Vista: things I like [modified]
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Chris Maunder wrote:
It boots faster than XP for me.
I think I remember reading that it only goes to standby for the standard "shutdown" and then hibernates... I could be wrong.
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no, the shutdown is the same as in XP really. It's the hibernate that's interesting - it dumps all the memory to a file, just like XP does, but goes into a power-savings mode (the PC seems off, for me at least, as the temperature monitor I have on the case turns off), but it's consumign tiny amount of power and the resume from hibernate is uber fast. [rant] of course, this doesn't help the Windows Explorer (not ie) problem [/rant] actually, the rant is ongoing until they fix it;P
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Chris Maunder wrote:
It boots faster than XP for me.
I think I remember reading that it only goes to standby for the standard "shutdown" and then hibernates... I could be wrong.
Brad Australian - Captain See Sharp on "Religion" any half intelligent person can come to the conclusion that pink unicorns do not exist.
Not sure what you mean. Standby works as usual and actually seems significantly faster than in XP.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Not sure what you mean. Standby works as usual and actually seems significantly faster than in XP.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I remember reading that to give the appearance of shutdown Vista went into standby or hibernate instead. As I said this may be wrong.
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Well, when you press shutdown is just turns off your monitor (sorta like standby) and then does the shutdown procedure, if thats what you mean...:confused:
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He means he owns an evaluation version of Vista that was dispatched on 2002.:-D [Brad this is joke, please dont shoot me]:sigh:
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VuNic wrote:
[Brad this is joke, please dont shoot me]:sigh:
*Puts shotgun back into cabinet* No i just read it somewhere, maybe it was way back...
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In the spirit of being balanced here are the things I do like about Vista.
- It boots faster than XP for me.
- The Mac-like window minimise/restore effect
- The biggy: with the GPU now being used the screen is drawn faster and smoother.
- Small config tweaks such as those for the taskbar and desktop items. A tiny thing, but to whoever did it: I noticed.
- The new "My Computer" window.
- The breadcrumb trail in Explorer. And the best bit? Click on it and you get the traditional path that you can copy and paste or edit.
- Popup previews of windows minimised in the taskbar
- Driver discovery seems very polished and unobtrusive
- The Start Menu search box. Excellent idea.
- The concept of UAC. Not the implementation, though.
- The 'Description' column in the Processes tab of the Task Manager (nice!) and the new "Services" tab.
Any others? One more: Hit F2 to rename a file and only the name, not the extension, is selected. Attention to the small things will win me over every time. -- modified at 6:56 Sunday 11th March, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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In the spirit of being balanced here are the things I do like about Vista.
- It boots faster than XP for me.
- The Mac-like window minimise/restore effect
- The biggy: with the GPU now being used the screen is drawn faster and smoother.
- Small config tweaks such as those for the taskbar and desktop items. A tiny thing, but to whoever did it: I noticed.
- The new "My Computer" window.
- The breadcrumb trail in Explorer. And the best bit? Click on it and you get the traditional path that you can copy and paste or edit.
- Popup previews of windows minimised in the taskbar
- Driver discovery seems very polished and unobtrusive
- The Start Menu search box. Excellent idea.
- The concept of UAC. Not the implementation, though.
- The 'Description' column in the Processes tab of the Task Manager (nice!) and the new "Services" tab.
Any others? One more: Hit F2 to rename a file and only the name, not the extension, is selected. Attention to the small things will win me over every time. -- modified at 6:56 Sunday 11th March, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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In the spirit of being balanced here are the things I do like about Vista.
- It boots faster than XP for me.
- The Mac-like window minimise/restore effect
- The biggy: with the GPU now being used the screen is drawn faster and smoother.
- Small config tweaks such as those for the taskbar and desktop items. A tiny thing, but to whoever did it: I noticed.
- The new "My Computer" window.
- The breadcrumb trail in Explorer. And the best bit? Click on it and you get the traditional path that you can copy and paste or edit.
- Popup previews of windows minimised in the taskbar
- Driver discovery seems very polished and unobtrusive
- The Start Menu search box. Excellent idea.
- The concept of UAC. Not the implementation, though.
- The 'Description' column in the Processes tab of the Task Manager (nice!) and the new "Services" tab.
