Start-up network admins read this:
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Well you would probably be well aware that almost all networks log everything you do. This means that when they look through the logs they find out exactly the same data that I take (BTW I only monitor domains). Anyway the reason I use graphs is because only sites that seem to be seriously over used show up. This way your personal browsing habits can continue without them being watched (unless you go to a site enough to trigger something).
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
Network admins don't want to babysit their users. They have more important daily disasters to fix and monitor. Website blocking is an effective and totally legal way of handling the problem. What happens if your heart surgeon stopped half way during performing surgery on you because he got a text message about a cool youtube video?
Later, JoeSox "Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work." -Aristotle CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ Last.fm
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Bradml wrote:
Well if I get hit by a "This page has been Blocked" message and it isn't met with a damn good explanation then I stop working, walk to the IT managers office and ask for an administrator account.
Then what are you complaining about?
Bradml wrote:
Also there are guys who work 14 hour days regularly, can you really deny them a bit of R&R every now and then?
Then they can afford their own laptops and aircards. Or geez, go for a freaking walk. If you are tired of sitting at your desk, get up and walk around for crying out loud. I'm sure the 15 minutes checking your myspace account won't change your destroy R&R.
Bradml wrote:
Care to explain that?
What's to explain? Why risk your company's stock price to drop because your company gets bad press about employees surfing the internet, posting work youtubes, posting blogs during working hours, etc. or/and the company is evaluated as a high productivity risk. From an executive standpoint, they are controlling productivity.
Bradml wrote:
but I am approaching this from a strictly business point of view.
I don't see how. What specific sites do you need access to for you to keep your sanity at work. This sounds like a bigger issue here. Why can't you just bring in a laptop and surf what you want? That's what I do. Works for me, and gives me all the freedom I need.
Later, JoeSox "Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work." -Aristotle CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ Last.fm
JoeSox wrote:
Then what are you complaining about?
Not everyone who has the rules imposed on them is in a position to get an Admin account.
JoeSox wrote:
Then they can afford their own laptops and aircards. Or geez, go for a freaking walk. If you are tired of sitting at your desk, get up and walk around for crying out loud. I'm sure the 15 minutes checking your myspace account won't change your destroy R&R.
Of course they can afford it, but then why not just use the equipment that is provided for them. As for the walk... physical exercise is great but do you seriously expect to be let out of the office every time you need a little break from coding?
JoeSox wrote:
hat's to explain? Why risk your company's stock price to drop because your company gets bad press about employees surfing the internet, posting work youtubes, posting blogs during working hours, etc. or/and the company is evaluated as a high productivity risk. From an executive standpoint, they are controlling productivity
Ok I get it now, well as stated before it is actually beneficial to productivity when used responsibly. And I feel that it is a misunderstanding in personal control that if you stop them doing anything else, they will do what you want them too better.
JoeSox wrote:
I don't see how. What specific sites do you need access to for you to keep your sanity at work. This sounds like a bigger issue here. Why can't you just bring in a laptop and surf what you want? That's what I do. Works for me, and gives me all the freedom I need.
So you are saying make them less productive?
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Ok I have seen this in way too many companies in the last couple days: website blocking. Guys this is not right, it inspires distrust and a us and them mentality between management and workers. I am not saying that you cannot block anything, in fact i have a long list of what you can block:
- Pornography
After that there is nothing that truly justifies blocking. Buy I hear screaming.... "What about productivity".... well I will tell you how I handle this: I monitor the browsing habits of every employee. This means I can get the amount of time that is spent browsing certain websites and I graph it all. Then I spend a couple minutes every week looking through the graphs and look for the high browsing activity. If this happens to be MySpace then I look at which employees are using it the most and make a note of it. If this happens continually I just have a casual conversation with them and ask they don't visit the site as much. Now I have hardly had to do that because they know I will pick it up on it and also they are generally a great bunch anyway. One thing to be careful about here is that you may upset an employee if you come out of the blue and tell them to stop reading so many emails, so just use tact. Also it helps to do it in a group without specifying certain people. Does anyone have a strict network administrator?
