Did the Red Sea Part?
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No Evidence, Archaeologists Say[^] Ask the wiki-ball. The question is, how much of what we're told as historical fact is actually true? 90%, 50%, or less?
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No Evidence, Archaeologists Say[^] Ask the wiki-ball. The question is, how much of what we're told as historical fact is actually true? 90%, 50%, or less?
"I know which side I want to win regardless of how many wrongs they have to commit to achieve it." - Stan Shannon Web - Blog - RSS - Math - LinkedIn - BM
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
Who the hell teaches a literal parting of the red sea as historical fact?
Alarmingly many. :sigh:
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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No Evidence, Archaeologists Say[^] Ask the wiki-ball. The question is, how much of what we're told as historical fact is actually true? 90%, 50%, or less?
"I know which side I want to win regardless of how many wrongs they have to commit to achieve it." - Stan Shannon Web - Blog - RSS - Math - LinkedIn - BM
From which Caribbean-based college did that "doctor" get his PhD?
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From which Caribbean-based college did that "doctor" get his PhD?
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No Evidence, Archaeologists Say[^] Ask the wiki-ball. The question is, how much of what we're told as historical fact is actually true? 90%, 50%, or less?
"I know which side I want to win regardless of how many wrongs they have to commit to achieve it." - Stan Shannon Web - Blog - RSS - Math - LinkedIn - BM
Of course these guys aren't going to find evidence contrary to their beliefs. :| This is an Egyptian-sponsored excavation? The last quote in the article addresses that pretty well. :) Maybe they're looking in the wrong place - Yam Suf in Hebrew is not the "Red Sea", it's the Reed Sea. :) Then again, I've read stories from several other archaeologists indicating they've found pieces of chariots and other artifacts deep in the Red Sea...who knows. I know what I believe, and that's enough for me. :cool: Happy Passover.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Doesn't agree with your ideals, does he?
No, but that's besides another point. This guy is making the statement that an event did not occur because he has not seen any evidence of it. He stated that "If they get upset, I don’t care. This is my career as an archaeologist. I should tell them the truth. If the people are upset, that is not my problem." He also said, "Sometimes as archaeologists we have to say that never happened because there is no historical evidence." He's making a statement of fact based on a lack of evidence. It would be reasonable for him to say that he doubts it happened or that he doesn't believe it happened or that there is currently no archeological evidence that supports it, but to proclaim "truth" over a lack of evidence is disingenuous. What would be even more interesting is if this guy is Muslim (and given his name and location, I suspect he is). If that's the case, then we can see another similarity between Islamic fundamentalism and atheism...lack of physical evidence as the basis of faith. Addendum: If I farted 10 minutes ago, and you can't smell it, that doesn't mean I didn't fart.
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Of course these guys aren't going to find evidence contrary to their beliefs. :| This is an Egyptian-sponsored excavation? The last quote in the article addresses that pretty well. :) Maybe they're looking in the wrong place - Yam Suf in Hebrew is not the "Red Sea", it's the Reed Sea. :) Then again, I've read stories from several other archaeologists indicating they've found pieces of chariots and other artifacts deep in the Red Sea...who knows. I know what I believe, and that's enough for me. :cool: Happy Passover.
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Judah Himango wrote:
Of course these guys aren't going to find evidence contrary to their beliefs.
Judah Himango wrote:
I know what I believe, and that's enough for me.
Seems maybe you are no different than them. No?
"If you drink, don't drive. Don't even putt." - Dean Martin
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Likewise, the good doctor certainly isn't Jewish or Christian; most likely Islamic. Of course such a person isn't going to find evidence for something patently Jewish. :) *edit* oh, he's the chief archaeologist of Egypt? Come on, Bassam - you really think that's an unbiased opinion? :rolleyes:
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Judah Himango wrote:
Of course these guys aren't going to find evidence contrary to their beliefs.
Judah Himango wrote:
I know what I believe, and that's enough for me.
Seems maybe you are no different than them. No?
"If you drink, don't drive. Don't even putt." - Dean Martin
I'm not an archaeologist. If I were, I probably wouldn't find things supporting Islam. Likewise, I don't expect this chief archaeologist of Egypt to find evidence supporting the Jewish religion (which would not only invalidate his religion, but it would dirty his Egyptian nationality, and probably cause him to lose his job as chief archaeologist of Egypt!)
