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Bradml wrote:
I endure PHP jokes to no end but make a few ASP.net ones and get voted down by a few small minded people. It isn't a question of location, it is a question of respect.
This has become very common. There is plenty of knee-jerk voting going on and I think we just need to ignore whenever we get downvoted for no reason. But I totally agree with you that it irritates a lot. But I keep wondering why they do it.. What is the pleasure they get by downvoting for no reason..
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I voted you down just to see if the banner would change colors. You had no votes, but was red, but a different color of red, so I assumed you did a trick to do that. Just curiosity--I happen to agree with you.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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There's such a thing as PHP jokes?
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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Bradml wrote:
I endure PHP jokes to no end but make a few ASP.net ones and get voted down by a few small minded people. It isn't a question of location, it is a question of respect.
This has become very common. There is plenty of knee-jerk voting going on and I think we just need to ignore whenever we get downvoted for no reason. But I totally agree with you that it irritates a lot. But I keep wondering why they do it.. What is the pleasure they get by downvoting for no reason..
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero ப்ரம்மா
I completely ignored the guy who voted every one of my posts down the other day, because I don't have time to worry about one little idiot, but the fact that people are doing this as part of the community is very frustrating.
Brad Australian - Bradml on "MVP Status" If this was posted in a programming board please rate my answer
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I voted you down just to see if the banner would change colors. You had no votes, but was red, but a different color of red, so I assumed you did a trick to do that. Just curiosity--I happen to agree with you.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Joe Woodbury wrote:
You had no votes, but was red,
Dont tell me that you didn't know how. Haven't you seen people having their name in blue, orange, green etc., colors? <font color=red> brahmma </font> will do the trick. :)
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
You had no votes, but was red,
Dont tell me that you didn't know how. Haven't you seen people having their name in blue, orange, green etc., colors? <font color=red> brahmma </font> will do the trick. :)
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On names, but it didn't occur to me that it would work on titles. I assumed Chris would have done something to prevent that. On the bright side, you can make the title gray and vote down your own posts before anyone else!
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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What do you call ASP.net without functionality?
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
I was thinking more on the lines of "PHP walks into a bar..."
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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On names, but it didn't occur to me that it would work on titles. I assumed Chris would have done something to prevent that. On the bright side, you can make the title gray and vote down your own posts before anyone else!
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
It won't work on post titles. There is no way you could make your title red, or gray unless you are given 5 votes or 1 votes, respectively.
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It won't work on post titles. There is no way you could make your title red, or gray unless you are given 5 votes or 1 votes, respectively.
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero ப்ரம்மா
Hmm, then there must be a subtle bug that made your post title come out red to me without any recorded votes.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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I was thinking more on the lines of "PHP walks into a bar..."
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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I completely ignored the guy who voted every one of my posts down the other day, because I don't have time to worry about one little idiot, but the fact that people are doing this as part of the community is very frustrating.
Brad Australian - Bradml on "MVP Status" If this was posted in a programming board please rate my answer
Bradml wrote:
but the fact that people are doing this as part of the community is very frustrating
I'm not saying you're wrong, but, ahem, we've experienced a single individual creating, umm, multiple accounts to, err, downvote pages and pages of forums. When I visited those forums for the first time, my reaction was "What the hell happened in here?" :wtf:
Cheers, Vikram.
The cold will freeze our stares We won't care...
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Bradml wrote:
I endure PHP jokes to no end but make a few ASP.net ones and get voted down by a few small minded people. It isn't a question of location, it is a question of respect.
This has become very common. There is plenty of knee-jerk voting going on and I think we just need to ignore whenever we get downvoted for no reason. But I totally agree with you that it irritates a lot. But I keep wondering why they do it.. What is the pleasure they get by downvoting for no reason..
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero ப்ரம்மா
brahmma wrote:
knee-jerk voting
Drive-by 1-voting. :-D
Cheers, Vikram.
The cold will freeze our stares We won't care...