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
Well, if a company employs you, thus your are their employee, using their equipment and their dime, then they have the right to control anything they like and most of them should. Too many employees waste company resources to non-company business. While I think developers would be more apt to use the resources properly, there is still plenty of room for abuse.
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: 20 Years to Web standards or a New Dream? Latest Tech Blog Post: Corel Lightning - what is the plan?
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Network admins don't want to babysit their users. They have more important daily disasters to fix and monitor. Website blocking is an effective and totally legal way of handling the problem. What happens if your heart surgeon stopped half way during performing surgery on you because he got a text message about a cool youtube video?
Later, JoeSox "Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work." -Aristotle CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ Last.fm
I never said it was illegal, but actually good employees don't need babysitting. For the ones who abuse privilege then they are easily caught. Anyway I think that is there is a slight difference between writing a piece of software and performing open heart surgery... Anyway you aren't permitted to have cell phones in an operating theater so this situation is highly unlikely to ever happen.
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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Well, if a company employs you, thus your are their employee, using their equipment and their dime, then they have the right to control anything they like and most of them should. Too many employees waste company resources to non-company business. While I think developers would be more apt to use the resources properly, there is still plenty of room for abuse.
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: 20 Years to Web standards or a New Dream? Latest Tech Blog Post: Corel Lightning - what is the plan?
Yes they have the right to do this, but as to if they should i disagree. Yes there is plenty of room for abuse, but I trust most of my employees not to abuse something like this and if they do I handle it, instead of punishing all of the other employees who do the right thing. Anyway your profile states that you are a business owner so maybe in your offices you don't think that employees can be trusted with a bit of freedom or that it would effect your productivity levels if they were to be able to focus on something other then work every now and again. I find it encourages a healthy work community but you could quite possibly have found that it does not with people in your office.
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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Network admins don't want to babysit their users. They have more important daily disasters to fix and monitor. Website blocking is an effective and totally legal way of handling the problem. What happens if your heart surgeon stopped half way during performing surgery on you because he got a text message about a cool youtube video?
Later, JoeSox "Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work." -Aristotle CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ Last.fm
JoeSox wrote:
What happens if your heart surgeon stopped half way during performing surgery on you because he got a text message about a cool youtube video?
What happens if your heart surgeon shows up burned out and crabby because someone in the lounge kept slapping the copy of Newsweek out of his hands? Or shutting off the TV while he was trying to wind down from the previous 12-hour surgery? Maybe we should just lock surgeons into little windowless rooms between surgeries... think that'd help anything?
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Well, if a company employs you, thus your are their employee, using their equipment and their dime, then they have the right to control anything they like and most of them should. Too many employees waste company resources to non-company business. While I think developers would be more apt to use the resources properly, there is still plenty of room for abuse.
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: 20 Years to Web standards or a New Dream? Latest Tech Blog Post: Corel Lightning - what is the plan?
Rocky Moore wrote:
Too many employees waste company resources to non-company business.
You know, you're right. I spend a lot of time during the day browsing through news sites, reading CP forums, scanning blogs... Of course, i've also been teetering on the edge of complete burnout for many months now. I have a huge workload with no end in sight, and way too many things with my job that i'm unhappy about but can't seem to change. The "non-company business" is one of the few things that helps me relax enough during the day to keep something approaching a professional attitude towards the rest of it. So hey, why not lock everything down just for the heck of it. I hear prison inmates are some pretty motivated, cheerful folk. :|
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It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.
--Raymond Chen on MSDN
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JoeSox wrote:
Then what are you complaining about?
Not everyone who has the rules imposed on them is in a position to get an Admin account.
