The Glory Days of Linux are Gone!!!
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I bet you're running ubuntu or a distro similar to that one. I have run linux for quite some time now and I never had to reboot for updates, only for the kernel image.
code-frog wrote:
Well the glory days of Linux are gone
Hmm, I can't remember when the glory days were ;P
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I used to use Ubuntu all the time, and only had to reboot for kernel updates. However...now I use Windows all the time because the h/w support sucks, and will be getting a Mac next time I need a new machine. Linux simply isn't ready for the desktop.
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Well the glory days of Linux are gone. Every time I update packages I have to reboot. :wtf: Linux never used to be this way. You could (almost) recompile the entire kernel without rebooting. Now you update a man page and it wants to reboot.:sigh: Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might?:|
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my affinity, in this life or the next. - Gladiator. (Okay, not quite Gladiator but close.) I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact. Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might? - Lord Byron
I have been playing with Ubuntu (Edgy) for the last few weeks and have applied many updates with no need to reboot...
Kicking squealing Gucci little piggy.
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I have been playing with Ubuntu (Edgy) for the last few weeks and have applied many updates with no need to reboot...
Kicking squealing Gucci little piggy.
The Rob BlogDon't apply the Feisty Beta upgrade - mine blew up last night. :-(
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Don't apply the Feisty Beta upgrade - mine blew up last night. :-(
Thanks for the warning - I was considering playing with the beta today but I think I'll wait for the official release now. I'm lovin' Ubuntu BTW. Been using KDevelop to develop my first Linux app - KDevelop is very impressive, especially considering it's free. :)
Kicking squealing Gucci little piggy.
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Well the glory days of Linux are gone. Every time I update packages I have to reboot. :wtf: Linux never used to be this way. You could (almost) recompile the entire kernel without rebooting. Now you update a man page and it wants to reboot.:sigh: Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might?:|
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my affinity, in this life or the next. - Gladiator. (Okay, not quite Gladiator but close.) I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact. Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might? - Lord Byron
I especially find this funny considering I knew someone that was always trying to get me to switch to linux and he told me you NEVER have to reboot linux to install an update EVER. Then again this guy was a little special, I was writing a tool to for a something very windows specific in MFC and he told me that I should be writing it in some opensource/multiplatform crap (no seriously the technology he suggested was crap, just don't remember the name) so that it could run on multiple platforms... even though it was specific to something that only ran on windows.
Matt Newman
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Glory days, Linux, when?:confused:
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norm ... if you look outside of that box you might find other gems ;)
"there is no spoon" {me}
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likewise ... debian never requires a reboot unless the kernel image is updated am wondering which distro ur using too :)
"there is no spoon" {me}
Yeah, I know. It's the distro just flamed and abandoned by the grand pooba of the open source world and linux high priest. FC6. I think I'll junk it and get a different distro. It is funny though... I mean Linux should be linux (under the hood) why the need for reboot? It's Linux??? (That's rhetorical as plainly someone feels the need to bounce the box but still).
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my affinity, in this life or the next. - Gladiator. (Okay, not quite Gladiator but close.) I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact. Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might? - Lord Byron
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norm ... if you look outside of that box you might find other gems ;)
"there is no spoon" {me}
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norm ... if you look outside of that box you might find other gems ;)
"there is no spoon" {me}
Some people don't need an extremely configurable, flexible and robust tool Lauren. We can feel sorry for them but ;) we understand and show compassion.:laugh:
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my affinity, in this life or the next. - Gladiator. (Okay, not quite Gladiator but close.) I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact. Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might? - Lord Byron
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I used to use Ubuntu all the time, and only had to reboot for kernel updates. However...now I use Windows all the time because the h/w support sucks, and will be getting a Mac next time I need a new machine. Linux simply isn't ready for the desktop.
May not be ready for the desktop but it is an extremely powerful tool for those wanting to secure, inspect, audit networks.
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my affinity, in this life or the next. - Gladiator. (Okay, not quite Gladiator but close.) I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact. Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might? - Lord Byron
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Well the glory days of Linux are gone. Every time I update packages I have to reboot. :wtf: Linux never used to be this way. You could (almost) recompile the entire kernel without rebooting. Now you update a man page and it wants to reboot.:sigh: Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might?:|
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my affinity, in this life or the next. - Gladiator. (Okay, not quite Gladiator but close.) I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact. Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might? - Lord Byron
Linux has tried to mimic Windows style.