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I totally disagree. Competition is very healthy and the more competition both companies have, the better it is for consumers. The software you use today is of the quality it is because of competition. Do you even know what it was like when IBM ran the show? Or when UNIX companies charged $5000 for utter crap software? Twenty-one years ago, I was taking CAD classes at University using hardware that took up a closet, required several people to maintain and cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Today, I can buy CAD software at Walmart for $49 that is massively more powerful than the best CAD software of 1986. One of those CAD systems had a whopping 5MB hard disk with a platter pack that was eighteen inches in diameter and about six inches tall. You placed the pack in a box that was three feet tall and which shook like crazy when spun up. Do you think any of this would have happened without competition? We all joke about how Microsoft, Google, Apple, Adobe, etc. software is bad, but in truth, it's remarkably good by historical standards. It can do things we could barely dream of in the 80s. I can remember having Windows 3.x lock up constantly and crashing the Mac just because I copied too many files to floppies. The reality is that without competition between Apple and Microsoft, the Macintosh and Windows would not be where they are today. If Google and Microsoft were friends, their software would stagnate. GMail would never get out of beta (until Google actually has to use it as a revenue source and compete against Yahoo, it probably never will.) In truth, the biggest problem with Google and Microsoft is they don't have enough quality competitors. For example, if the Mac had even, say, 25% market share, I can guarantee Vista would be more stable and of higher quality. Other examples: AMD created the awesome Athlon 64 because of competition with Intel, not in spite of it. In response, Intel created the even more awesome Core Duo. Would Boeing have created the 777 and the expanded body 747 (with new wings) without Airbus? Hondas are probably the highest quality the average person can afford. Without competition, they'd be no better than Ladas. Finally, I'm a big fan of the desktop, but there are plenty of applications that either have a strong web component or are completely web based. This is especially true in company intranets. Even apps that are best as desktop apps, may be appropriate as web apps for casual users. (One thing to make clear, though, is that many so-called web apps are r
Joe Woodbury wrote:
they'd be no better than Ladas
Hey, Ladas are good cars. Well, if made/handled properly anyway...
:badger:
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Bradml wrote:
but the fact that people are doing this as part of the community is very frustrating
I'm not saying you're wrong, but, ahem, we've experienced a single individual creating, umm, multiple accounts to, err, downvote pages and pages of forums. When I visited those forums for the first time, my reaction was "What the hell happened in here?" :wtf:
Cheers, Vikram.
The cold will freeze our stares We won't care...
They would have to go to great lengths to do that, and if they have that little of a life then they can have whatever pleasure they get from voting me down.
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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brahmma wrote:
knee-jerk voting
Drive-by 1-voting. :-D
Cheers, Vikram.
The cold will freeze our stares We won't care...
Gee! Knee-Jerk voting is different. Here the *votist* is focussed on an individual or a few individuals, whereas Drive-by 1-voting involves shit-dropping throught the forums, parsing through each and every possible post. :-D
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I totally disagree. Competition is very healthy and the more competition both companies have, the better it is for consumers. The software you use today is of the quality it is because of competition. Do you even know what it was like when IBM ran the show? Or when UNIX companies charged $5000 for utter crap software? Twenty-one years ago, I was taking CAD classes at University using hardware that took up a closet, required several people to maintain and cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Today, I can buy CAD software at Walmart for $49 that is massively more powerful than the best CAD software of 1986. One of those CAD systems had a whopping 5MB hard disk with a platter pack that was eighteen inches in diameter and about six inches tall. You placed the pack in a box that was three feet tall and which shook like crazy when spun up. Do you think any of this would have happened without competition? We all joke about how Microsoft, Google, Apple, Adobe, etc. software is bad, but in truth, it's remarkably good by historical standards. It can do things we could barely dream of in the 80s. I can remember having Windows 3.x lock up constantly and crashing the Mac just because I copied too many files to floppies. The reality is that without competition between Apple and Microsoft, the Macintosh and Windows would not be where they are today. If Google and Microsoft were friends, their software would stagnate. GMail would never get out of beta (until Google actually has to use it as a revenue source and compete against Yahoo, it probably never will.) In truth, the biggest problem with Google and Microsoft is they don't have enough quality competitors. For example, if the Mac had even, say, 25% market share, I can guarantee Vista would be more stable and of higher quality. Other examples: AMD created the awesome Athlon 64 because of competition with Intel, not in spite of it. In response, Intel created the even more awesome Core Duo. Would Boeing have created the 777 and the expanded body 747 (with new wings) without Airbus? Hondas are probably the highest quality the average person can afford. Without competition, they'd be no better than Ladas. Finally, I'm a big fan of the desktop, but there are plenty of applications that either have a strong web component or are completely web based. This is especially true in company intranets. Even apps that are best as desktop apps, may be appropriate as web apps for casual users. (One thing to make clear, though, is that many so-called web apps are r
We would not have had IE 7, if not firefox was there! (Microsoft would have stopped working on IE.. and IE 5.5 would have been the latest version, which would have been a nightmare.) X|
Joe Woodbury wrote:
For example, if the Mac had even, say, 25% market share, I can guarantee Vista would be more stable and of higher quality.
