A sad statement of our community
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A fellow posted his first ever article here[^] and some lamebrain voted him a 1. For the record, this guy does not deserve a 1. He writes about an interesting topic that he decided to explore on his own, he admits the code isn't that great but will improve it, and seeing that English probably isn't his native language, it's very well written. Further, I ran his demo and it works quite well. Not every article on CP is going to be spit and polished, IMO, and it's really sad that the fellow isn't given some encouraging words rather than an anonymous 1 vote. I gave him a 5 for effort and to balance out the stupid drive-by 1 voter. Bah. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithTo be honest I think the only way to curb drive-by 1 voting is to record who voted for the guy and display it. Take away the anonimity (spell?) and there will be no drive-bys. That will force them to justify their vote with a comment otherwise people will know they're jerks. Also - I thik we should get rid of voting in the lounge altogether. It's pointless. (plus when everyone votes my comments a 1 it makes me sad inside and i have to go weep quietly in bed :rolleyes:)
Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis. I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
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A fellow posted his first ever article here[^] and some lamebrain voted him a 1. For the record, this guy does not deserve a 1. He writes about an interesting topic that he decided to explore on his own, he admits the code isn't that great but will improve it, and seeing that English probably isn't his native language, it's very well written. Further, I ran his demo and it works quite well. Not every article on CP is going to be spit and polished, IMO, and it's really sad that the fellow isn't given some encouraging words rather than an anonymous 1 vote. I gave him a 5 for effort and to balance out the stupid drive-by 1 voter. Bah. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
Not every article on CP is going to be spit and polished
IMHO it's stupid to vote on article based on formatting. Yes, a properly formatted article is easier to read and nicely edited articles tend to have better code i.e. less bugs, more comments, thought out implementation. However, this is a free site with free code, we shouldn't expect production level quality code and articles. Some of the best articles I've read are the ones that make me say "hell, I didn't even think it could be used this way/didn't know you could improve performance by that much/didn't know you could do such neat thing". Those articles always get voted 5, I could care less about formatting and lack of comments, it's the idea that I like and it's the idea that the articles get voted for. EDIT: on the second thought it would be nice to know what the following means return valor >= _inicio && valor <= _fin; I can sort of guess, but some comments would have been useful... now where is my online dictionary? :D -- modified at 15:10 Monday 12th March, 2007
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A fellow posted his first ever article here[^] and some lamebrain voted him a 1. For the record, this guy does not deserve a 1. He writes about an interesting topic that he decided to explore on his own, he admits the code isn't that great but will improve it, and seeing that English probably isn't his native language, it's very well written. Further, I ran his demo and it works quite well. Not every article on CP is going to be spit and polished, IMO, and it's really sad that the fellow isn't given some encouraging words rather than an anonymous 1 vote. I gave him a 5 for effort and to balance out the stupid drive-by 1 voter. Bah. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
To be honest I think the only way to curb drive-by 1 voting is to record who voted for the guy and display it. Take away the anonimity (spell?) and there will be no drive-bys. That will force them to justify their vote with a comment otherwise people will know they're jerks. Also - I thik we should get rid of voting in the lounge altogether. It's pointless. (plus when everyone votes my comments a 1 it makes me sad inside and i have to go weep quietly in bed :rolleyes:)
Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis. I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Nic Rowan wrote:
To be honest I think the only way to curb drive-by 1 voting is to record who voted for the guy and display it.
A while back, David Stone posted a link to a "Sparklines"-style score display - essentially, you get a line-graphed histogram rather than a simple weighted average. I'd love to see something like that, both for articles and posts. IMHO, it would greatly reduce the temptation to use 1 and 5 exclusively ("the score's lower than it should be, i'll vote higher than it deserves to compensate"), while reducing the perceived impact of a single low / high vote.