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I used to use Ubuntu all the time, and only had to reboot for kernel updates. However...now I use Windows all the time because the h/w support sucks, and will be getting a Mac next time I need a new machine. Linux simply isn't ready for the desktop.
Steve_Harris wrote:
h/w support sucks
Steve_Harris wrote:
Linux simply isn't ready for the desktop.
What needs to be done to change public perspective on these issues? Linux supports more hardware out of the box than any other OS I have ever used. I can't even get windows to load a driver for the integrated nic on my 5 year old motherboard out of the box. Most default windows installs have required me to spend a good hour or so tracking down 3rd party drivers to get all of my hardware working. I can't remember the last time I had a linux install not properly detect a piece of hardware and load a driver. I understand that some people have had difficulty getting some wireless chipsets supported, but thanks to ndiswrapper you go through almost the exact same procedure to set that up as you do on Windows (ie: same driver). I firmly believe that recent linux distros like FC6 and Ubuntu 6.10 are ready for prime time. I'm not sure what it is that makes you think that linux isn't ready for YOUR desktop, but it certainly is ready for mine. I would have no qualms about putting Ubuntu on a system for my grandmother. It is fast, easy to use, stable (not that Windows isn't), and unaffected by 99% of the malware floating around on the internet. All of that means less headaches for me. It has been my experience that people are very polarized in the Windows vs Linux debate, but the arguments for and against each really don't apply anymore. In my experience Windows (2000 and up) is very stable. The only crashes I have had have been hardware related. On the other side of the argument linux has made great strides forward in the usability department. Nearly every bit of administration you want to do on a recent linux desktop can be done through a GUI. Naturally the command line is more efficient if you feel comfortable using it, but there are GUI's for just about everything. I'm not trying to start a Windows vs Linux debate. I really don't have anything bad to say about Microsoft, they make a fine product. I prefer linux because it makes me more productive in every aspect of my job.
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I especially find this funny considering I knew someone that was always trying to get me to switch to linux and he told me you NEVER have to reboot linux to install an update EVER. Then again this guy was a little special, I was writing a tool to for a something very windows specific in MFC and he told me that I should be writing it in some opensource/multiplatform crap (no seriously the technology he suggested was crap, just don't remember the name) so that it could run on multiple platforms... even though it was specific to something that only ran on windows.
Matt Newman
The only time you really HAVE to reboot a linux box is to load a new kernel. I have noticed on the Ubuntu beta that they suggest a reboot for things other than just Kernel upgrades, but I think that is because it is easier to tell a user unfamiliar with linux to reboot the machine than to explain how to restart a group of services from the command line (not that it's hard, just different). I believe they are trying to make desktop administration more familiar to people migrating from a Windows world.
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Steve_Harris wrote:
h/w support sucks
Steve_Harris wrote:
Linux simply isn't ready for the desktop.
What needs to be done to change public perspective on these issues? Linux supports more hardware out of the box than any other OS I have ever used. I can't even get windows to load a driver for the integrated nic on my 5 year old motherboard out of the box. Most default windows installs have required me to spend a good hour or so tracking down 3rd party drivers to get all of my hardware working. I can't remember the last time I had a linux install not properly detect a piece of hardware and load a driver. I understand that some people have had difficulty getting some wireless chipsets supported, but thanks to ndiswrapper you go through almost the exact same procedure to set that up as you do on Windows (ie: same driver). I firmly believe that recent linux distros like FC6 and Ubuntu 6.10 are ready for prime time. I'm not sure what it is that makes you think that linux isn't ready for YOUR desktop, but it certainly is ready for mine. I would have no qualms about putting Ubuntu on a system for my grandmother. It is fast, easy to use, stable (not that Windows isn't), and unaffected by 99% of the malware floating around on the internet. All of that means less headaches for me. It has been my experience that people are very polarized in the Windows vs Linux debate, but the arguments for and against each really don't apply anymore. In my experience Windows (2000 and up) is very stable. The only crashes I have had have been hardware related. On the other side of the argument linux has made great strides forward in the usability department. Nearly every bit of administration you want to do on a recent linux desktop can be done through a GUI. Naturally the command line is more efficient if you feel comfortable using it, but there are GUI's for just about everything. I'm not trying to start a Windows vs Linux debate. I really don't have anything bad to say about Microsoft, they make a fine product. I prefer linux because it makes me more productive in every aspect of my job.
