Two choices, Which one will you choose if you were me?
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Choice A: 1, Learn a new program language - Java, I am familiar with MS languages, like C++, C#, VB, ASP.NET, but know little about Java. 2, If I want to stay in department A, I have to learn Java. Choice B: 1, Go to department B, because the languages department B used are MS languages. 2, But the manager of department B is a narrow guy, so you know... Which one will you choose if you were me?:)
What kind of Java development? Seriously, it makes a difference. Java is a fine language but there is a lot more to Java development than just the language. If you get stuck in an EJB, J2EE situation then you might regret it. At work I face a similar situation (no narrow bosses though) and I have had to fight to make sure that we use Java smartly. In this case GRails and Groovy for web-dev.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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Choice A: 1, Learn a new program language - Java, I am familiar with MS languages, like C++, C#, VB, ASP.NET, but know little about Java. 2, If I want to stay in department A, I have to learn Java. Choice B: 1, Go to department B, because the languages department B used are MS languages. 2, But the manager of department B is a narrow guy, so you know... Which one will you choose if you were me?:)
I think you should go to department B. As I think you might be good enough MS languages so you can proove your self better in that field. As well as impress her ;). And that manager why you taking him much seriously. Just ignor him through ur heart and you be the happy. And ya learning java is also a good thing but for that you need some time.
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Choice A: 1, Learn a new program language - Java, I am familiar with MS languages, like C++, C#, VB, ASP.NET, but know little about Java. 2, If I want to stay in department A, I have to learn Java. Choice B: 1, Go to department B, because the languages department B used are MS languages. 2, But the manager of department B is a narrow guy, so you know... Which one will you choose if you were me?:)
Forget the language wars.
WuJunyin wrote:
Anton Afanasyev wrote: And, of course, depends on how much you dislike the manager in dept. B. Very much.
Really, I think you just answered your own question!
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Choice A: 1, Learn a new program language - Java, I am familiar with MS languages, like C++, C#, VB, ASP.NET, but know little about Java. 2, If I want to stay in department A, I have to learn Java. Choice B: 1, Go to department B, because the languages department B used are MS languages. 2, But the manager of department B is a narrow guy, so you know... Which one will you choose if you were me?:)
If you know C# you will pick up Java very quickly (as they are not too far from identical). As others have said and will say it will take time to get to expert standard. I'm no Java programmer, but armed with a solid handle on C# and my trusty "Java 2 Complete", I have taken on and completed Java projects to a standard where I have got return work. If you like manager A then I'd say your not in for that much of a learning curve. HTH
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Choice A: 1, Learn a new program language - Java, I am familiar with MS languages, like C++, C#, VB, ASP.NET, but know little about Java. 2, If I want to stay in department A, I have to learn Java. Choice B: 1, Go to department B, because the languages department B used are MS languages. 2, But the manager of department B is a narrow guy, so you know... Which one will you choose if you were me?:)
Well break it down: Choice A: Learn a new language that is not in your comfort zone Choice B: Emotional intrigue from above and inside the department.
I would look at it as a chance to learn a new language that will give me insight to my favorite subject, programming. When you learn a new language, it gives you insights to the underlining ideas that govern all coding languages. The interaction between your code to the hardware and/or OS becomes clearer and clearer the more that you use other languages as well as your own preferred platform. Each language has standard techniques which can usually be applied to another language, giving you more tools to solve unique problems. As for the girl, just start a conversation with her, get to know her and start meeting her for lunch.
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At the end of the day what matters more than language, managers, co workers, etc etc is your interest in the project. Managers come and go, most OO languages are really just an abstraction of the same old ideas. Pick the one that you think will give you the motivation to get out of bed on friday mornings.
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Josh Gray wrote:
At the end of the day what matters more than language, managers, co workers, etc etc is your interest in the project. Managers come and go, most OO languages are really just an abstraction of the same old ideas.
Well said! I'd agree with that. One thing that might be nice about learning Java is that it'll probably reintroduce you to OO concepts that you might have forgotten or glossed over when learning C++/C# (btw, C++ isn't an MS language..!). You're bound to increase your overall software design/development skills, or your code-qi, let's say. I'd always take the opportunity to learn something new... unless it was, say, Cobol. 祝你好运。
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Choice A: 1, Learn a new program language - Java, I am familiar with MS languages, like C++, C#, VB, ASP.NET, but know little about Java. 2, If I want to stay in department A, I have to learn Java. Choice B: 1, Go to department B, because the languages department B used are MS languages. 2, But the manager of department B is a narrow guy, so you know... Which one will you choose if you were me?:)
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What kind of Java development? Seriously, it makes a difference. Java is a fine language but there is a lot more to Java development than just the language. If you get stuck in an EJB, J2EE situation then you might regret it. At work I face a similar situation (no narrow bosses though) and I have had to fight to make sure that we use Java smartly. In this case GRails and Groovy for web-dev.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Paul Watson wrote:
What kind of Java development? Seriously, it makes a difference. Java is a fine language but there is a lot more to Java development than just the language. If you get stuck in an EJB, J2EE situation then you might regret it.