Nicely put.
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Microsoft & Google should cease fire This is a very personal idea or decision, but I think they could be two great powers in the world, if they were not attacking each other's territory. Microsoft is best on desktop and Google on web. It's like Boeing produces a car to compete with General Motors. I hate watching Google creating software's that has less quality than Microsoft's software's, and also Microsoft doing just the same on the web, and the result: a lot of resources like genus energy, a lot of money, invaluable time, etc is wasted every year in US for a competition that is just beneficial for newspapers or other news media. A competition that does not lead to a better software or any improvement of any kind. Just dream for a second, that the two companies were friends. What a strong power could be created in the world of software. Both would be more focused, and the result was a set of perfect products for end users. I believe no one can do all things together, but seems that some one doesn't understand it, and I still read a lot of articles in newspaper about a new competition. Some newspapers are thinking just to their own benefits. I still see some newspaper trying to convince users that application will be replaced by web sites. What a stupid idea. These are newsmakers not newspapers.
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Greed stops them from being friends, just my 0.02. :D
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What do you call ASP.net without functionality?
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
Bradml wrote:
What do you call ASP.net without functionality?
Java Server Pages.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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I totally disagree. Competition is very healthy and the more competition both companies have, the better it is for consumers. The software you use today is of the quality it is because of competition. Do you even know what it was like when IBM ran the show? Or when UNIX companies charged $5000 for utter crap software? Twenty-one years ago, I was taking CAD classes at University using hardware that took up a closet, required several people to maintain and cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Today, I can buy CAD software at Walmart for $49 that is massively more powerful than the best CAD software of 1986. One of those CAD systems had a whopping 5MB hard disk with a platter pack that was eighteen inches in diameter and about six inches tall. You placed the pack in a box that was three feet tall and which shook like crazy when spun up. Do you think any of this would have happened without competition? We all joke about how Microsoft, Google, Apple, Adobe, etc. software is bad, but in truth, it's remarkably good by historical standards. It can do things we could barely dream of in the 80s. I can remember having Windows 3.x lock up constantly and crashing the Mac just because I copied too many files to floppies. The reality is that without competition between Apple and Microsoft, the Macintosh and Windows would not be where they are today. If Google and Microsoft were friends, their software would stagnate. GMail would never get out of beta (until Google actually has to use it as a revenue source and compete against Yahoo, it probably never will.) In truth, the biggest problem with Google and Microsoft is they don't have enough quality competitors. For example, if the Mac had even, say, 25% market share, I can guarantee Vista would be more stable and of higher quality. Other examples: AMD created the awesome Athlon 64 because of competition with Intel, not in spite of it. In response, Intel created the even more awesome Core Duo. Would Boeing have created the 777 and the expanded body 747 (with new wings) without Airbus? Hondas are probably the highest quality the average person can afford. Without competition, they'd be no better than Ladas. Finally, I'm a big fan of the desktop, but there are plenty of applications that either have a strong web component or are completely web based. This is especially true in company intranets. Even apps that are best as desktop apps, may be appropriate as web apps for casual users. (One thing to make clear, though, is that many so-called web apps are r
Dear Joe, No one said competition is bad. I totally agree that any, any industry with one leader alone, result in more expensive and less quality products, BUT What I am trying to put on the table here is the fact that Microsoft's competitor should not be Google. It should be Mac, Linux, UNIX, etc. and for Google, it is Yahoo, etc. We all have heard about the Google trying to create an OS. I think this leads to a large group of useless software's or web sites. How many times do you use "Google word"? How many times you do "MSN Search"? I believe Google can not create a Word better than MS does, neither Microsoft can do a better search engine. And what happens if they do? We'll have two very good version of the same thing. But if MS continues his software, they might invent something new and so does Google. I mean if a runner team compete a basketball team, yes they might improve, both of them, but isn't it silly? Doing this type of competition leads to losing our goals. We focus on beating the competitor, instead of doing a great job, Instead of innovating. The results here are not better products. Anyway, this is what I believe and might be wrong.