Okay, I don't want to war with you either and I realize your points and I agree in large part. Let me expand more on some of your questions though as they deserve an answer.
Scott Lee wrote:
Linux supports more hardware out of the box than any other OS I have ever used.
This is true. You can find any driver you want or need they are out there. But a lot of them require a bit of make, config, etc... before they run. NDIS Wrapper has to be one of the best examples. NDIS can be great and sometimes it can have you nashing your teeth. You can get a plethora of support but not always the new stuff. What I love about Linux though... You can get something that kind of works, install it tail -f /var/log/etc watch what's going on get a grip on some man pages and you can get that thing working. Yes it takes time but once it's solid you never have to touch it again.
Scott Lee wrote:
I firmly believe that recent linux distros like FC6 and Ubuntu 6.10
I don't believe these are ready for prime time but I don't think Vista is. I use both Vista and FC6 and both are cool. But for Vista all I gotta say have a "super user, turn off the junk" profile and a "I'm a weenie protect me from everything side" Vista is to uptight. What's under the layers works really well be it's the layers that piss me off. FC6 is great too but I had to go through more song and dance than I wanted to get VNC working. I love Linux whin I really want to build the best of babylon. I want it rocking rolling smoot. God! What can't you do with Linux. Just rpm it an you are running, what? messed up? pathch the kernel it'll be fine. I think that I'm in the nervana group where I must have Windows and yet I crave Linux. I use all the network goodies in Linux and man I love them all. Linux is just a cool platform. Very cool. If this discussion hasn't read well my pain meds for a seriously sprained wrist have the words on the screen moving around quite on their own and I'm have a hard time concentrating. So I'll stop for now as there's more to say on this that it truly matters.
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my affinity<
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Steve_Harris wrote:
h/w support sucks
Steve_Harris wrote:
Linux simply isn't ready for the desktop.
What needs to be done to change public perspective on these issues? Linux supports more hardware out of the box than any other OS I have ever used. I can't even get windows to load a driver for the integrated nic on my 5 year old motherboard out of the box. Most default windows installs have required me to spend a good hour or so tracking down 3rd party drivers to get all of my hardware working. I can't remember the last time I had a linux install not properly detect a piece of hardware and load a driver. I understand that some people have had difficulty getting some wireless chipsets supported, but thanks to ndiswrapper you go through almost the exact same procedure to set that up as you do on Windows (ie: same driver). I firmly believe that recent linux distros like FC6 and Ubuntu 6.10 are ready for prime time. I'm not sure what it is that makes you think that linux isn't ready for YOUR desktop, but it certainly is ready for mine. I would have no qualms about putting Ubuntu on a system for my grandmother. It is fast, easy to use, stable (not that Windows isn't), and unaffected by 99% of the malware floating around on the internet. All of that means less headaches for me. It has been my experience that people are very polarized in the Windows vs Linux debate, but the arguments for and against each really don't apply anymore. In my experience Windows (2000 and up) is very stable. The only crashes I have had have been hardware related. On the other side of the argument linux has made great strides forward in the usability department. Nearly every bit of administration you want to do on a recent linux desktop can be done through a GUI. Naturally the command line is more efficient if you feel comfortable using it, but there are GUI's for just about everything. I'm not trying to start a Windows vs Linux debate. I really don't have anything bad to say about Microsoft, they make a fine product. I prefer linux because it makes me more productive in every aspect of my job.
Ubuntu was working fine until recently, then it suddenly stopped recognising the scanner part of my Epson all-in-one, which had been working fine up until then. Gaim suddenly started crashing when logging into MSN. Both of these are known problems, and the forums show that they have been known about for some time, yet they haven't been addressed. I installed K3, and the installer script crashed. The uninstaller script crashed, and now I cannot remove it. I thought that I'd try the Feisty beta to see if that fixed it. The install crashed and I haven't dared boot into it to see what damage has been done (yes I have a backup). My default boot option is now XP, and can you blame me? I work in IT and fix people's PC problems all day, the last thing I want to be doing at home is fiddling with obscure script settings in an attempt to fix something that shouldn't be broken in the first place. I want a home machine That Just WorksTM, which is why I'm jumping off the PC ship next time I upgrade my hardware. [edit] And the photo print quality using the Linux drivers is terrible. [/edit]