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
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A fellow posted his first ever article here[^] and some lamebrain voted him a 1. For the record, this guy does not deserve a 1. He writes about an interesting topic that he decided to explore on his own, he admits the code isn't that great but will improve it, and seeing that English probably isn't his native language, it's very well written. Further, I ran his demo and it works quite well. Not every article on CP is going to be spit and polished, IMO, and it's really sad that the fellow isn't given some encouraging words rather than an anonymous 1 vote. I gave him a 5 for effort and to balance out the stupid drive-by 1 voter. Bah. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithThank you very much for your kind words. Stuff like this is what drives me to keep writing articles, in spite of people that vote 1 without saying why. I know I'm not perfect, actually, far from it, and with this being my first article, I hoped for a lot of comments on how should I improve it, but when I got that vote, it really turned me down. Again, thank you and the others for your words, and know that I will continue writing. CP has helped me a lot, and, if I can help a little, then I'll be glad to do it. And yes, i'm from Argentina, a spanish-speaking country, but I always liked english more than spanish. Matias Szulman
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Not every article on CP is going to be spit and polished
IMHO it's stupid to vote on article based on formatting. Yes, a properly formatted article is easier to read and nicely edited articles tend to have better code i.e. less bugs, more comments, thought out implementation. However, this is a free site with free code, we shouldn't expect production level quality code and articles. Some of the best articles I've read are the ones that make me say "hell, I didn't even think it could be used this way/didn't know you could improve performance by that much/didn't know you could do such neat thing". Those articles always get voted 5, I could care less about formatting and lack of comments, it's the idea that I like and it's the idea that the articles get voted for. EDIT: on the second thought it would be nice to know what the following means return valor >= _inicio && valor <= _fin; I can sort of guess, but some comments would have been useful... now where is my online dictionary? :D -- modified at 15:10 Monday 12th March, 2007
JazzJackRabbit wrote:
However, this is a free site with free code, we shouldn't expect production level quality code and articles.
Of course we should. Doesn't mean we should blast those that come short into smoking piles of 1s though. 4 is a perfectly-respectable score for the "diamonds in the rough", while i generally expect "a few useful nuggets amidst manure" from 3s...
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
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To be honest I think the only way to curb drive-by 1 voting is to record who voted for the guy and display it. Take away the anonimity (spell?) and there will be no drive-bys. That will force them to justify their vote with a comment otherwise people will know they're jerks. Also - I thik we should get rid of voting in the lounge altogether. It's pointless. (plus when everyone votes my comments a 1 it makes me sad inside and i have to go weep quietly in bed :rolleyes:)
Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis. I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Totally agree, vote 1 for an article should take away the anonymity. That's one reason why people stop publishing good articles; why to spend hundred of hours writing an article when later some jerk will vote you down for no reason at all.
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Nic Rowan wrote:
To be honest I think the only way to curb drive-by 1 voting is to record who voted for the guy and display it.
A while back, David Stone posted a link to a "Sparklines"-style score display - essentially, you get a line-graphed histogram rather than a simple weighted average. I'd love to see something like that, both for articles and posts. IMHO, it would greatly reduce the temptation to use 1 and 5 exclusively ("the score's lower than it should be, i'll vote higher than it deserves to compensate"), while reducing the perceived impact of a single low / high vote.
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
Shog9 wrote:
"Sparklines"-style score display
Sounds cool. I'd also be keen to see that. They shouldn't be hard to make at all. (I have a feeling they'd all start out like jagged shark teeth.)
Shog9 wrote:
i'll vote higher than it deserves to compensate
Ya, I'd think most people just vote in 1's and 5's. We may as well just have a thumbs up and thumbs down. Nobody see's shades of grey. I still think we should display who voted for what. If people want to vote they must justify it. I cant think of very many case for anon. voting. The database is probably storing that sort of info anyway. I'd love to see the CP database. I'm such a nerd...
Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis. I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
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Totally agree, vote 1 for an article should take away the anonymity. That's one reason why people stop publishing good articles; why to spend hundred of hours writing an article when later some jerk will vote you down for no reason at all.
starcraft4ever wrote:
vote 1 for an article should take away the anonymity.