That's true... I think EJB has improved somewhat. Last summer, where I worked we used Spring and Hibernate rather than playing with EJBs, since there was too much extra baggage with them. Coding web-apps all the time does get tedious, when it's in any kind of Java though. And then writing user-acceptance tests for all of it. Yeesh! It was a great job, though, since the way the team worked was pretty interesting - introduced me to extreme programming, which is quite fun. So methodology in the different departments is an important factor too.
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Paul Watson wrote:
What kind of Java development? Seriously, it makes a difference. Java is a fine language but there is a lot more to Java development than just the language. If you get stuck in an EJB, J2EE situation then you might regret it.
That's true... I think EJB has improved somewhat. Last summer, where I worked we used Spring and Hibernate rather than playing with EJBs, since there was too much extra baggage with them. Coding web-apps all the time does get tedious, when it's in any kind of Java though. And then writing user-acceptance tests for all of it. Yeesh! It was a great job, though, since the way the team worked was pretty interesting - introduced me to extreme programming, which is quite fun. So methodology in the different departments is an important factor too.
hehe I am a web-dev and love coding web-apps. Currently doing it in Ruby on Rails but looking at GRails which uses Groovy (extended Java really), Hibernate, Spring and all that. We also do agile dev (not XP) here and I like it.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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Choice A: 1, Learn a new program language - Java, I am familiar with MS languages, like C++, C#, VB, ASP.NET, but know little about Java. 2, If I want to stay in department A, I have to learn Java. Choice B: 1, Go to department B, because the languages department B used are MS languages. 2, But the manager of department B is a narrow guy, so you know... Which one will you choose if you were me?:)
Choice A - there is a lot more to a career than coding.
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Choice A: 1, Learn a new program language - Java, I am familiar with MS languages, like C++, C#, VB, ASP.NET, but know little about Java. 2, If I want to stay in department A, I have to learn Java. Choice B: 1, Go to department B, because the languages department B used are MS languages. 2, But the manager of department B is a narrow guy, so you know... Which one will you choose if you were me?:)
Again with that subject line :p Learn Java, it will serve you will. Actually except for the niggling differences they are the same lanauge. The API's are different but so close as to be effectively similar anyway. The biggest challenge you will run into is the quality of the Visual Designers. MS IDE's are far superior :p but Java is a better language with better casing and they but there curly braces in the right spot.
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Choice C Move to a new job, which you decide what to program in.
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I agree! There are too many high paying jobs in Microsoft technologies to waste time working in those technologies you do not want to use. It is enough just keeping up with Microsoft's stuff. If a person want to move into other technologies, that is fine, but if you really like the skills you have, why waste time to be a beginner in another one. Of course, if the market should shift and that was a desired path, then getter done!
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Choice A: 1, Learn a new program language - Java, I am familiar with MS languages, like C++, C#, VB, ASP.NET, but know little about Java. 2, If I want to stay in department A, I have to learn Java. Choice B: 1, Go to department B, because the languages department B used are MS languages. 2, But the manager of department B is a narrow guy, so you know... Which one will you choose if you were me?:)
I'm gonna get a lot of people kicking me in my ears for this one, just don't do until in bleeding out of them.. k? It's all about maturity. C# and most MS languages are VERY mature, why? Because these guys need to develop huge products, like Windows and Office, with the exact same tools (I have yet to see an OS, which ain't possible, or mainstream SQL database written in Java)... Oh, people might say that Microsoft is deviating from ANSI with MC++, but honestly, ANSI C++ was developed when? 1000BC? Are we still decorating caves with clubs? No, we are decorating classes with attributes. And please (and this is when I step on some toes), you will cry if you move to Java from C#. Imagine making a class for every event you want to handle, imagine not being able to write user-level threads... Back in the day when we still had programs that had 3 buttons and ran on a single CPU, Java was the [insert fowl rapper word here], and it has its uses (especially cellphone: but now everyone is going smartphone: MS C++/C# then). Java was a piece of art in the day. But why would you use a car to get to work if you could use a chopper? Microsoft just knows thier [once again]...
