Two choices, Which one will you choose if you were me?
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Paul Watson wrote:
hehe I am a web-dev and love coding web-apps. Currently doing it in Ruby on Rails but looking at GRails which uses Groovy (extended Java really), Hibernate, Spring and all that. We also do agile dev (not XP) here and I like it.
We didn't do full XP either - just a few ideas from agile programming and XP that we liked (especially test-first design). After I went back to college (along with 4 other guys who were on a summer placement as well), we left somewhat of a vacuum and a much reduced development team, so they stopped doing pair-programming. Which is a shame really - it worked really well mostly. If I was tired or lazy, my partner would keep going and I'd have tp get motivated and vice-versa. And we'd catch each others' mistakes and validate design decisions. Ruby looks very nice for web-app design. Doing it with Spring in Java meant a somewhat uncomfortable amount of files... Controller, jsp view, business logic and tests for each, then modifications in probably two separate XML (which can be bloody unreadable thanks to its verbosity!) and property files. Doh! Oisín
destynova wrote:
Doing it with Spring in Java meant a somewhat uncomfortable amount of files... Controller, jsp view, business logic and tests for each, then modifications in probably two separate XML (which can be bloody unreadable thanks to its verbosity!) and property files. Doh!
Yeah. Check out GRails[^] if you want the happy-feelings of Rails but want Java-like syntax.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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Anton Afanasyev wrote:
Java is sorta similar to C# (ow, dont hit me with that..ow, that hurts ), well, to an extent. Quite east to learn the basics, and, well, the rest is online and easily findable.
It's not difficult to learn Java, but I think if I want to know Java deeply, it would spend me 1-2 years. but I would like to learn Software Design.
Anton Afanasyev wrote:
And, of course, depends on how much you dislike the manager in dept. B.
Very much. -- I didn't say one thing that is important, I like a girl in dept.B. ;P So I want to make closely to her. Thanks for your reply.:rose:
Language choice should not really be the deciding factor. If you are a good developer than the switch should be relatively easy. It will just take a little while to start committing function calls and other language-specific stuff to memory. A bad manager is way worse than learning new technology, plus the new experience is always good for the resume. Many people leave a company because of a bad manager. It definitely detracts from the whole work experience. As far as the girl - make an effort to get to know her without the change in departments. Office romance definitely works better when you don't work directly together. Good luck in whatever choice you make.
Pete
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Depends on you really. Java is sorta similar to C# (ow, dont hit me with that..ow, that hurts :) ), well, to an extent. Quite east to learn the basics, and, well, the rest is online and easily findable. And, of course, depends on how much you dislike the manager in dept. B.
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Choice A: 1, Learn a new program language - Java, I am familiar with MS languages, like C++, C#, VB, ASP.NET, but know little about Java. 2, If I want to stay in department A, I have to learn Java. Choice B: 1, Go to department B, because the languages department B used are MS languages. 2, But the manager of department B is a narrow guy, so you know... Which one will you choose if you were me?:)
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Choice A: 1, Learn a new program language - Java, I am familiar with MS languages, like C++, C#, VB, ASP.NET, but know little about Java. 2, If I want to stay in department A, I have to learn Java. Choice B: 1, Go to department B, because the languages department B used are MS languages. 2, But the manager of department B is a narrow guy, so you know... Which one will you choose if you were me?:)
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I think you should go to department B. As I think you might be good enough MS languages so you can proove your self better in that field. As well as impress her ;). And that manager why you taking him much seriously. Just ignor him through ur heart and you be the happy. And ya learning java is also a good thing but for that you need some time.
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Forget the language wars.
WuJunyin wrote:
Anton Afanasyev wrote: And, of course, depends on how much you dislike the manager in dept. B. Very much.
Really, I think you just answered your own question!
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If you know C# you will pick up Java very quickly (as they are not too far from identical). As others have said and will say it will take time to get to expert standard. I'm no Java programmer, but armed with a solid handle on C# and my trusty "Java 2 Complete", I have taken on and completed Java projects to a standard where I have got return work. If you like manager A then I'd say your not in for that much of a learning curve. HTH
SimonRigby wrote:
If you know C# you will pick up Java very quickly (as they are not too far from identical).
I agree with you. and in my opinions, the most OO languages are similar.
SimonRigby wrote:
If you like manager A then
just so so, but she know little about program. ;P
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Language choice should not really be the deciding factor. If you are a good developer than the switch should be relatively easy. It will just take a little while to start committing function calls and other language-specific stuff to memory. A bad manager is way worse than learning new technology, plus the new experience is always good for the resume. Many people leave a company because of a bad manager. It definitely detracts from the whole work experience. As far as the girl - make an effort to get to know her without the change in departments. Office romance definitely works better when you don't work directly together. Good luck in whatever choice you make.
