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  • L Lost User

    What about other people's ideals? Don't they count, whatever they are.

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    Ilion
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    Richard A. Abbott wrote:

    What about other people's ideals? Don't they count, whatever they are.

    Considering the context, I suppose I don't really care about this particular "misunderstanding."

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      What is all this whining about a double standard? The Republicans have the platform of Religion and Family Values, constantly claiming moral superiority... then you want to whine about a double standard. Please could just one republican in the Soapbox please step forward and explain the logic in this seemingly inescapable contradiction? And no, this does not mean that someone like Ilion should post another list of Democratic leaders and their misadventures as if there is no list of Republican leaders misadventures.

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      led mike wrote:

      The Republicans have the platform of Religion and Family Values, constantly claiming moral superiority...

      That very comment is an example of the double standard.

      Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about

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        led mike wrote:

        The Republicans have the platform of Religion and Family Values, constantly claiming moral superiority...

        That very comment is an example of the double standard.

        Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about

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        Stan Shannon wrote:

        That very comment is an example of the double standard.

        AND misrepresentation.

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          led mike wrote:

          The Republicans have the platform of Religion and Family Values, constantly claiming moral superiority...

          That very comment is an example of the double standard.

          Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about

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          Stan Shannon wrote:

          That very comment is an example of the double standard.

          Are you serious? Another whine is your response? Did I ask for an example? Did I even question the existence of the double standard? Not a single one of you has even attempted to address the question. You have proven, once again, that beyond regurgitating your own brainwashed superiority rhetoric, you have no capability for real discussion.

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            Stan Shannon wrote:

            That very comment is an example of the double standard.

            Are you serious? Another whine is your response? Did I ask for an example? Did I even question the existence of the double standard? Not a single one of you has even attempted to address the question. You have proven, once again, that beyond regurgitating your own brainwashed superiority rhetoric, you have no capability for real discussion.

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            Red Stateler
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            led mike wrote:

            Not a single one of you has even attempted to address the question.

            I'm still trying to understand your question. You asked "What's with all the whining about a double standard", then went on to say that Republicans have a double standard for promoting "family values". I told you they don't since a violation of that standard generally results in removal (rather than promotions that Democrats get). You failed to respond to that comment because it brings down your argument. Now you're accusing people of having no capability for a real discussion. Wow.

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            • R Red Stateler

              Shog9 wrote:

              I understand the yearning for a Fearless Leader to put your hopes in

              I for one don't want a "leader". I want a government that implements my ideals.

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              Red Stateler wrote:

              I for one don't want a "leader". I want a government that implements my ideals.

              Yes, but the government is made of people. And those people need leaders to help them translate our ideals into action.

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              • 7 73Zeppelin

                Stop wasting your time with this moron. Ignore him. It's not hard to figure out he craves attention. Deny him what he so desperately wants or continue to suffer through his pathetic, rambling posts.

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                I just went back to see what he has posted since last night, so I'd know what to vote as spam the next time round, and most of his messages have been removed. :doh:


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                • R Red Stateler

                  led mike wrote:

                  Not a single one of you has even attempted to address the question.

                  I'm still trying to understand your question. You asked "What's with all the whining about a double standard", then went on to say that Republicans have a double standard for promoting "family values". I told you they don't since a violation of that standard generally results in removal (rather than promotions that Democrats get). You failed to respond to that comment because it brings down your argument. Now you're accusing people of having no capability for a real discussion. Wow.

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                  Red Stateler wrote:

                  I'm still trying to understand your question.

                  No you are not.

                  Red Stateler wrote:

                  then went on to say that Republicans have a double standard for promoting "family values".

                  I said that in my OP on this thread? Where? Here is my statement, it does not say what you claim:

                  led mike wrote:

                  The Republicans have the platform of Religion and Family Values, constantly claiming moral superiority... then you want to whine about a double standard.

                  now here is the question

                  led mike wrote:

                  explain the logic in this seemingly inescapable contradiction?

                  How is that NOT crystal clear? You always claim to have superior reading skills don't you?

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                    Shog9 wrote:

                    You want a servant. So look for people who are good at following orders. ...and pray they take orders from the people who elected them instead of the people who funded their ad campaigns...

                    I want a public servant, but that doesn't imply someone who simply takes orders, but rather fulfills the duties of their office for the benefit of America.