JoeSox wrote:
Then they can afford their own laptops and aircards. Or geez, go for a freaking walk. If you are tired of sitting at your desk, get up and walk around for crying out loud. I'm sure the 15 minutes checking your myspace account won't change your destroy R&R.
Of course they can afford it, but then why not just use the equipment that is provided for them. As for the walk... physical exercise is great but do you seriously expect to be let out of the office every time you need a little break from coding?
JoeSox wrote:
hat's to explain? Why risk your company's stock price to drop because your company gets bad press about employees surfing the internet, posting work youtubes, posting blogs during working hours, etc. or/and the company is evaluated as a high productivity risk. From an executive standpoint, they are controlling productivity
Ok I get it now, well as stated before it is actually beneficial to productivity when used responsibly. And I feel that it is a misunderstanding in personal control that if you stop them doing anything else, they will do what you want them too better.
JoeSox wrote:
I don't see how. What specific sites do you need access to for you to keep your sanity at work. This sounds like a bigger issue here. Why can't you just bring in a laptop and surf what you want? That's what I do. Works for me, and gives me all the freedom I need.
So you are saying make them less productive?
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Bradml wrote:
Not everyone who has the rules imposed on them is in a position to get an Admin account.
Well, it sounds like you may have the authority to ask your net admin yourself why your company is blocking sites. Who knows, maybe the bosses wife is on that site that just got blocked. :rolleyes:
Bradml wrote:
So you are saying make them less productive?
My spidey sense detects fallacy of interrogation but I shall proceed, No, I did not say that and your context makes no sense as to my statements. If your company is blocking websites you desire, you have legal rights too and bring in your own laptop. Its better then creating a dramatic scene at your job. Its a far more classier and gentlemanly solution, imo. The company I work for doesn't block websites and I still bring in my own laptop in addition to using my company's pc. I'm so darn busy I don't even have time to do "R&R" things, must be nice, I remember those times when I use to have my on office. Ah, the good 'ol days. I only do personal stuff on my breaks and at lunch now, but if I do some personal compositions here and there I generally use my laptop. It legally tougher for a company to ban you or fire you for using your personal computer than it is to get caught on a company pc. If its really an issue. Another reason for using my laptop is so I have all my music on one common place. My last company pc had a bunch of music and it just takes too long to back it all up and transfer that crap, this way I avoid any difficulties and have a better conscious too.
Later, JoeSox "Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work." -Aristotle CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ Last.fm
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Well, if a company employs you, thus your are their employee, using their equipment and their dime, then they have the right to control anything they like and most of them should. Too many employees waste company resources to non-company business. While I think developers would be more apt to use the resources properly, there is still plenty of room for abuse.
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: 20 Years to Web standards or a New Dream? Latest Tech Blog Post: Corel Lightning - what is the plan?
Rocky Moore wrote:
waste company resources to non-company business
Yes some employees do waste company resources on non-company business but speaking from the perspective of the employee. I know that after working on a project for a week straight if I don't do anything else I am completely burnt out and sick of the project. If I take a bit of time off each day to check forums like here and relax a bit i am much more productive and I sometimes get work done ahead of time.
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I never said it was illegal, but actually good employees don't need babysitting. For the ones who abuse privilege then they are easily caught. Anyway I think that is there is a slight difference between writing a piece of software and performing open heart surgery... Anyway you aren't permitted to have cell phones in an operating theater so this situation is highly unlikely to ever happen.
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
Bradml wrote:
Anyway I think that is there is a slight difference between writing a piece of software and performing open heart surgery... Anyway you aren't permitted to have cell phones in an operating theater so this situation is highly unlikely to ever happen.
Of course, objection sustained. :)
Later, JoeSox "Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work." -Aristotle CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ Last.fm
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Yes they have the right to do this, but as to if they should i disagree. Yes there is plenty of room for abuse, but I trust most of my employees not to abuse something like this and if they do I handle it, instead of punishing all of the other employees who do the right thing. Anyway your profile states that you are a business owner so maybe in your offices you don't think that employees can be trusted with a bit of freedom or that it would effect your productivity levels if they were to be able to focus on something other then work every now and again. I find it encourages a healthy work community but you could quite possibly have found that it does not with people in your office.
