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Ilíon wrote:
Me, of course. And no one.
Why is that known, you dont have that on your profile.
CleaKO
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Ilíon wrote:
Me, of course. And no one.
Why is that known, you dont have that on your profile.
CleaKO
"I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
"Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)CleaKO wrote:
Why is that known, you dont have that on your profile.
That would be a question to address to Mr Craig, now wouldn't it? But, it's not exactly as though I've made a secret of my identity. After all, being no one in particular, I can't really imagine that a total stranger in who-knows-where would have a pressing desire to know my name or city. I assure you, I'm not trying to find out where Mr Craig lives, or if he even is 'Tim Craig.' But, since he seems so interested in me, let's see if he can pin-point my location on a map.
'Dhimmitude' is a state of mind.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
That's what Ilion wants
Actually it isn't. What he wants is to be able to post his opinions and have them stay in view and not be voted as abusive. Whether or not his posts are abusive, spam, or even vaguely appropriate is another thing. I can block him easily but I'd prefer to listen to his side first.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
What he wants is to be able to post his opinions and have them stay in view and not be voted as abusive.
Well, unless you're gonna kill the abuse feature and give him special "sticky post" status, he's not gonna get his way. FWIW, I watch this forum pretty closely, and i'm pretty sure not a single one of his threads was deleted until he started re-posting them after they'd been pushed off the first page. And that was after about a week of watching him cut quotes from threads that had been played out and start new threads composed of his "answers" to these quotes. Seeing someone stroke their ego by pasting together fake arguments isn't new, or interesting, or even that much of a problem in and of itself - i've seen this sort of thing fairly often on USENET. The difference here is, we don't have our own personal kill-files, so it's hard to ignore such noise. Clicking Abuse isn't really a good substitute, but it's that or leave. And i had a good sub-thread on pies and global warming going, so leaving was out...
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Chris Maunder wrote:
but I'd prefer to listen to his side first.
You may notice that it was four specific posts I kept reposting: 1) The "definition" of what the Soapbox is, along with its "rules" 2) A mock apology that I had apparently misunderstood what I'd just posted 3) A link to a thread (from Oct or so of last year) at Internet Infidels, and minor commentary on the reasons I found that thread interesting 4) A response to A**** originally made last night in a long "vanished" thread, having to do with my assessment of what my good friends here have been doing to my posts for the past two or so days. Good luck reading this before the "grown-ups" vanish it.
'Dhimmitude' is a state of mind.
Being a dick doesn't make up for it though, so stop being a dick.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Chris Maunder wrote:
but I'd prefer to listen to his side first.
You may notice that it was four specific posts I kept reposting: 1) The "definition" of what the Soapbox is, along with its "rules" 2) A mock apology that I had apparently misunderstood what I'd just posted 3) A link to a thread (from Oct or so of last year) at Internet Infidels, and minor commentary on the reasons I found that thread interesting 4) A response to A**** originally made last night in a long "vanished" thread, having to do with my assessment of what my good friends here have been doing to my posts for the past two or so days. Good luck reading this before the "grown-ups" vanish it.
'Dhimmitude' is a state of mind.
Yes, it was hard not to notice them. I read 1 and 2 them all and I still had no idea of what your point was. Please - just let it go.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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The soapbox is for posts that aren't appropriate elsewhere. It is not a place to start flame wars, troll, push agendas or abuse the community. It's a forum like any other forum with the same rules of responsibility and civility. This is pathetic and honestly, I'm ready to just close it up.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Yes, it was hard not to notice them. I read 1 and 2 them all and I still had no idea of what your point was. Please - just let it go.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote:
What he wants is to be able to post his opinions and have them stay in view and not be voted as abusive.
Well, unless you're gonna kill the abuse feature and give him special "sticky post" status, he's not gonna get his way. FWIW, I watch this forum pretty closely, and i'm pretty sure not a single one of his threads was deleted until he started re-posting them after they'd been pushed off the first page. And that was after about a week of watching him cut quotes from threads that had been played out and start new threads composed of his "answers" to these quotes. Seeing someone stroke their ego by pasting together fake arguments isn't new, or interesting, or even that much of a problem in and of itself - i've seen this sort of thing fairly often on USENET. The difference here is, we don't have our own personal kill-files, so it's hard to ignore such noise. Clicking Abuse isn't really a good substitute, but it's that or leave. And i had a good sub-thread on pies and global warming going, so leaving was out...
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Shog9 wrote:
FWIW, I watch this forum pretty closely, and i'm pretty sure not a single one of his threads was deleted until he started re-posting them after they'd been pushed off the first page.
That's not true. I started reposting only after they started vanishing. At first, sometime over the weekend, it was sporadic, and I let it go. Then, on Sunday, they got their act together and started vanishing just about everything.
'Dhimmitude' is a state of mind.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Please - just let it go.
Certainly. But, do I have your permission to attempt to discuss things here?
'Dhimmitude' is a state of mind.
Of course you do, as long as you do not abuse the forums or the site.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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dighn wrote:
Please ban the blatant trolls too, if they start again.
Certainly, there are "trolls." But in my experience, the the persons quickest to accuse others of being a "troll" are often a closer fit to the accepted meaning of the term than the accused is.
'Dhimmitude' is a state of mind.
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Shog9 wrote:
FWIW, I watch this forum pretty closely, and i'm pretty sure not a single one of his threads was deleted until he started re-posting them after they'd been pushed off the first page.
That's not true. I started reposting only after they started vanishing. At first, sometime over the weekend, it was sporadic, and I let it go. Then, on Sunday, they got their act together and started vanishing just about everything.
'Dhimmitude' is a state of mind.