Any others? One more: Hit F2 to rename a file and only the name, not the extension, is selected. Attention to the small things will win me over every time. -- modified at 6:56 Sunday 11th March, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
- Favorite links shown in explorer
- Desktop background changes as we click on photos
- Displaying a lot of information about hardware (e.g. pressing details in Copy/Move window)
- Hundreds of ways to sort items in a folder
- Scoring computer hardware
- Easier and better networking (Easy share, meeting space, people near me, etc)
- Better support for drivers
- Super great reports for system administrators (Performance information...->advanced tools)
- Ever needed auto play in control panel
- Desktop in Alt+Tab (This is not comparable with Win+D, compare it when there is a modal dialog open in an app)
- Recycle bin is rename-able
- Image tags displayed in info pane in windows photo gallery (And my wish to see the Redwood State Park in California)
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How many of those could have been in XP SP3?
Silly. If they did that, how many features would be left over for the next version of Windows?
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In the spirit of being balanced here are the things I do like about Vista.
- It boots faster than XP for me.
- The Mac-like window minimise/restore effect
- The biggy: with the GPU now being used the screen is drawn faster and smoother.
- Small config tweaks such as those for the taskbar and desktop items. A tiny thing, but to whoever did it: I noticed.
- The new "My Computer" window.
- The breadcrumb trail in Explorer. And the best bit? Click on it and you get the traditional path that you can copy and paste or edit.
- Popup previews of windows minimised in the taskbar
- Driver discovery seems very polished and unobtrusive
- The Start Menu search box. Excellent idea.
- The concept of UAC. Not the implementation, though.
- The 'Description' column in the Processes tab of the Task Manager (nice!) and the new "Services" tab.
Any others? One more: Hit F2 to rename a file and only the name, not the extension, is selected. Attention to the small things will win me over every time. -- modified at 6:56 Sunday 11th March, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
One more: Hit F2 to rename a file and only the name, not the extension, is selected.
Finally!
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In the spirit of being balanced here are the things I do like about Vista.
- It boots faster than XP for me.
- The Mac-like window minimise/restore effect
- The biggy: with the GPU now being used the screen is drawn faster and smoother.
- Small config tweaks such as those for the taskbar and desktop items. A tiny thing, but to whoever did it: I noticed.
- The new "My Computer" window.
- The breadcrumb trail in Explorer. And the best bit? Click on it and you get the traditional path that you can copy and paste or edit.
- Popup previews of windows minimised in the taskbar
- Driver discovery seems very polished and unobtrusive
- The Start Menu search box. Excellent idea.
- The concept of UAC. Not the implementation, though.
- The 'Description' column in the Processes tab of the Task Manager (nice!) and the new "Services" tab.
Any others? One more: Hit F2 to rename a file and only the name, not the extension, is selected. Attention to the small things will win me over every time. -- modified at 6:56 Sunday 11th March, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
[party poopper mode]
Chris Maunder wrote:
It boots faster than XP for me.
Not me. And I have nothing loaded on the Vista machine and lots loaded on the XP machine, and the hardware for the Vista machine is better.
Chris Maunder wrote:
The Mac-like window minimise/restore effect
I find it gives me motion sickness feeling. Same with a Mac. Not sure why, because games like Doom, which people have said gives them vertigo, never bothered me.
Chris Maunder wrote:
with the GPU now being used the screen is drawn faster and smoother.
Never really noticed a problem on XP.
Chris Maunder wrote:
A tiny thing
Indeed.
Chris Maunder wrote:
The new "My Computer" window.
Different. Mac'ish. Better? Don't know.
Chris Maunder wrote:
The breadcrumb trail in Explorer. And the best bit? Click on it and you get the traditional path that you can copy and paste or edit.
Nice. However, the fact that you can click on it and get the traditional path is not obvious. Bad UI design, IMO.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Popup previews of windows minimised in the taskbar
Agreed.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Driver discovery seems very polished and unobtrusive
No experience with adding things. I'm afraid to. In fact, I'm going to buy a small router and run a wire over to the Vista box where I moved it yesterday rather than a USB wireless thingy because I don't want to deal with the hassle of hardware incompatability with Vista.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Hit F2 to rename a file and only the name, not the extension, is selected.
What!?!?! Does it occur to people that one of the things that I (and therefore the only one) tend to do is rename things to ".bak"??? WTF? You call this attention to small things? [/party poopper mode] Marc
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Chris Maunder wrote:
It boots faster than XP for me.