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
I think it is real simple, if you are working for someone, you should be working for them, not checking your person email, not scanning for the new TV you want to buy, not keeping up with the latest ebay finds, you are there to work, it is best to be about it and not playing around. It is sad, but in today's world one of the biggest shopping days after Thanksgiving is on the following Monday when people get back to work. A business is just that a business, if people want to play or whatever, then they should do it in their off time. As for me, I work for myself, by myself. I just wish I could get my lazy employee to work and quite spending so much time on CP... Vista has a nice method of blocking sites, but unfortunately, I know the password and can always unblock them :)
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Rocky Moore wrote:
Too many employees waste company resources to non-company business.
You know, you're right. I spend a lot of time during the day browsing through news sites, reading CP forums, scanning blogs... Of course, i've also been teetering on the edge of complete burnout for many months now. I have a huge workload with no end in sight, and way too many things with my job that i'm unhappy about but can't seem to change. The "non-company business" is one of the few things that helps me relax enough during the day to keep something approaching a professional attitude towards the rest of it. So hey, why not lock everything down just for the heck of it. I hear prison inmates are some pretty motivated, cheerful folk. :|
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It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.
--Raymond Chen on MSDN
Shog9 wrote:
way too many things with my job that i'm unhappy about but can't seem to change
Then clearly you should not be working in that company as you are harming you and the company. They need an employee that wants to work and shares their goals. You clearly want a change. So, if you did not have the option to waste their time, you might already have quit and done both you and the business good ;)
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: 20 Years to Web standards or a New Dream? Latest Tech Blog Post: Corel Lightning - what is the plan?
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JoeSox wrote:
What happens if your heart surgeon stopped half way during performing surgery on you because he got a text message about a cool youtube video?
What happens if your heart surgeon shows up burned out and crabby because someone in the lounge kept slapping the copy of Newsweek out of his hands? Or shutting off the TV while he was trying to wind down from the previous 12-hour surgery? Maybe we should just lock surgeons into little windowless rooms between surgeries... think that'd help anything?
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It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.
--Raymond Chen on MSDN
Shog9 wrote:
What happens if your heart surgeon shows up burned out and crabby because someone in the lounge kept slapping the copy of Newsweek out of his hands?
I need more info before judging. Was it his own Newsweek or the hospitals? Who was slapping it, hospital staff or nonhospital staff?
Shog9 wrote:
Or shutting off the TV while he was trying to wind down from the previous 12-hour surgery?
It was probably just another rerun of M.A.S.H. anyways.
Shog9 wrote:
Maybe we should just lock surgeons into little windowless rooms between surgeries... think that'd help anything?
Do they get free energy drinks?
Later, JoeSox "Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work." -Aristotle CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ Last.fm
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Rocky Moore wrote:
waste company resources to non-company business
Yes some employees do waste company resources on non-company business but speaking from the perspective of the employee. I know that after working on a project for a week straight if I don't do anything else I am completely burnt out and sick of the project. If I take a bit of time off each day to check forums like here and relax a bit i am much more productive and I sometimes get work done ahead of time.
Andymac4182 wrote:
a week straight if I don't do anything else I am completely burnt out and sick of the project.
This seems to be a common thread, people doing what they do not want to do. I know in a developer position there are times when you have to push through on some things that are not that great or happen to do code that you think is stupid just because a client wants it, if you tire of a project after only a week on it, I think it is more you are burnt out on the company and maybe it is time for a change. Additionally, there is 24 hours in a day, 8 of which some people spend at work (not including lunch). That still leaves, even with travel, 12 hours per day to relax and browse the web or whatever a person wants. If you need more time, just ask for some unpaid time off or take some time during the day and then work late, but the business should get their time for which they paid. When I take a contract on a job, I do not tell them I need some time to play or get my mind clear, I cannot charge them for time to relax. Imagine receiving and invoice with x amount of hours of relaxation time. I am sure that would never be paid :)
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Shog9 wrote:
What happens if your heart surgeon shows up burned out and crabby because someone in the lounge kept slapping the copy of Newsweek out of his hands?