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Choice A: 1, Learn a new program language - Java, I am familiar with MS languages, like C++, C#, VB, ASP.NET, but know little about Java. 2, If I want to stay in department A, I have to learn Java. Choice B: 1, Go to department B, because the languages department B used are MS languages. 2, But the manager of department B is a narrow guy, so you know... Which one will you choose if you were me?:)
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hehe I am a web-dev and love coding web-apps. Currently doing it in Ruby on Rails but looking at GRails which uses Groovy (extended Java really), Hibernate, Spring and all that. We also do agile dev (not XP) here and I like it.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Paul Watson wrote:
hehe I am a web-dev and love coding web-apps. Currently doing it in Ruby on Rails but looking at GRails which uses Groovy (extended Java really), Hibernate, Spring and all that. We also do agile dev (not XP) here and I like it.
We didn't do full XP either - just a few ideas from agile programming and XP that we liked (especially test-first design). After I went back to college (along with 4 other guys who were on a summer placement as well), we left somewhat of a vacuum and a much reduced development team, so they stopped doing pair-programming. Which is a shame really - it worked really well mostly. If I was tired or lazy, my partner would keep going and I'd have tp get motivated and vice-versa. And we'd catch each others' mistakes and validate design decisions. Ruby looks very nice for web-app design. Doing it with Spring in Java meant a somewhat uncomfortable amount of files... Controller, jsp view, business logic and tests for each, then modifications in probably two separate XML (which can be bloody unreadable thanks to its verbosity!) and property files. Doh! Oisín
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Paul Watson wrote:
hehe I am a web-dev and love coding web-apps. Currently doing it in Ruby on Rails but looking at GRails which uses Groovy (extended Java really), Hibernate, Spring and all that. We also do agile dev (not XP) here and I like it.
We didn't do full XP either - just a few ideas from agile programming and XP that we liked (especially test-first design). After I went back to college (along with 4 other guys who were on a summer placement as well), we left somewhat of a vacuum and a much reduced development team, so they stopped doing pair-programming. Which is a shame really - it worked really well mostly. If I was tired or lazy, my partner would keep going and I'd have tp get motivated and vice-versa. And we'd catch each others' mistakes and validate design decisions. Ruby looks very nice for web-app design. Doing it with Spring in Java meant a somewhat uncomfortable amount of files... Controller, jsp view, business logic and tests for each, then modifications in probably two separate XML (which can be bloody unreadable thanks to its verbosity!) and property files. Doh! Oisín
destynova wrote:
Doing it with Spring in Java meant a somewhat uncomfortable amount of files... Controller, jsp view, business logic and tests for each, then modifications in probably two separate XML (which can be bloody unreadable thanks to its verbosity!) and property files. Doh!
Yeah. Check out GRails[^] if you want the happy-feelings of Rails but want Java-like syntax.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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Anton Afanasyev wrote:
Java is sorta similar to C# (ow, dont hit me with that..ow, that hurts ), well, to an extent. Quite east to learn the basics, and, well, the rest is online and easily findable.
It's not difficult to learn Java, but I think if I want to know Java deeply, it would spend me 1-2 years. but I would like to learn Software Design.
Anton Afanasyev wrote:
And, of course, depends on how much you dislike the manager in dept. B.
Very much. -- I didn't say one thing that is important, I like a girl in dept.B. ;P So I want to make closely to her. Thanks for your reply.:rose:
Language choice should not really be the deciding factor. If you are a good developer than the switch should be relatively easy. It will just take a little while to start committing function calls and other language-specific stuff to memory. A bad manager is way worse than learning new technology, plus the new experience is always good for the resume. Many people leave a company because of a bad manager. It definitely detracts from the whole work experience. As far as the girl - make an effort to get to know her without the change in departments. Office romance definitely works better when you don't work directly together. Good luck in whatever choice you make.
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Depends on you really. Java is sorta similar to C# (ow, dont hit me with that..ow, that hurts :) ), well, to an extent. Quite east to learn the basics, and, well, the rest is online and easily findable. And, of course, depends on how much you dislike the manager in dept. B.
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Choice A: 1, Learn a new program language - Java, I am familiar with MS languages, like C++, C#, VB, ASP.NET, but know little about Java. 2, If I want to stay in department A, I have to learn Java. Choice B: 1, Go to department B, because the languages department B used are MS languages. 2, But the manager of department B is a narrow guy, so you know... Which one will you choose if you were me?:)
Java is a no-brainer. Learn it.
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Choice A: 1, Learn a new program language - Java, I am familiar with MS languages, like C++, C#, VB, ASP.NET, but know little about Java. 2, If I want to stay in department A, I have to learn Java. Choice B: 1, Go to department B, because the languages department B used are MS languages. 2, But the manager of department B is a narrow guy, so you know... Which one will you choose if you were me?:)