Not me. And I have nothing loaded on the Vista machine and lots loaded on the XP machine, and the hardware for the Vista machine is better.
Chris Maunder wrote:
The Mac-like window minimise/restore effect
I find it gives me motion sickness feeling. Same with a Mac. Not sure why, because games like Doom, which people have said gives them vertigo, never bothered me.
Chris Maunder wrote:
with the GPU now being used the screen is drawn faster and smoother.
Never really noticed a problem on XP.
Chris Maunder wrote:
A tiny thing
Indeed.
Chris Maunder wrote:
The new "My Computer" window.
Different. Mac'ish. Better? Don't know.
Chris Maunder wrote:
The breadcrumb trail in Explorer. And the best bit? Click on it and you get the traditional path that you can copy and paste or edit.
Nice. However, the fact that you can click on it and get the traditional path is not obvious. Bad UI design, IMO.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Popup previews of windows minimised in the taskbar
Agreed.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Driver discovery seems very polished and unobtrusive
No experience with adding things. I'm afraid to. In fact, I'm going to buy a small router and run a wire over to the Vista box where I moved it yesterday rather than a USB wireless thingy because I don't want to deal with the hassle of hardware incompatability with Vista.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Hit F2 to rename a file and only the name, not the extension, is selected.
What!?!?! Does it occur to people that one of the things that I (and therefore the only one) tend to do is rename things to ".bak"??? WTF? You call this attention to small things? [/party poopper mode] Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commentMarc Clifton wrote:
that one of the things that I (and therefore the only one) tend to do is rename things to ".bak"??? WTF? You call this attention to small things?
Number of keypresses hasn't changed for you...
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- Favorite links shown in explorer
- Desktop background changes as we click on photos
- Displaying a lot of information about hardware (e.g. pressing details in Copy/Move window)
- Hundreds of ways to sort items in a folder
- Scoring computer hardware
- Easier and better networking (Easy share, meeting space, people near me, etc)
- Better support for drivers
- Super great reports for system administrators (Performance information...->advanced tools)
- Ever needed auto play in control panel
- Desktop in Alt+Tab (This is not comparable with Win+D, compare it when there is a modal dialog open in an app)
- Recycle bin is rename-able
- Image tags displayed in info pane in windows photo gallery (And my wish to see the Redwood State Park in California)
Hamed Mosavi wrote:
Desktop in Alt+Tab (This is not comparable with Win+D, compare it when there is a modal dialog open in an app)
I gotta admit, that one impressed me too. It's the sort of thing that gives me hope of someone, somewhere at Microsoft, actually using these operating systems after release.
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In the spirit of being balanced here are the things I do like about Vista.
- It boots faster than XP for me.
- The Mac-like window minimise/restore effect
- The biggy: with the GPU now being used the screen is drawn faster and smoother.
- Small config tweaks such as those for the taskbar and desktop items. A tiny thing, but to whoever did it: I noticed.
- The new "My Computer" window.
- The breadcrumb trail in Explorer. And the best bit? Click on it and you get the traditional path that you can copy and paste or edit.
- Popup previews of windows minimised in the taskbar
- Driver discovery seems very polished and unobtrusive
- The Start Menu search box. Excellent idea.
- The concept of UAC. Not the implementation, though.
- The 'Description' column in the Processes tab of the Task Manager (nice!) and the new "Services" tab.
Any others? One more: Hit F2 to rename a file and only the name, not the extension, is selected. Attention to the small things will win me over every time. -- modified at 6:56 Sunday 11th March, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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In the spirit of being balanced here are the things I do like about Vista.
- It boots faster than XP for me.
- The Mac-like window minimise/restore effect
- The biggy: with the GPU now being used the screen is drawn faster and smoother.
- Small config tweaks such as those for the taskbar and desktop items. A tiny thing, but to whoever did it: I noticed.
- The new "My Computer" window.
- The breadcrumb trail in Explorer. And the best bit? Click on it and you get the traditional path that you can copy and paste or edit.
- Popup previews of windows minimised in the taskbar
- Driver discovery seems very polished and unobtrusive
- The Start Menu search box. Excellent idea.
- The concept of UAC. Not the implementation, though.
- The 'Description' column in the Processes tab of the Task Manager (nice!) and the new "Services" tab.
