Dell Polls PC Users on Favorite Linux Varieties
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i think you see the world too much related to windows
"there is no spoon" {me}
Well, i do think he underestimates the "bought the hype" camp - there sure seem to be more "my hacker bf says Linux is kewl" chicks around than would fit into 5%. But keep in mind, this is Dell we're talking about - "complex kickback schemes on CPUs" Dell. The Dell that's refused to sell Linux or clean systems for years, just because they lose out on hidden promotional $$$ that way. Why wouldn't they have a game going now...
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ummmmmm i think you dont understand but its ok :)
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l a u r e n wrote:
naaaaaaaa some people actually like linux i think you see the world too much related to windows ummmmmm i think you dont understand
So far this (above) is all you've said. When it comes to understanding something there's not much to understand. I agreed that some people like Linux. I disagreed that I see the world too much related to Windows. I don't. I use 4 different Linux operating systems, 2 different Mac operating systems and Windows. (But as Microsoft has greater than 80% of the desktop market share I'd guess there's a lot to see from the Windows angle and Dell would like there slice of that 80% I'd guess...) I'd say that makes me very well rounded. I used Linux all through college and enjoyed it. I have a $4000 laptop that is only running Linux. I'm also a business owner and I understand things that motivate businesses to make decisions. If I'm not understanding something it's because you haven't really expressed anything other than opinion and opinions by nature do not need to be understood. It's your opinion. If you want me to understand something then please use tangible concepts and ideas not opinions and bias's largely directed at me. I've been using Linux since 1993 when I first entered school and I've used it constantly since Red Hat 6.0 (circa 1997/1998). I've scripted the shell, I've built $8000 kiosks running Linux and some of the most sophisticated wireless gear I've ever seen. Please help me to understand.;)
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l a u r e n wrote:
naaaaaaaa some people actually like linux i think you see the world too much related to windows ummmmmm i think you dont understand
So far this (above) is all you've said. When it comes to understanding something there's not much to understand. I agreed that some people like Linux. I disagreed that I see the world too much related to Windows. I don't. I use 4 different Linux operating systems, 2 different Mac operating systems and Windows. (But as Microsoft has greater than 80% of the desktop market share I'd guess there's a lot to see from the Windows angle and Dell would like there slice of that 80% I'd guess...) I'd say that makes me very well rounded. I used Linux all through college and enjoyed it. I have a $4000 laptop that is only running Linux. I'm also a business owner and I understand things that motivate businesses to make decisions. If I'm not understanding something it's because you haven't really expressed anything other than opinion and opinions by nature do not need to be understood. It's your opinion. If you want me to understand something then please use tangible concepts and ideas not opinions and bias's largely directed at me. I've been using Linux since 1993 when I first entered school and I've used it constantly since Red Hat 6.0 (circa 1997/1998). I've scripted the shell, I've built $8000 kiosks running Linux and some of the most sophisticated wireless gear I've ever seen. Please help me to understand.;)
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next. - Gladiator I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact.
you see it all as a ploy to get pricing on windows down maybe its because enough people are asking for linux on their machines ever thought about that?
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Well, i do think he underestimates the "bought the hype" camp - there sure seem to be more "my hacker bf says Linux is kewl" chicks around than would fit into 5%. But keep in mind, this is Dell we're talking about - "complex kickback schemes on CPUs" Dell. The Dell that's refused to sell Linux or clean systems for years, just because they lose out on hidden promotional $$$ that way. Why wouldn't they have a game going now...
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
bacause maybe its good for them to have a loss leader (if it is) so they get a foot in the linux camp just in case it comes to anything ... and because a lot of businesses are running hetrogenous stuff now and want a rounded supplier prolly many other reasons too i just was saying i think he is too cynical and sees the world too much as windows from whichever way it comes
"there is no spoon" {me}
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you see it all as a ploy to get pricing on windows down maybe its because enough people are asking for linux on their machines ever thought about that?
"there is no spoon" {me}
Ah! We've been talking about two different things. I've just been talking about the Poll as a stunt. No I do think people want Linux on their machines. But I've been on the Dell website several times a year for 3 years and every time I've ordered getting Linux has always been an option. That's the point I'm making. It's not like Dell is just *now* listening to the customer and adding Linux. Dell has been listening to the customer for years. Linux has been an option and so have the XP refunds from Dell for quite a while and I believe that's due to Linux demand. I think this latest poll and the press around it is a multi-faceted ploy. I do believe that Dell is reaching out more proactively to a userbase that wants Linux for sure. I also think the are sending a message to Redmond. I don't see this purely as an open gesture of friendship to Linux users. I also see it as a political/economic strategy on their part. But yes, absolutely! Demand for Linux is definitely on the rise and Vista is bolstering that demand. Even without the mixed reception of Vista, Linux demand is going to increase. Linux just makes too much sense for businesses not to embrace it if it suits their business model and more and more businesses are changing their model to make Linux adoption easier. So yeah, I agree with that.
