Dodgy American Accents.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Yours isn't the only accent that gets brutalised.
No kidding. I'm originally from Boston, and I think there should be a law that only Matt Damon and Marky Mark should be allowed to play Bostonians.
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How about we do away with the Bostonian accept? Other than the Bronx it is about the hardest thing to understand of the US accents.
CleaKO
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Pete O`Hanlon wrote:
He's not. He was born in America. Peekskill New York to be exact.
But he moved to Australia as a toddler until he was a teenager.
CleaKO
"I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that.'" - Tommy (Tommy Boy)
"Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)CleaKO wrote:
he moved to Australia as a toddler until he was a teenager.
You can, and do, pick up accents especially children, but even as adults simply by continual exposure. However, it is never a natural accent to the localized culture. To the person speaking the "new" accent and anyone not speaking from a natural accent the results sound similar enough, but to any natural speaker it sounds obvious. During my 8 months in Oklahoma, I did pick up an Oklahoma accent, complete with colorful language as most locals in Tulsa cuss to make a sailor blush. But it still wasn't the same as the locals, though I did have to clean it up to return to NM. To get a natural accent, you really need continual exposure before the age of 5. There are no hard-line rules of where this line is, each person is an individual and different levels of exposure are required. Some people can pick up languages with near natural accents. They become the best translators since a great deal of secondary information similar to body-language is passed in cultural/localized accent/vocabularies. This is primarily why there is no one English language for everyone. Cheeky can be funny, or descriptive of a telephone repairman's choice in jeans.
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My wife was a life-long Daltrey fan. Until last night. He would have been far better keeping his own accent (with a little back-story) and is, in any case, a bloody awful actor. Hugh Lawrire, on the other hand, is magnificent as House (the new series starts here tomorrow night). Apparently he frets constantly over getting the accent right and has a voice coach to help him along. And he's upper-middle class, not upper class even though he went to Eton. Toodle-pip. More tea, vicar? Cor blimey, guv'ner. TTFN. Cheerio. Well I'll be buggered. Tatty-bye. Cheers. Hi-de-hi. We NEVER, EVER say any of the above anymore. Well, not since last week, anyway.
digital man wrote:
Toodle-pip. More tea, vicar? Cor blimey, guv'ner. TTFN. Cheerio. Well I'll be buggered. Tatty-bye. Cheers. Hi-de-hi. We NEVER, EVER say any of the above anymore.
Uh oh - looks like I've been in America too long. There's at least two of those phrases that I still use! But I'm still a green-card holder and not a citizen yet, so I can get away with it.... right?
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What about Renée Zellweger in Bridget Jones Diary? I've only seen pieces of the movie but I've read several reviews that claimed she nailed the accent. Any Brits care to comment?
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Any Brits care to comment
Yeah, she was god awful, nobody (really nobody) speaks like that anymore, except maybe aristo's of 50 odd years ago, only the Queen kind of speaks that way these days - she's allowed to, it is called Queens english after all :)
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What about Renée Zellweger in Bridget Jones Diary? I've only seen pieces of the movie but I've read several reviews that claimed she nailed the accent. Any Brits care to comment?
"If you drink, don't drive. Don't even putt." - Dean Martin
Bit too posh. Same with Gwyneth Paltrow every single time she's been asked to do a British accent.
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Grundyfoot wrote:
and what about Daphne trying to be Mancunian in Frasier?
Well, she isn't that bad for an Essex girl!
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How about we do away with the Bostonian accept? Other than the Bronx it is about the hardest thing to understand of the US accents.
CleaKO
"I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that.'" - Tommy (Tommy Boy)
"Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)CleaKO wrote:
How about we do away with the Bostonian accept? Other than the Bronx it is about the hardest thing to understand of the US accents.
Really? I never have any trouble. ;) It's fun to watch midwesterners look concerned when you say your kid is "ahtistic" or that we're going to get a "pahty platta."