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                    That's the ideal leader everyone would want, but it's only a dream. Like those people who tried to achieve communism, the idea is good, but it is impossible to achieve; the closest that they got is national socialism. Anyway, I don't think there is another George Washington or James Madison that will come along and save us. The constant growth of the bureaucracy in the government and the military industrial complex, and along with the influence of corporations in the legislating process has killed any chance of anyone trying to do the right thing. Well, unless there's a revolution and we start over again and implement the lessons learned. After awhile, the process would have to start over again and it becomes a cycle. Just my $0.02

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                    • L led mike

                      Red Stateler wrote:

                      I'm still trying to understand your question.

                      No you are not.

                      Red Stateler wrote:

                      then went on to say that Republicans have a double standard for promoting "family values".

                      I said that in my OP on this thread? Where? Here is my statement, it does not say what you claim:

                      led mike wrote:

                      The Republicans have the platform of Religion and Family Values, constantly claiming moral superiority... then you want to whine about a double standard.

                      now here is the question

                      led mike wrote:

                      explain the logic in this seemingly inescapable contradiction?

                      How is that NOT crystal clear? You always claim to have superior reading skills don't you?

                      led mike

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                      led mike wrote:

                      led mike wrote: The Republicans have the platform of Religion and Family Values, constantly claiming moral superiority... then you want to whine about a double standard. now here is the question

                      Because that statement is not true, hence there is no contradiction. Quoteing leftist propaganda is not a compelling argument.

                      Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about

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                      • L led mike

                        Red Stateler wrote:

                        I'm still trying to understand your question.

                        No you are not.

                        Red Stateler wrote:

                        then went on to say that Republicans have a double standard for promoting "family values".

                        I said that in my OP on this thread? Where? Here is my statement, it does not say what you claim:

                        led mike wrote:

                        The Republicans have the platform of Religion and Family Values, constantly claiming moral superiority... then you want to whine about a double standard.

                        now here is the question

                        led mike wrote:

                        explain the logic in this seemingly inescapable contradiction?

                        How is that NOT crystal clear? You always claim to have superior reading skills don't you?

                        led mike

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                        Like Stan said, the only way your statement makes sense is if there is a contradiction there. And as I pointed out, there isn't one, which makes your statement meaningless. That's why I asked what you were talking about.

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                        • I Ilion

                          But Honest Mike, I answered the "question" I care about.

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                          Dont talk to this infadel, One day he will be begging you for a drop of water on his tounge when he is burning in hell! :rolleyes:

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                            led mike wrote:

                            led mike wrote: The Republicans have the platform of Religion and Family Values, constantly claiming moral superiority... then you want to whine about a double standard. now here is the question

                            Because that statement is not true, hence there is no contradiction. Quoteing leftist propaganda is not a compelling argument.

                            Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about

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                            led mike
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                            Stan Shannon wrote:

                            Because that statement is not true

                            Hmmm... ok I'll bite. Which part is not true? 1) The Republican Platform of Religion and Family Values 2) Republicans in the Soapbox claiming moral superiority 3) Republicans in the Soapbox whining about a double standard

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                            • L led mike

                              Stan Shannon wrote:

                              Because that statement is not true

                              Hmmm... ok I'll bite. Which part is not true? 1) The Republican Platform of Religion and Family Values 2) Republicans in the Soapbox claiming moral superiority 3) Republicans in the Soapbox whining about a double standard

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                              Your statement:

                              led mike wrote:

                              The Republicans have the platform of Religion and Family Values, constantly claiming moral superiority... then you want to whine about a double standard.

                              The word "then" makes the underlined portion a statement of contradiction. It indicates that claiming moral superiority denotes that conservatives are exempted from whining about a double standard (presumably because it's hypocritical...the only liberal vice). But in order to make any sense (within the contect of your hypocritical implication), conservatives would have to be violating that moral standard. As I pointed out in my first response, the fact that conservatives commit immoral acts is expected. But the standard requires action on those immoral acts...Something conservatives are consistent about. That fact contradicts your claims of hypocrisy because there is no demonstrably lacking morality, which renders your statement moot. That's why I asked what you were talking about when you continued rambling. Btw, Stan is saying that leftists claim a moral superiority via their secular humanist morality (e.g. war is immoral, republicans are corrupt, etc...).

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                                Your statement:

                                led mike wrote:

                                The Republicans have the platform of Religion and Family Values, constantly claiming moral superiority... then you want to whine about a double standard.