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next. - Gladiator I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact.
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bacause maybe its good for them to have a loss leader (if it is) so they get a foot in the linux camp just in case it comes to anything ... and because a lot of businesses are running hetrogenous stuff now and want a rounded supplier prolly many other reasons too i just was saying i think he is too cynical and sees the world too much as windows from whichever way it comes
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l a u r e n wrote:
bacause maybe its good for them to have a loss leader (if it is) so they get a foot in the linux camp just in case it comes to anything ... and because a lot of businesses are running hetrogenous stuff now and want a rounded supplier
Well, see... that's probably all true. But, IMHO, it's been true for years now, and Dell hasn't been interested, except on the server side of things (which kinda fits in with the hetrogenous supplier draw). So long story short, you're both cynics. Rex is cynical about Dell, and you're cynical about his cynicism. Meanwhile, I think Dell has ulterior motives and we're all gonna benefit from them. See? Optimism!
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Ah! We've been talking about two different things. I've just been talking about the Poll as a stunt. No I do think people want Linux on their machines. But I've been on the Dell website several times a year for 3 years and every time I've ordered getting Linux has always been an option. That's the point I'm making. It's not like Dell is just *now* listening to the customer and adding Linux. Dell has been listening to the customer for years. Linux has been an option and so have the XP refunds from Dell for quite a while and I believe that's due to Linux demand. I think this latest poll and the press around it is a multi-faceted ploy. I do believe that Dell is reaching out more proactively to a userbase that wants Linux for sure. I also think the are sending a message to Redmond. I don't see this purely as an open gesture of friendship to Linux users. I also see it as a political/economic strategy on their part. But yes, absolutely! Demand for Linux is definitely on the rise and Vista is bolstering that demand. Even without the mixed reception of Vista, Linux demand is going to increase. Linux just makes too much sense for businesses not to embrace it if it suits their business model and more and more businesses are changing their model to make Linux adoption easier. So yeah, I agree with that.
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next. - Gladiator I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact.
ok ok ... miscommunication ... my bad the poll is exactly a waste of time like you say ... linux users already know what they want and will install it anyways ... they just want hardware that works with linux :cool:
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ok ok ... miscommunication ... my bad the poll is exactly a waste of time like you say ... linux users already know what they want and will install it anyways ... they just want hardware that works with linux :cool:
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l a u r e n wrote:
linux users already know what they want and will install it anyways ... they just want hardware that works with linux
Yup! I couldn't agree more with that.:rose::cool:
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next. - Gladiator I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact.
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l a u r e n wrote:
bacause maybe its good for them to have a loss leader (if it is) so they get a foot in the linux camp just in case it comes to anything ... and because a lot of businesses are running hetrogenous stuff now and want a rounded supplier
Well, see... that's probably all true. But, IMHO, it's been true for years now, and Dell hasn't been interested, except on the server side of things (which kinda fits in with the hetrogenous supplier draw). So long story short, you're both cynics. Rex is cynical about Dell, and you're cynical about his cynicism. Meanwhile, I think Dell has ulterior motives and we're all gonna benefit from them. See? Optimism!
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
I'm cynical towards anything wanting my money... which includes my children.:laugh:
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next. - Gladiator I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact.
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I think it's a spoof, which is to say more bark than true bite. I think it's a lashback against Microsoft and Vista pricing/licensing issues. I think Linux is being used in manipulative fashion to try and put pressure on Microsoft to improve/lower pricing on Vista and to fix current licensing constraints then general population isn't happy with. Frankly if Dell could accurately get the median age of those wanting a Vista alternative named "{Distro} Linux" they would find "...these aren't the droids you are looking for..." and Dell knows it. This is a publicity stunt to get Microsoft to enter a reduced pricing relationship with just Dell (Dell hopes) or everyone (still good but not as good as just Dell) then Dell can charge the same but keep more in the vaults for themselves or they can restructure pricing a touch and still make more money but also keep more in the coffers. I'm blowing my whistle and calling this a publicity/media stunt with one goal in mind... Getting Microsoft to wiggle on a few "terms" to give Dell a market advantage and honestly I think it's going to work.
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next. - Gladiator I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact.
I believe Raymond Chen had a blog post on focus groups and noted that many people who said they would spend $x on a certain feature in the focus group didn't actually do so in practice. Found it: http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2004/10/12/241228.aspx[^].
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,129809-page,1/article.html#[^] This may be a harbinger of good things - like real competition! Personally, I believe that the Linux desktop is no where near as polished as Windows, but now maybe the marketplace will finally be able to put some healthy pressure on Microsoft, the way it should.
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