Faith is a fine invention For gentlemen who see; But microscopes are prudent In an emergency! -Emily Dickinson
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My wife was a life-long Daltrey fan. Until last night. He would have been far better keeping his own accent (with a little back-story) and is, in any case, a bloody awful actor. Hugh Lawrire, on the other hand, is magnificent as House (the new series starts here tomorrow night). Apparently he frets constantly over getting the accent right and has a voice coach to help him along. And he's upper-middle class, not upper class even though he went to Eton. Toodle-pip. More tea, vicar? Cor blimey, guv'ner. TTFN. Cheerio. Well I'll be buggered. Tatty-bye. Cheers. Hi-de-hi. We NEVER, EVER say any of the above anymore. Well, not since last week, anyway.
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Before our Transatlantic cousins worry, I'm not commenting on American accents. Instead, this is about British "actors" who attempt American accents with, quite often, totally laughable results. (The only thing worse being American actors trying British accents - Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins for example, or how about Mel Gibson's strange Scottish accent in Braveheart). Last night, I watched an episode of CSI which featured Roger Daltrey as a Las Vegas mobster. His accent was so bad, that I had to cringe. What about Hugh Laurie as House? Surely the producers could have found somebody in America who had an American accent. I know that he's a fine comic actor - his renditions of the bumbling George in Blackadder or Bertie Wooster in Jeeves and Wooster are superb, but comeon America - he's an upper class Englishman. You can do better than that. So, a piece of advice for the American entertainment industry. You have some superb actors. Use them for the American roles, and use the British actors when you need a British one. Oh, and by the way, we don't all live in castles or picturesque little cottages, and some of us actually have regional accents. We don't all say "Top ho" or "Tinkety tonk".
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I think Laurie does a fine American accent. (Do note that the show takes place in the coastal northeast; there are dozens of accents along the Atlantic coastal area, some of them quite bizarre.) Until I saw the premiere of The Riches (a truly awful show), among big time actors, I thought Kevin Costner did the worse accent of all time in Robin Hood. It was so bad, he seemed to give up after the first few scenes. However, Eddie Izzard and Minnie Driver manage to do an even worse job (though with an alleged American accent this time.) I have noticed that actors with native British accents tend to either go southern (the southern accent is clearly derivative of the British accent) or Minnesotan. RE: Roger Daltrey. I don't like CSI, but that aside, why not just make his character British in the first place? Heck, he could have been adopted at twelve or something. (I actually worked with a guy born in Britain and adopted by American parents as a child. He still had an accent. Even he couldn't explain why.)
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CleaKO wrote:
How about we do away with the Bostonian accept? Other than the Bronx it is about the hardest thing to understand of the US accents.
Really? I never have any trouble. ;) It's fun to watch midwesterners look concerned when you say your kid is "ahtistic" or that we're going to get a "pahty platta."
Faith is a fine invention For gentlemen who see; But microscopes are prudent In an emergency! -Emily Dickinson
I listen to Car Talk so I get to hear Bostonians every week! ;P
CleaKO
"I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that.'" - Tommy (Tommy Boy)
"Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School) -
Grundyfoot wrote:
and what about Daphne trying to be Mancunian in Frasier?
Well, she isn't that bad for an Essex girl!
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True, I suppose, but most people can manage a half-passable impersonation of Vera Duckworth or Noel/Liam Gallagher. It's also odd that all the characters who play her family on the show also have problems with the accent. Maybe they should have copped out and made her character an Essex Girl.
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Before our Transatlantic cousins worry, I'm not commenting on American accents. Instead, this is about British "actors" who attempt American accents with, quite often, totally laughable results. (The only thing worse being American actors trying British accents - Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins for example, or how about Mel Gibson's strange Scottish accent in Braveheart). Last night, I watched an episode of CSI which featured Roger Daltrey as a Las Vegas mobster. His accent was so bad, that I had to cringe. What about Hugh Laurie as House? Surely the producers could have found somebody in America who had an American accent. I know that he's a fine comic actor - his renditions of the bumbling George in Blackadder or Bertie Wooster in Jeeves and Wooster are superb, but comeon America - he's an upper class Englishman. You can do better than that. So, a piece of advice for the American entertainment industry. You have some superb actors. Use them for the American roles, and use the British actors when you need a British one. Oh, and by the way, we don't all live in castles or picturesque little cottages, and some of us actually have regional accents. We don't all say "Top ho" or "Tinkety tonk".
