contact: mingpu mingpu su manbu.support@gmail.com 023-65456382 fax: 023-65456382 chongqing xietai zhi chongqing chongqing 400044 cn Administrative Contact: mingpu su manbu.support@gmail.com 023-65456382 fax: 023-65456382 chongqing xietai zhi chongqing chongqing 400044 cn Technical Contact: mingpu su manbu.support@gmail.com 023-65456382 fax: 023-65456382 chongqing xietai zhi chongqing chongqing 400044 cn Billing Contact: mingpu su manbu.support@gmail.com 023-65456382 fax: 023-65456382 chongqing xietai zhi chongqing chongqing 400044 cn DNS: ns1.4everdns.com ns2.4everdns.com Created: 2003-05-29 Expires: 2008-05-29Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage Tech Gossips
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I was doing a google search for the application ForestPad that I put up on The Code Project a couple of years ago and I noticed that another site, manbu dot net, seems to be screen scraping code project and delivering the content of articles as if they originated at manbu. Then they are using google adsense on the page to make money off of The Code Project and my article (among many others, of course). This seems slimy to me but is it even legal? Even though I provided the article as an open source thing to Code Project, can a third party just copy the article and code verbatim, strip out information regarding the author, and publish it as their own? An example link is below: link I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts on this. Thanks, Timothy Timothy Lee Russell http://www.anatone.net
As stated before, it is completely illegal for us. But non Western countries may not enforce this. If Chris Makes a break through then he should make sure to have every poster file a case against them for damages.
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It's absolutely illegal. I'm getting legal advice on how best to proceed.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Why not check the referer and then show a page "you have tried to access the download from an unauthorized site, please go to codeproject.com"
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It's absolutely illegal. I'm getting legal advice on how best to proceed.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Hey Chris, As you'd surely have noticed, they are directly linking to the CP images, so they are also stealing CP bandwidth. Maybe you could redirect all file requests from their domain to the badger-badger song - that will teach those rotten bastards a lesson :-D
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*) -
Hey Chris, As you'd surely have noticed, they are directly linking to the CP images, so they are also stealing CP bandwidth. Maybe you could redirect all file requests from their domain to the badger-badger song - that will teach those rotten bastards a lesson :-D
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)What've you got against :badger:s, Nish :)?
Software Zen:
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Hey Chris, As you'd surely have noticed, they are directly linking to the CP images, so they are also stealing CP bandwidth. Maybe you could redirect all file requests from their domain to the badger-badger song - that will teach those rotten bastards a lesson :-D
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*) -
Hey Chris, As you'd surely have noticed, they are directly linking to the CP images, so they are also stealing CP bandwidth. Maybe you could redirect all file requests from their domain to the badger-badger song - that will teach those rotten bastards a lesson :-D
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Maybe you could redirect all file requests from their domain to the badger-badger song
Gah! I'd only just got that one out of my head. Badger-badger-badger-mushroom-mushroom... argh, it's back! :laugh:
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I was doing a google search for the application ForestPad that I put up on The Code Project a couple of years ago and I noticed that another site, manbu dot net, seems to be screen scraping code project and delivering the content of articles as if they originated at manbu. Then they are using google adsense on the page to make money off of The Code Project and my article (among many others, of course). This seems slimy to me but is it even legal? Even though I provided the article as an open source thing to Code Project, can a third party just copy the article and code verbatim, strip out information regarding the author, and publish it as their own? An example link is below: link I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts on this. Thanks, Timothy Timothy Lee Russell http://www.anatone.net
Actually, now I've gone to look for it, I'm wondering how the source code for my BabyKeyboardBash application - only posted on CodeProject - has ended up on the following two Chinese sites too: Link 1[^] Link 2[^] Interestingly, links to my articles (with my name still attached), appear on DevAsp.net, hivewiki.com, codeguru.cn, manbu.net (of course), and ecodebank.com, as well as yagah.sonance.net, www.codeproject.com.look-for.us, pagebang.com and securebar.secure-tunnel.com, which all seem to be crawlers that actually display a copy of the Code Project site. (I decided not to include direct links rather than give any of these sites further ratings with search engines)
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Hey Chris, As you'd surely have noticed, they are directly linking to the CP images, so they are also stealing CP bandwidth. Maybe you could redirect all file requests from their domain to the badger-badger song - that will teach those rotten bastards a lesson :-D
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)Nish, I would tell the other way round. For all such image requests and source downloads, give a download of EICAR.com from here: http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm[^] With such frequent viruses, search engines will give a warning to the users. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2006/08/google_to_warn_of_badware_site.html[^] Just kidding. But we have teach them how much disgusting is plagiarism.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage Tech Gossips
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It's absolutely illegal. I'm getting legal advice on how best to proceed.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