I need more info before judging. Was it his own Newsweek or the hospitals? Who was slapping it, hospital staff or nonhospital staff?
Shog9 wrote:
Or shutting off the TV while he was trying to wind down from the previous 12-hour surgery?
It was probably just another rerun of M.A.S.H. anyways.
Shog9 wrote:
Maybe we should just lock surgeons into little windowless rooms between surgeries... think that'd help anything?
Do they get free energy drinks?
Later, JoeSox "Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work." -Aristotle CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ Last.fm
JoeSox wrote:
Was it his own Newsweek or the hospitals? Who was slapping it, hospital staff or nonhospital staff?
The hospital's, of course. Beats me why, but there always seem to be plenty of Newsweeks in hospitals. And this'd be the hospital's network admin doing the slapping. Presumably he'd decided that those Newsweeks weren't there for the surgeons...
JoeSox wrote:
It was probably just another rerun of M.A.S.H. anyways.
Solid mindless entertainment, that. :)
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It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.
--Raymond Chen on MSDN
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Bradml wrote:
Not everyone who has the rules imposed on them is in a position to get an Admin account.
Well, it sounds like you may have the authority to ask your net admin yourself why your company is blocking sites. Who knows, maybe the bosses wife is on that site that just got blocked. :rolleyes:
Bradml wrote:
So you are saying make them less productive?
My spidey sense detects fallacy of interrogation but I shall proceed, No, I did not say that and your context makes no sense as to my statements. If your company is blocking websites you desire, you have legal rights too and bring in your own laptop. Its better then creating a dramatic scene at your job. Its a far more classier and gentlemanly solution, imo. The company I work for doesn't block websites and I still bring in my own laptop in addition to using my company's pc. I'm so darn busy I don't even have time to do "R&R" things, must be nice, I remember those times when I use to have my on office. Ah, the good 'ol days. I only do personal stuff on my breaks and at lunch now, but if I do some personal compositions here and there I generally use my laptop. It legally tougher for a company to ban you or fire you for using your personal computer than it is to get caught on a company pc. If its really an issue. Another reason for using my laptop is so I have all my music on one common place. My last company pc had a bunch of music and it just takes too long to back it all up and transfer that crap, this way I avoid any difficulties and have a better conscious too.
Later, JoeSox "Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work." -Aristotle CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ Last.fm
JoeSox wrote:
Well, it sounds like you may have the authority to ask your net admin yourself why your company is blocking sites. Who knows, maybe the bosses wife is on that site that just got blocked. :rolleyes:
I just happen to be the boss and I would certainly hope that never happens. Anyway I think that encouraging employees to bring in there own equipment that is completely non work related would have a negative effect on productivity. If they have a window open all the time for MySpace or whatever else they do then they are more likely to be distracted more often. If they just check up on things while they take a little breather then that is beneficial.
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Ok I have seen this in way too many companies in the last couple days: website blocking. Guys this is not right, it inspires distrust and a us and them mentality between management and workers. I am not saying that you cannot block anything, in fact i have a long list of what you can block:
- Pornography
After that there is nothing that truly justifies blocking. Buy I hear screaming.... "What about productivity".... well I will tell you how I handle this: I monitor the browsing habits of every employee. This means I can get the amount of time that is spent browsing certain websites and I graph it all. Then I spend a couple minutes every week looking through the graphs and look for the high browsing activity. If this happens to be MySpace then I look at which employees are using it the most and make a note of it. If this happens continually I just have a casual conversation with them and ask they don't visit the site as much. Now I have hardly had to do that because they know I will pick it up on it and also they are generally a great bunch anyway. One thing to be careful about here is that you may upset an employee if you come out of the blue and tell them to stop reading so many emails, so just use tact. Also it helps to do it in a group without specifying certain people. Does anyone have a strict network administrator?