Not just 1 votes but all votes. We are basically like judges. If we give someone a good, mediocre or bad score we should let them know why we're doing it so they can improve.
Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis. I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
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A fellow posted his first ever article here[^] and some lamebrain voted him a 1. For the record, this guy does not deserve a 1. He writes about an interesting topic that he decided to explore on his own, he admits the code isn't that great but will improve it, and seeing that English probably isn't his native language, it's very well written. Further, I ran his demo and it works quite well. Not every article on CP is going to be spit and polished, IMO, and it's really sad that the fellow isn't given some encouraging words rather than an anonymous 1 vote. I gave him a 5 for effort and to balance out the stupid drive-by 1 voter. Bah. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithSomeone voted him 1 and many others have voted him way more than 1 and it's now one of the most popular articles this week. I reckon that's pretty good self-correcting behaviour ;) (and year, I need to display votes in a histogram...)
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Shog9 wrote:
"Sparklines"-style score display
Sounds cool. I'd also be keen to see that. They shouldn't be hard to make at all. (I have a feeling they'd all start out like jagged shark teeth.)
Shog9 wrote:
i'll vote higher than it deserves to compensate
Ya, I'd think most people just vote in 1's and 5's. We may as well just have a thumbs up and thumbs down. Nobody see's shades of grey. I still think we should display who voted for what. If people want to vote they must justify it. I cant think of very many case for anon. voting. The database is probably storing that sort of info anyway. I'd love to see the CP database. I'm such a nerd...
Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis. I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Nic Rowan wrote:
I'd also be keen to see that.
Found it. :)
Nic Rowan wrote:
I cant think of very many case for anon. voting.
Retaliation. Sad to say, but some folk are gonna take a low vote personally, and the last thing we need are grudge votes on top of the existing problems.
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
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Thank you very much for your kind words. Stuff like this is what drives me to keep writing articles, in spite of people that vote 1 without saying why. I know I'm not perfect, actually, far from it, and with this being my first article, I hoped for a lot of comments on how should I improve it, but when I got that vote, it really turned me down. Again, thank you and the others for your words, and know that I will continue writing. CP has helped me a lot, and, if I can help a little, then I'll be glad to do it. And yes, i'm from Argentina, a spanish-speaking country, but I always liked english more than spanish. Matias Szulman
Matias Szulman wrote:
And yes, i'm from Argentina, a spanish-speaking country, but I always liked english more than spanish.
Your English is far better than my Spanish.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Someone voted him 1 and many others have voted him way more than 1 and it's now one of the most popular articles this week. I reckon that's pretty good self-correcting behaviour ;) (and year, I need to display votes in a histogram...)
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
I reckon that's pretty good self-correcting behaviour
Indeed it is! :) Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
A fellow posted his first ever article here[^] and some lamebrain voted him a 1. For the record, this guy does not deserve a 1. He writes about an interesting topic that he decided to explore on his own, he admits the code isn't that great but will improve it, and seeing that English probably isn't his native language, it's very well written. Further, I ran his demo and it works quite well. Not every article on CP is going to be spit and polished, IMO, and it's really sad that the fellow isn't given some encouraging words rather than an anonymous 1 vote. I gave him a 5 for effort and to balance out the stupid drive-by 1 voter. Bah. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithGave him a 5.
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Thank you very much for your kind words. Stuff like this is what drives me to keep writing articles, in spite of people that vote 1 without saying why. I know I'm not perfect, actually, far from it, and with this being my first article, I hoped for a lot of comments on how should I improve it, but when I got that vote, it really turned me down. Again, thank you and the others for your words, and know that I will continue writing. CP has helped me a lot, and, if I can help a little, then I'll be glad to do it. And yes, i'm from Argentina, a spanish-speaking country, but I always liked english more than spanish. Matias Szulman
A very good first article, I gave it a 5. Elaine :rose:
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Nic Rowan wrote:
To be honest I think the only way to curb drive-by 1 voting is to record who voted for the guy and display it.