                                The word "then" makes the underlined portion a statement of contradiction. It indicates that claiming moral superiority denotes that conservatives are exempted from whining about a double standard (presumably because it's hypocritical...the only liberal vice). But in order to make any sense (within the contect of your hypocritical implication), conservatives would have to be violating that moral standard. As I pointed out in my first response, the fact that conservatives commit immoral acts is expected. But the standard requires action on those immoral acts...Something conservatives are consistent about. That fact contradicts your claims of hypocrisy because there is no demonstrably lacking morality, which renders your statement moot. That's why I asked what you were talking about when you continued rambling. Btw, Stan is saying that leftists claim a moral superiority via their secular humanist morality (e.g. war is immoral, republicans are corrupt, etc...).

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                                Red Stateler wrote:

                                But in order to make any sense (within the contect of your hypocritical implication), conservatives would have to be violating that moral standard.

                                This thread is not about hypocrisy, we can always get back to that, it is simply about "STOP WHINING" about the double standard.

                                Red Stateler wrote:

                                Btw, Stan is saying that leftists claim a moral superiority

                                Yeah you two say all sorts of things you can't back up, so what?

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                                  Red Stateler wrote:

                                  But in order to make any sense (within the contect of your hypocritical implication), conservatives would have to be violating that moral standard.

                                  This thread is not about hypocrisy, we can always get back to that, it is simply about "STOP WHINING" about the double standard.

                                  Red Stateler wrote:

                                  Btw, Stan is saying that leftists claim a moral superiority

                                  Yeah you two say all sorts of things you can't back up, so what?

                                  led mike

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                                  led mike wrote:

                                  This thread is not about hypocrisy, we can always get back to that, it is simply about "STOP WHINING" about the double standard.

                                  Well then back to the original question. What are you rambling on about? You original posts makes absolutely no sense. It doesn't even imply "stop whining" just because you're annoyed of your blatant hypocrisy.

                                  led mike wrote:

                                  Yeah you two say all sorts of things you can't back up, so what?

                                  Yeah, I gave you two specific examples.

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                                    led mike wrote:

                                    This thread is not about hypocrisy, we can always get back to that, it is simply about "STOP WHINING" about the double standard.

                                    Well then back to the original question. What are you rambling on about? You original posts makes absolutely no sense. It doesn't even imply "stop whining" just because you're annoyed of your blatant hypocrisy.

                                    led mike wrote:

                                    Yeah you two say all sorts of things you can't back up, so what?

                                    Yeah, I gave you two specific examples.

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                                    Red Stateler wrote:

                                    Yeah, I gave you two specific examples.

                                    Examples of what? Examples of how it's logical to whine about a double standard that you set up yourself? WTF are you talking about?

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                                      I just went back to see what he has posted since last night, so I'd know what to vote as spam the next time round, and most of his messages have been removed. :doh:


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                                      David Wulff wrote:

                                      I just went back to see what he has posted since last night, and most of his messages have been removed.

                                      Yeah - for good reason.

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                                      • L led mike

                                        Red Stateler wrote:

                                        Yeah, I gave you two specific examples.

                                        Examples of what? Examples of how it's logical to whine about a double standard that you set up yourself? WTF are you talking about?

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                                        led mike wrote:

                                        Examples of what?

                                        war is immoral, republicans are corrupt (one of the Democrats' main platforms the last election), etc...

                                        led mike wrote:

                                        Examples of how it's logical to whine about a double standard that you set up yourself?

                                        You still haven't explained your original post. You even said "Please could just one republican in the Soapbox please step forward and explain the logic in this seemingly inescapable contradiction?" Now two posts ago you said it's not about hypocrisy, but a simple whine about whining. Well then what was the point of claiming it was a contradiction if now you're saying it's not? What's wrong with you?

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                                          led mike wrote:

                                          Examples of what?

                                          war is immoral, republicans are corrupt (one of the Democrats' main platforms the last election), etc...

                                          led mike wrote:

                                          Examples of how it's logical to whine about a double standard that you set up yourself?

                                          You still haven't explained your original post. You even said "Please could just one republican in the Soapbox please step forward and explain the logic in this seemingly inescapable contradiction?" Now two posts ago you said it's not about hypocrisy, but a simple whine about whining. Well then what was the point of claiming it was a contradiction if now you're saying it's not? What's wrong with you?

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                                          TROLL No answers to the question... not a single one... "I don't understand the question", now claiming there is no question... run away run away To late, Stan already posted that something was "not true".

                                          Stan Shannon wrote:

                                          Because that statement is not true,

                                          You even responded, so obvoiusly you both understand but of course can't point to the part that is not true "even when I numbered them". run away .... run away so lame X|

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