Any others? One more: Hit F2 to rename a file and only the name, not the extension, is selected. Attention to the small things will win me over every time. -- modified at 6:56 Sunday 11th March, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Let's just take one of these.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Hit F2 to rename a file and only the name, not the extension, is selected.
How would any normal person even discover such a "feature"? The correct solution is to do away with the file extension requirement altogether - let the system examine a file to determine its type. Then we can not only get rid of this new "feature", but the hide/show extensions option (wherever it now resides) as well. Not to mention eliminating ugly file names where the first part looks like normal text but the ending looks like something from the DOS era: "My normal file name.TXT". Oh wait - that is something from the DOS era! There's little virtue in praising a "feature" that shouldn't be required in the first place! With each new release, the operating system should do more for us, not give us more ways of doing the same old onerous things! Then it would be something we could recommend to friends and family.
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In the spirit of being balanced here are the things I do like about Vista.
- It boots faster than XP for me.
- The Mac-like window minimise/restore effect
- The biggy: with the GPU now being used the screen is drawn faster and smoother.
- Small config tweaks such as those for the taskbar and desktop items. A tiny thing, but to whoever did it: I noticed.
- The new "My Computer" window.
- The breadcrumb trail in Explorer. And the best bit? Click on it and you get the traditional path that you can copy and paste or edit.
- Popup previews of windows minimised in the taskbar
- Driver discovery seems very polished and unobtrusive
- The Start Menu search box. Excellent idea.
- The concept of UAC. Not the implementation, though.
- The 'Description' column in the Processes tab of the Task Manager (nice!) and the new "Services" tab.
Any others? One more: Hit F2 to rename a file and only the name, not the extension, is selected. Attention to the small things will win me over every time. -- modified at 6:56 Sunday 11th March, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
The concept of UAC. Not the implementation, though.
UAC is indeed a bit weird in the way they implemented it. And it gets weirder, microsoft stated that it isn't a security feature. This strikes me as they haven't found a 100% good working solution yet. Last wednesday at info support I attended a presentation in which they explained what UAC and MIC do in Windows Vista. It was rather hilarious to see how MS implemented their setup program detection.
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Let's just take one of these.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Hit F2 to rename a file and only the name, not the extension, is selected.
How would any normal person even discover such a "feature"? The correct solution is to do away with the file extension requirement altogether - let the system examine a file to determine its type. Then we can not only get rid of this new "feature", but the hide/show extensions option (wherever it now resides) as well. Not to mention eliminating ugly file names where the first part looks like normal text but the ending looks like something from the DOS era: "My normal file name.TXT". Oh wait - that is something from the DOS era! There's little virtue in praising a "feature" that shouldn't be required in the first place! With each new release, the operating system should do more for us, not give us more ways of doing the same old onerous things! Then it would be something we could recommend to friends and family.
While i agree with that... It's really a dead issue. File contents can be and often are ambiguous - some piece of metadata is needed to explicitly indicate what sort of a file it is. The file name itself is probably the most stable and universal metadata available. So extensions remain, for pragmatic reasons. And yeah, it's down-right amusing to see praise for a feature that would have been considered "minor" even in the days of DOS file managers... But, at least Microsoft's finally borrowing a few features from the better DOS file managers. Maybe they'll work their way up to "batch rename"... :rolleyes:
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While i agree with that... It's really a dead issue. File contents can be and often are ambiguous - some piece of metadata is needed to explicitly indicate what sort of a file it is. The file name itself is probably the most stable and universal metadata available. So extensions remain, for pragmatic reasons. And yeah, it's down-right amusing to see praise for a feature that would have been considered "minor" even in the days of DOS file managers... But, at least Microsoft's finally borrowing a few features from the better DOS file managers. Maybe they'll work their way up to "batch rename"... :rolleyes:
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Shog9 wrote:
While i agree with that... It's really a dead issue.
I strongly disagree - it's the way of the future. People are already demanding file recognition systems in two very important places: recognizing spam, and recognizing viruses. In the former, it's a convenience; in the latter, it's a necessity. If a system can recognize spam and viruses, recognizing executables and documents should be a trivial matter. Our development system, for example, does not require file extensions and ignores those that appear. As a "proof of concept" we handle source files, documents created with our page editor, and various kinds of graphics files; all others are treated as "other". The files are examined to determine the appropriate actions to be taken.