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They are large corporations, they will never be friends, they are heading in the same directions. If you have not noticed, the desktop world is slowly vanishing... One day, almost all applications will reside on the web!
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No, at least, not most of them do. The following is a list of some jokes I can imagine in a world without software: 1- A pilot in an Apache Helicopter is trying to shoot an enemy while encounters: Web server is currently down. We are sorry for the inconvenience, but we are up 99% of the time. It is we are off 1% of a year which means more than 3 days a year, and today is one of them ;) Please stand by… 2- A man under a real time web site (!) and a surgery machine that got mad because a hacker is trying to display his name on the main page, instead of patient's living signals. 3- A bank in countryside is unable to run a telephony system, since they have to run a web server first, and that will increase the price. 4- I can not imagine a game server that renders that huge graphics for all 1000 guys connected to play online with very weak machines. 5- Intel will no longer produces P4 for desktop, because we don't need any such power, servers do the job. Neither we need any more GDI, so forget nVidia, Does we actually need a so large H.D.D, Guys be realistic, please. 6- I take my Video/Audio CD to listen with a friend, he has a computer. In order to watch the movie or listen to our music, we shall first open IE, then go to a website which supports playing music's, pay for internet and phone, engage a server, transfer a large amount of data to listen our favorite music. I really hope servers don't be busy, otherwise we will have to wait or listen to a fragmented music. 7- Your house is in fire, you take your cell phone and quickly call firehouse, but remember, your cell phone does not use an app, and instead it loads a website: Err. We are currently updating servers and uploading new content. This will take only some minutes… Thanks for your connection, please try again later. Regards, your mobile phone service provider. All in all, I don't understand what's wrong with our local applications that have auto update, to move them to a server instead? Think a bout the difference between a website and an application. They are acting similar, but the difference is that a website needs to load all required data from a remote server as a page is requested, but the local app loads data from server as it needs. If you ask me, applications are far more advanced in technology, but websites are for other needs. I believe we shall not mix them. -- modified at 7:20 Thursday 8th March, 2007
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Microsoft & Google should cease fire This is a very personal idea or decision, but I think they could be two great powers in the world, if they were not attacking each other's territory. Microsoft is best on desktop and Google on web. It's like Boeing produces a car to compete with General Motors. I hate watching Google creating software's that has less quality than Microsoft's software's, and also Microsoft doing just the same on the web, and the result: a lot of resources like genus energy, a lot of money, invaluable time, etc is wasted every year in US for a competition that is just beneficial for newspapers or other news media. A competition that does not lead to a better software or any improvement of any kind. Just dream for a second, that the two companies were friends. What a strong power could be created in the world of software. Both would be more focused, and the result was a set of perfect products for end users. I believe no one can do all things together, but seems that some one doesn't understand it, and I still read a lot of articles in newspaper about a new competition. Some newspapers are thinking just to their own benefits. I still see some newspaper trying to convince users that application will be replaced by web sites. What a stupid idea. These are newsmakers not newspapers.
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