Ilíon wrote:
That's not true. I started reposting only after they started vanishing.
Fair 'nuff. I haven no way of knowing for certain when a post was deleted, but i know from my own recollection that you've re-posted threads that had already lived for at least a day in their first incarnation. Frankly, at that point it doesn't matter - it's still noise, and you know it.
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Of course you do, as long as you do not abuse the forums or the site.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Of course you do, as long as you do not abuse the forums or the site.
Mr Maunder, you've giving mixed signals here. On the one hand, I should "probably just move on" if I want to try to discuss thing rationally/logically, because it's "abusive" (as per community consensus) to identify the illogical arguments/assertions others make. On the other hand, if I'm not "abusive" (i.e. if I insult other persons right and left, as per community practice), then there is no difficulty. I gotta tell ya' that's dizzy-making. To me, at any rate.
'Dhimmitude' is a state of mind.
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Ilíon wrote:
That's not true. I started reposting only after they started vanishing.
Fair 'nuff. I haven no way of knowing for certain when a post was deleted, but i know from my own recollection that you've re-posted threads that had already lived for at least a day in their first incarnation. Frankly, at that point it doesn't matter - it's still noise, and you know it.
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Being a dick doesn't make up for it though, so stop being a dick.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Of course you do, as long as you do not abuse the forums or the site.
Mr Maunder, you've giving mixed signals here. On the one hand, I should "probably just move on" if I want to try to discuss thing rationally/logically, because it's "abusive" (as per community consensus) to identify the illogical arguments/assertions others make. On the other hand, if I'm not "abusive" (i.e. if I insult other persons right and left, as per community practice), then there is no difficulty. I gotta tell ya' that's dizzy-making. To me, at any rate.
'Dhimmitude' is a state of mind.
"Abuse" here means "Abuse of the site", meaning multiple reposts, and in this respect I'm asking you directly to stop abusing the forums. Abuse, in the form of "abusive messages" is a separate thing and I've updated the notes at the top of the forum to reflect this. Feel free to mark as abuse any post in this forum that is abusive to another member.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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dighn wrote:
Please ban the blatant trolls too, if they start again.
Certainly, there are "trolls." But in my experience, the the persons quickest to accuse others of being a "troll" are often a closer fit to the accepted meaning of the term than the accused is.
'Dhimmitude' is a state of mind.
Two wrongs do not make a right. Let's just move on, shall we? No more reposts.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Even-handedness is a virtue, isn't it? In case I was too obscure, mean the even-handedness by which the actually agreived party must share the blame so that everything is "fair." Anyway, it's a virtue, isn't it?
'Dhimmitude' is a state of mind.
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"Abuse" here means "Abuse of the site", meaning multiple reposts, and in this respect I'm asking you directly to stop abusing the forums. Abuse, in the form of "abusive messages" is a separate thing and I've updated the notes at the top of the forum to reflect this. Feel free to mark as abuse any post in this forum that is abusive to another member.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
"Abuse" here means "Abuse of the site", meaning multiple reposts, and in this respect I'm asking you directly to stop abusing the forums.
That isn't even something you *need* to ask me, as though the concept is something I am resistant to. I assure you, I did not enjoy single repost.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Abuse, in the form of "abusive messages" is a separate thing ...
Look, most of the really active regulars here go out of their way to express contempt for Christianity and for Christians. And that's ok, I'm not complaining; Christianity can take it. And I can take it, so long as I'm allowed to demolish the so-called arguments. However, because I am trying to get at the illogic and/or absurdity of so many of the claims and/or arguments put forward on the anti-Christianity side of the ledger, I am apparently "abusive," as per community consensus. It isn't true in fact, and I do not appreciate it. Now, if 'atheism' and/or 'atheistic' assertions have a privileged or protected status here at CP, I can live with that. As I told you, I came to CP for the programming, not for the Soapbox. However, it would have been nice to know about that special status beforehand.
'Dhimmitude' is a state of mind.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
"Abuse" here means "Abuse of the site", meaning multiple reposts, and in this respect I'm asking you directly to stop abusing the forums.
That isn't even something you *need* to ask me, as though the concept is something I am resistant to. I assure you, I did not enjoy single repost.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Abuse, in the form of "abusive messages" is a separate thing ...
Look, most of the really active regulars here go out of their way to express contempt for Christianity and for Christians. And that's ok, I'm not complaining; Christianity can take it. And I can take it, so long as I'm allowed to demolish the so-called arguments. However, because I am trying to get at the illogic and/or absurdity of so many of the claims and/or arguments put forward on the anti-Christianity side of the ledger, I am apparently "abusive," as per community consensus. It isn't true in fact, and I do not appreciate it. Now, if 'atheism' and/or 'atheistic' assertions have a privileged or protected status here at CP, I can live with that. As I told you, I came to CP for the programming, not for the Soapbox. However, it would have been nice to know about that special status beforehand.
'Dhimmitude' is a state of mind.
There is no special status. This is a programming site. The bottom line is: Have your discussions, do not expect careful, rigourous logic, and if the community decides that your approach is unacceptable then learn to understand what the problem is and work with the community to learn how to interact in a way that is acceptable to all. But if you have an axe to grind take it elsewhere.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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dighn wrote:
Please ban the blatant trolls too, if they start again.
Certainly, there are "trolls." But in my experience, the the persons quickest to accuse others of being a "troll" are often a closer fit to the accepted meaning of the term than the accused is.
'Dhimmitude' is a state of mind.
In my experience, the troll is the person who consistently posts outrageous and controversial material for the sole purpose of inciting flame. Are you a troll? I haven't visited here enough to tell. But I know a few who consistently troll around here. On most forums they'd be banned in an instant.