A while back, David Stone posted a link to a "Sparklines"-style score display - essentially, you get a line-graphed histogram rather than a simple weighted average. I'd love to see something like that, both for articles and posts. IMHO, it would greatly reduce the temptation to use 1 and 5 exclusively ("the score's lower than it should be, i'll vote higher than it deserves to compensate"), while reducing the perceived impact of a single low / high vote.
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
I quite like the voting display on MSDN - i.e. a bar for each number 1-9. It takes up too much room, but you can see the total or relative number of votes for each bar.
"For fifty bucks I'd put my face in their soup and blow." - George Costanza
CP article: SmartPager - a Flickr-style pager control with go-to-page popup layer.
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Thank you very much for your kind words. Stuff like this is what drives me to keep writing articles, in spite of people that vote 1 without saying why. I know I'm not perfect, actually, far from it, and with this being my first article, I hoped for a lot of comments on how should I improve it, but when I got that vote, it really turned me down. Again, thank you and the others for your words, and know that I will continue writing. CP has helped me a lot, and, if I can help a little, then I'll be glad to do it. And yes, i'm from Argentina, a spanish-speaking country, but I always liked english more than spanish. Matias Szulman
I gave it a 5 for the reasons John already provided. I was keenly impressed by the fact you churned out a result given such a loose spec provided what... a day prior? I think doing something like that embodies the spirit of CP as much anything else if not more. You demonstrated initiative outside of your own problem area and published a sample that will no doubt inspire others to pick up and carry on. That's CP in my opinion. I think you should us something in your initial action that is of much higher value than we showed you in response to Marc's alerting us to the issue at hand.
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next. - Gladiator I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact.
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I quite like the voting display on MSDN - i.e. a bar for each number 1-9. It takes up too much room, but you can see the total or relative number of votes for each bar.
"For fifty bucks I'd put my face in their soup and blow." - George Costanza
CP article: SmartPager - a Flickr-style pager control with go-to-page popup layer.
(i didn't realize we could vote on MSDN - care to share a link to what you're talking about?)
Ashley van Gerven wrote:
a bar for each number 1-9. It takes up too much room, but you can see the total or relative number of votes for each bar.
That makes more sense for an article, where you have a lot of space. Still, it shouldn't be necessary to know at a glance exactly how many people voted each level - a quick glance will tell you that (say) roughly 50% of the total voted 4, 10% voted 5, etc. When there are just a handful of total votes, a bar graph would pretty much tell you how many people voted each #. For a larger number, both line and bar graphs still give you a good "at a glance" feel for how the article is perceived. Numbered bars would excel in one category though - "vote this post" polls... ;)
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
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(i didn't realize we could vote on MSDN - care to share a link to what you're talking about?)
Ashley van Gerven wrote:
a bar for each number 1-9. It takes up too much room, but you can see the total or relative number of votes for each bar.
That makes more sense for an article, where you have a lot of space. Still, it shouldn't be necessary to know at a glance exactly how many people voted each level - a quick glance will tell you that (say) roughly 50% of the total voted 4, 10% voted 5, etc. When there are just a handful of total votes, a bar graph would pretty much tell you how many people voted each #. For a larger number, both line and bar graphs still give you a good "at a glance" feel for how the article is perceived. Numbered bars would excel in one category though - "vote this post" polls... ;)
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
Well it seems MSDN 2 is using an average rating system: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.timezone.aspx. But they used to have a bar graph (can't recall which MSDN section(s) tho). Seems we're on the same wavelength as Chris... he's planning a 'histogram[^]' by the looks of it - didn't know that's what it was called.
"For fifty bucks I'd put my face in their soup and blow." - George Costanza
CP article: SmartPager - a Flickr-style pager control with go-to-page popup layer.