Shog9 wrote:
some piece of metadata is needed to explicitly indicate what sort of a file it is. The file name itself is probably the most stable and universal metadata available.
I'm amazed that an intelligent programmer like you has so little understanding (or respect) for the concept of orthogonality. The proper name of something, and its kind, are not directly related; using the one to indicate the other is simply bad practice. If you insist on metadata for file types, at least keep it out of the name - put it in a "type" field. Okay, "Shog male person gold status sitebuilder member"?
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In the spirit of being balanced here are the things I do like about Vista.
- It boots faster than XP for me.
- The Mac-like window minimise/restore effect
- The biggy: with the GPU now being used the screen is drawn faster and smoother.
- Small config tweaks such as those for the taskbar and desktop items. A tiny thing, but to whoever did it: I noticed.
- The new "My Computer" window.
- The breadcrumb trail in Explorer. And the best bit? Click on it and you get the traditional path that you can copy and paste or edit.
- Popup previews of windows minimised in the taskbar
- Driver discovery seems very polished and unobtrusive
- The Start Menu search box. Excellent idea.
- The concept of UAC. Not the implementation, though.
- The 'Description' column in the Processes tab of the Task Manager (nice!) and the new "Services" tab.
Any others? One more: Hit F2 to rename a file and only the name, not the extension, is selected. Attention to the small things will win me over every time. -- modified at 6:56 Sunday 11th March, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
I like the right click on the taskbar to bring up the task manager without having to hit ctrl-alt-delete and I also like the shift right click on the explorer window to open a command prompt at that folder. There are a *ton* of things buried in there that are pretty slick but not immediately apparent. I've just become confident enough in that start menu search box to start using it instead of hunting for buried programs. I like typing calc and hitting enter to open the calculator or word and enter etc for word. It's pretty slick: every program is one click and an enter key away without having to hunt through the start menu.
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Shog9 wrote:
While i agree with that... It's really a dead issue.
I strongly disagree - it's the way of the future. People are already demanding file recognition systems in two very important places: recognizing spam, and recognizing viruses. In the former, it's a convenience; in the latter, it's a necessity. If a system can recognize spam and viruses, recognizing executables and documents should be a trivial matter. Our development system, for example, does not require file extensions and ignores those that appear. As a "proof of concept" we handle source files, documents created with our page editor, and various kinds of graphics files; all others are treated as "other". The files are examined to determine the appropriate actions to be taken.
Shog9 wrote:
some piece of metadata is needed to explicitly indicate what sort of a file it is. The file name itself is probably the most stable and universal metadata available.
I'm amazed that an intelligent programmer like you has so little understanding (or respect) for the concept of orthogonality. The proper name of something, and its kind, are not directly related; using the one to indicate the other is simply bad practice. If you insist on metadata for file types, at least keep it out of the name - put it in a "type" field. Okay, "Shog male person gold status sitebuilder member"?
The Grand Negus wrote:
I'm amazed that an intelligent programmer like you has so little understanding (or respect) for the concept of orthogonality.
It's not that i don't understand and respect it. It's that i've seen so many people actively working against it. On a Windows system, you can have as much metadata as you want... the OS and most apps just ignore it. Send it through HTTP, you can have a MIME type (and limited format negotiation)... however, the vast number of systems with broken webservers and broken browsers make this unreliable. Head over to *nix, and you're back to file extensions (except for executables, which rely on a special attribute and the OS's ability to examine the file and determine its type). Even if one of these systems implemented a reliable metadata system, it'd be lost when transferring files. That's what i mean when i say the filename is stable - it's the only thing (apart from the file contents) that's actually preserved. It's the lowest-common denominator. That said, i love to see a system working to overcome this limitation. Using file analysis, MIME types, and extensions as hints, tagging files locally with the derived types. In their usual half-assed manner, Microsoft has taken various steps in this direction, and each time has been forced to backtrack, as lack of communication with the user - or even other parts of the system - resulted in mistakes, confusion, and security holes (telling the user that a file is an image or plain text, while treating it as an executable...) So, until there is a coordinated effort on the part of system designers to address this problem, i'd just as soon see them stick with what works - the lowest-common denominator of filenames - than stab ineffectually at a more intelligent system.
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