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Andymac4182 wrote:
a week straight if I don't do anything else I am completely burnt out and sick of the project.
This seems to be a common thread, people doing what they do not want to do. I know in a developer position there are times when you have to push through on some things that are not that great or happen to do code that you think is stupid just because a client wants it, if you tire of a project after only a week on it, I think it is more you are burnt out on the company and maybe it is time for a change. Additionally, there is 24 hours in a day, 8 of which some people spend at work (not including lunch). That still leaves, even with travel, 12 hours per day to relax and browse the web or whatever a person wants. If you need more time, just ask for some unpaid time off or take some time during the day and then work late, but the business should get their time for which they paid. When I take a contract on a job, I do not tell them I need some time to play or get my mind clear, I cannot charge them for time to relax. Imagine receiving and invoice with x amount of hours of relaxation time. I am sure that would never be paid :)
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Rocky Moore wrote:
people doing what they do not want to do
I love to do what I'm doing and there are times that I do just have to keep working even when you don't want to. If I take a long break during the day I make up the time at night so that I work the time that I am paid for. I agree on contract that you can't charge for time that you don't work on the program. Are you saying that you time exactly when you are working or you just work it out to the closest hour?
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Shog9 wrote:
way too many things with my job that i'm unhappy about but can't seem to change
Then clearly you should not be working in that company as you are harming you and the company. They need an employee that wants to work and shares their goals. You clearly want a change. So, if you did not have the option to waste their time, you might already have quit and done both you and the business good ;)
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Rocky Moore wrote:
Then clearly you should not be working in that company as you are harming you and the company.
Really? Why, because of the poor quality of the work i'm doing? Or the attitude i take towards my co-workers? See, i'd think those would be deciding factors, not the handful of youTube videos that crawl across my screen each week.
Rocky Moore wrote:
They need an employee that wants to work and shares their goals.
If i didn't want to work, i could get away with it. Heck, i could probably drop to a tenth of my current output and still get by. I don't do that because that isn't my style - i use software, not other people, to take up slack. I didn't post this as a gripe-fest. My point is simply this: i was hired to solve problems. So let me solve problems. If i feel the need to stop typing and read some fluff, or throw darts, or bake bread... and still show up later with a solution in hand, well, don't hassle me. It's my mind, i know how to use it better than you do. ;)
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It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.
--Raymond Chen on MSDN
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JoeSox wrote:
Was it his own Newsweek or the hospitals? Who was slapping it, hospital staff or nonhospital staff?
The hospital's, of course. Beats me why, but there always seem to be plenty of Newsweeks in hospitals. And this'd be the hospital's network admin doing the slapping. Presumably he'd decided that those Newsweeks weren't there for the surgeons...
JoeSox wrote:
It was probably just another rerun of M.A.S.H. anyways.
Solid mindless entertainment, that. :)
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It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.
--Raymond Chen on MSDN
Shog9 wrote:
The hospital's, of course. Beats me why, but there always seem to be plenty of Newsweeks in hospitals.
Because all the Playboys are in the Doctors' offices in their desk, to hide from the hospital's network admin.
Shog9 wrote:
And this'd be the hospital's network admin doing the slapping. Presumably he'd decided that those Newsweeks weren't there for the surgeons
Maybe because he knows that even 'Doctor Newsweek' didn't read about dead Americans in Iraq and how America disapproves of the Bush Administration, and how people are starving all over the world, and how the elderly get abused in retirement homes, he will still go and perform an operation.
Later, JoeSox "Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work." -Aristotle CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ Last.fm