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The actor that plays Lee Adama on the new Battlestar Galactica has an incredibly neutral north american (canadian?) accent in character but a very british accent in real life. Lucy Lawless has a great neutral north american accent as well. I know what you mean though, particularly 80's an 90's british shows for some reason have a token american in them from time to time and they sound like a cowboy from a 50's movie for some reason. For the most part when I see someone in North America doing a british accent it's usually a comedy show of some kind and it's usually an imitation of the queen for some reason.
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I think Laurie does a fine American accent. (Do note that the show takes place in the coastal northeast; there are dozens of accents along the Atlantic coastal area, some of them quite bizarre.) Until I saw the premiere of The Riches (a truly awful show), among big time actors, I thought Kevin Costner did the worse accent of all time in Robin Hood. It was so bad, he seemed to give up after the first few scenes. However, Eddie Izzard and Minnie Driver manage to do an even worse job (though with an alleged American accent this time.) I have noticed that actors with native British accents tend to either go southern (the southern accent is clearly derivative of the British accent) or Minnesotan. RE: Roger Daltrey. I don't like CSI, but that aside, why not just make his character British in the first place? Heck, he could have been adopted at twelve or something. (I actually worked with a guy born in Britain and adopted by American parents as a child. He still had an accent. Even he couldn't explain why.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Joe Woodbury wrote:
the southern accent is clearly derivative of the British accent
Wha I declare! Whatever do you mean by that statement? :laugh: Since when did us Southeners have any more of a derived British accent that Northeners?
CleaKO
"I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that.'" - Tommy (Tommy Boy)
"Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School) -
The actor that plays Lee Adama on the new Battlestar Galactica has an incredibly neutral north american (canadian?) accent in character but a very british accent in real life. Lucy Lawless has a great neutral north american accent as well. I know what you mean though, particularly 80's an 90's british shows for some reason have a token american in them from time to time and they sound like a cowboy from a 50's movie for some reason. For the most part when I see someone in North America doing a british accent it's usually a comedy show of some kind and it's usually an imitation of the queen for some reason.
John Cardinal wrote:
Lucy Lawless has a great neutral north american accent as well.
She's not American??? Sheesh...
CleaKO
"I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that.'" - Tommy (Tommy Boy)
"Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School) -
Joe Woodbury wrote:
the southern accent is clearly derivative of the British accent
Wha I declare! Whatever do you mean by that statement? :laugh: Since when did us Southeners have any more of a derived British accent that Northeners?
CleaKO
"I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that.'" - Tommy (Tommy Boy)
"Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)Linguistically, the southern accent is closer to the British accent than that of the northeast. This can be especially heard in parts of the Appalachians, where the Scottish influence is evident, and portions of the Carolinas coastal regions. There is even an island in that area where their accent is still British for all intents and purposes. (And bad fake southern accents are just as painful to the ear as any other.) As an aside, one of the most curious things I've run across are Southern Belles (upper and upper middle class spoiled white girls) who can crank their accents up and down on will. At college I knew a girl from Virginia who had a very slight accent during normal conversation but would dial it up when she wanted something from you. What was most odd was that her older brothers, who I also knew, had no southern accent at all.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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David Kentley wrote:
every episode is exactly the same
Nonsense. In one episode I watched, the patient had a mysterious illness, and House tried lots of things which didn't work. He then had a brainwave at the last minute, and the patient was cured. In another episode, the patient had a mysterious infirmity, and House tried lots of things which didn't work. He then had a brainwave at the last minute, and the patient was cured. In a third episode, the patient had a mysterious infection, and House tried lots of things which didn't work. He then had a brainwave at the last minute, and the patient was cured. You see? Every week there's a whole new storyline...
.. but wait, you forgot the part where House almost kills the patient 40 minutes into every eposide. Honestly, I think it's a great show :)
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