Pete
pete13mac wrote:
A bad manager is way worse than learning new technology, plus the new experience is always good for the resume. Many people leave a company because of a bad manager. It definitely detracts from the whole work experience.
Yeah, it is not easy to work together with a bad manager. But, this bad manager is not bad for everything. So it may be a chance to learn how to work together with a bad manager. and it may be good for my EQ.
pete13mac wrote:
Office romance definitely works better when you don't work directly together.
Can you explain more about this?
pete13mac wrote:
Good luck in whatever choice you make.
Thanks very much. and thanks for your reply. :rose:
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Dude, Which will look better on your resume, an additional language, or a sexual harassment charge? Don't s*** where you eat, don't f*** where you work. JBB
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Ditch department B. If you were married to her they wouldn't allow it and since you aren't don't make a dumb decision. Besides if you both work in different areas you will have more to talk about than if you worked in the same place. I don't know about anyone else but when I first met my wife all I could think about was her and if I had needed to write software (during that time) while in her proximity I would have gotten nothing done. I'd probably have installed about 500 web cams:-O and that would have been right before they fired me.
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Josh Gray wrote:
At the end of the day what matters more than language, managers, co workers, etc etc is your interest in the project. Managers come and go, most OO languages are really just an abstraction of the same old ideas.
Well said! I'd agree with that. One thing that might be nice about learning Java is that it'll probably reintroduce you to OO concepts that you might have forgotten or glossed over when learning C++/C# (btw, C++ isn't an MS language..!). You're bound to increase your overall software design/development skills, or your code-qi, let's say. I'd always take the opportunity to learn something new... unless it was, say, Cobol. 祝你好运。
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Rather pick the narrow language than the narrow boss.
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Choice C Move to a new job, which you decide what to program in.
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What kind of Java development? Seriously, it makes a difference. Java is a fine language but there is a lot more to Java development than just the language. If you get stuck in an EJB, J2EE situation then you might regret it. At work I face a similar situation (no narrow bosses though) and I have had to fight to make sure that we use Java smartly. In this case GRails and Groovy for web-dev.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Paul Watson wrote:
What kind of Java development? Seriously, it makes a difference. Java is a fine language but there is a lot more to Java development than just the language. If you get stuck in an EJB, J2EE situation then you might regret it.
I don't know, that looks like develop add-ins for Office Programs.
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Well break it down: Choice A: Learn a new language that is not in your comfort zone Choice B: Emotional intrigue from above and inside the department.
I would look at it as a chance to learn a new language that will give me insight to my favorite subject, programming. When you learn a new language, it gives you insights to the underlining ideas that govern all coding languages. The interaction between your code to the hardware and/or OS becomes clearer and clearer the more that you use other languages as well as your own preferred platform. Each language has standard techniques which can usually be applied to another language, giving you more tools to solve unique problems. As for the girl, just start a conversation with her, get to know her and start meeting her for lunch.
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pete13mac wrote:
A bad manager is way worse than learning new technology, plus the new experience is always good for the resume. Many people leave a company because of a bad manager. It definitely detracts from the whole work experience.
Yeah, it is not easy to work together with a bad manager. But, this bad manager is not bad for everything. So it may be a chance to learn how to work together with a bad manager. and it may be good for my EQ.
pete13mac wrote:
Office romance definitely works better when you don't work directly together.
Can you explain more about this?
pete13mac wrote:
Good luck in whatever choice you make.
Thanks very much. and thanks for your reply. :rose:
If you date someone that you work with directly then there is more chance for awkward situations to arise if things don't work out or if one of you ends up managing/supervising the other. If you are in separate groups then you don't have to deal with office conflict or awkwardness.
Pete
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I'm gonna get a lot of people kicking me in my ears for this one, just don't do until in bleeding out of them.. k? It's all about maturity. C# and most MS languages are VERY mature, why? Because these guys need to develop huge products, like Windows and Office, with the exact same tools (I have yet to see an OS, which ain't possible, or mainstream SQL database written in Java)... Oh, people might say that Microsoft is deviating from ANSI with MC++, but honestly, ANSI C++ was developed when? 1000BC? Are we still decorating caves with clubs? No, we are decorating classes with attributes. And please (and this is when I step on some toes), you will cry if you move to Java from C#. Imagine making a class for every event you want to handle, imagine not being able to write user-level threads... Back in the day when we still had programs that had 3 buttons and ran on a single CPU, Java was the [insert fowl rapper word here], and it has its uses (especially cellphone: but now everyone is going smartphone: MS C++/C# then). Java was a piece of art in the day. But why would you use a car to get to work if you could use a chopper? Microsoft just knows thier [once again]...
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Learning how to negotiate your way thru bonehead managers is WAY more important than the language de jour. ymmv