If they are legally out-of-reach due to their country-of-orgin, you may wish to ask the legal advisor as to what types of punishment you may (legally) unleash upon them. With all of the clever software people congregating around here can produce, I'd imagine some pretty imaginative and just retribution might be doled out. As a for-example, I have an SMTP mailer that allows mailing of N copies of a message, with real (spoofed, or random) return address which was created/used to convince an organization to take me off their mailing list. Many proper request were simply ignored. When they received the multi-request with the message: "You have ignored my requests to drop me from your mailing list. If 100 reminders to stop aren't enough, I can and will send a lot more." They cooperated immediately. Not at all a denial-of-service attack, but rather, an attention getting mechanism from those who otherwise won't be bothered with cooperating. Sometimes, the white-hat has to make use of the black-hat's weapons. Not all will agree, I'm sure - and would think me evil for the previous paragraph's contents. Would this violate the philosphy behind CP or reinforce it? Within the limits of the law, their's a lot to be said for pragmatism. Balboos
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
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If they are legally out-of-reach due to their country-of-orgin, you may wish to ask the legal advisor as to what types of punishment you may (legally) unleash upon them. With all of the clever software people congregating around here can produce, I'd imagine some pretty imaginative and just retribution might be doled out. As a for-example, I have an SMTP mailer that allows mailing of N copies of a message, with real (spoofed, or random) return address which was created/used to convince an organization to take me off their mailing list. Many proper request were simply ignored. When they received the multi-request with the message: "You have ignored my requests to drop me from your mailing list. If 100 reminders to stop aren't enough, I can and will send a lot more." They cooperated immediately. Not at all a denial-of-service attack, but rather, an attention getting mechanism from those who otherwise won't be bothered with cooperating. Sometimes, the white-hat has to make use of the black-hat's weapons. Not all will agree, I'm sure - and would think me evil for the previous paragraph's contents. Would this violate the philosphy behind CP or reinforce it? Within the limits of the law, their's a lot to be said for pragmatism. Balboos
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
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If there are other ways, that's great. I only meant to introduce the suggestion within the concept of their being not other ways. It's philosophically very touchy, reaching well beyond the computer world. For myself, at least, I have not and then considered where the proper balance is between remaining true to a particular philosophy vs. a (true) greater good. How much is my decision influenced by ego (from either point of view). Somewhat off topic. Much like a Sci-Fi short I saw, some time ago: a person sent back in history to kill Hitler's mother before he was born. Presupposing that it would avert the horrid consequences of his existence, is it ethical? Or, closer to reality, I've been asked (as a vegetarian for 30+ years) if trapped on an island, would I rather starve than eat meat? When asked this, the only decent answer I could give was - 'whatever I say now isn't worth anything, since I'm neither stranded nor starving.' I'm way off topic, that's for sure, but I understand the position. The theft of intellectual property is not life-threatening, so how much response is worth how much soul-tarnishing . . . if it is soul tarnishing. (Grin followed by thoughtful look). Balboos -- modified at 6:47 Monday 5th March, 2007
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
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If there are other ways, that's great. I only meant to introduce the suggestion within the concept of their being not other ways. It's philosophically very touchy, reaching well beyond the computer world. For myself, at least, I have not and then considered where the proper balance is between remaining true to a particular philosophy vs. a (true) greater good. How much is my decision influenced by ego (from either point of view). Somewhat off topic. Much like a Sci-Fi short I saw, some time ago: a person sent back in history to kill Hitler's mother before he was born. Presupposing that it would avert the horrid consequences of his existence, is it ethical? Or, closer to reality, I've been asked (as a vegetarian for 30+ years) if trapped on an island, would I rather starve than eat meat? When asked this, the only decent answer I could give was - 'whatever I say now isn't worth anything, since I'm neither stranded nor starving.' I'm way off topic, that's for sure, but I understand the position. The theft of intellectual property is not life-threatening, so how much response is worth how much soul-tarnishing . . . if it is soul tarnishing. (Grin followed by thoughtful look). Balboos -- modified at 6:47 Monday 5th March, 2007
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
Balboos wrote:
Or, closer to reality, I've been asked (as a vegetarian for 30+ years) if trapped on an island, would I rather starve than eat meat? When asked this, the only decent answer I could give was - 'whatever I say now isn't worth anything, since I'm neither stranded nor starving.'
Well said. It really bugs me when people make self righteous proclamations about how they'd act in life or death situations. While sometimes it's clear that they'd actually do what they said, in most cases it's obvious that they're just sounding off without having really thought through the consequences, or even knowing they're BSing to build themselves up.
-- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.
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Hey Chris, As you'd surely have noticed, they are directly linking to the CP images, so they are also stealing CP bandwidth. Maybe you could redirect all file requests from their domain to the badger-badger song - that will teach those rotten bastards a lesson :-D
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*) -
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I'm pretty sure you can issue a take-down request a little farther upstream from them, and have the ISP itself removed from DNS servers if they don't take care of it. No ISP I've ever seen wants to be taken off the air, so this might be an effective tactic.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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