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Of course these guys aren't going to find evidence contrary to their beliefs. :| This is an Egyptian-sponsored excavation? The last quote in the article addresses that pretty well. :) Maybe they're looking in the wrong place - Yam Suf in Hebrew is not the "Red Sea", it's the Reed Sea. :) Then again, I've read stories from several other archaeologists indicating they've found pieces of chariots and other artifacts deep in the Red Sea...who knows. I know what I believe, and that's enough for me. :cool: Happy Passover.
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Passover: Do this in remembrance of Me The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango
Seas have never been parted, aren't parted, and will not be parted as described in the bible. That's not what large masses of water do. At the most, seas may have/will run dry, but hardly due to divine intervention. Since nobody can reproduce any evidence of any god's existence, you'd be hard pressed to find any evidence supporting the part of seas as described in the bible.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Doesn't agree with your ideals, does he?
No, but that's besides another point. This guy is making the statement that an event did not occur because he has not seen any evidence of it. He stated that "If they get upset, I don’t care. This is my career as an archaeologist. I should tell them the truth. If the people are upset, that is not my problem." He also said, "Sometimes as archaeologists we have to say that never happened because there is no historical evidence." He's making a statement of fact based on a lack of evidence. It would be reasonable for him to say that he doubts it happened or that he doesn't believe it happened or that there is currently no archeological evidence that supports it, but to proclaim "truth" over a lack of evidence is disingenuous. What would be even more interesting is if this guy is Muslim (and given his name and location, I suspect he is). If that's the case, then we can see another similarity between Islamic fundamentalism and atheism...lack of physical evidence as the basis of faith. Addendum: If I farted 10 minutes ago, and you can't smell it, that doesn't mean I didn't fart.
Red Stateler wrote:
He's making a statement of fact based on a lack of evidence
That is exactly the argument of creationism against evolutionism: lack of evidence for it. So, if it works one way, why shouldn't it work the other way?
----- Formerly MP(2)
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Seas have never been parted, aren't parted, and will not be parted as described in the bible. That's not what large masses of water do. At the most, seas may have/will run dry, but hardly due to divine intervention. Since nobody can reproduce any evidence of any god's existence, you'd be hard pressed to find any evidence supporting the part of seas as described in the bible.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Seas have never been parted
Being an atheist who's faith is based on physical evidence, can you provide me the evidence that verifies this claim?
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I'm not an archaeologist. If I were, I probably wouldn't find things supporting Islam. Likewise, I don't expect this chief archaeologist of Egypt to find evidence supporting the Jewish religion (which would not only invalidate his religion, but it would dirty his Egyptian nationality, and probably cause him to lose his job as chief archaeologist of Egypt!)
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Judah Himango wrote:
I'm not an archaeologist. If I were, I probably wouldn't find things supporting Islam.
Then you'd be a lousy archaeologist. ;)
Judah Himango wrote:
Likewise, I don't expect...
Is this your faith talking or do you know that he is letting bias effect him?
"If you drink, don't drive. Don't even putt." - Dean Martin
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Doesn't agree with your ideals, does he?
No, but that's besides another point. This guy is making the statement that an event did not occur because he has not seen any evidence of it. He stated that "If they get upset, I don’t care. This is my career as an archaeologist. I should tell them the truth. If the people are upset, that is not my problem." He also said, "Sometimes as archaeologists we have to say that never happened because there is no historical evidence." He's making a statement of fact based on a lack of evidence. It would be reasonable for him to say that he doubts it happened or that he doesn't believe it happened or that there is currently no archeological evidence that supports it, but to proclaim "truth" over a lack of evidence is disingenuous. What would be even more interesting is if this guy is Muslim (and given his name and location, I suspect he is). If that's the case, then we can see another similarity between Islamic fundamentalism and atheism...lack of physical evidence as the basis of faith. Addendum: If I farted 10 minutes ago, and you can't smell it, that doesn't mean I didn't fart.
So.. what are claims without supporting evidence? :~ It is always the task of the claimer to provide evidence.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Red Stateler wrote:
He's making a statement of fact based on a lack of evidence
That is exactly the argument of creationism against evolutionism: lack of evidence for it. So, if it works one way, why shouldn't it work the other way?
----- Formerly MP(2)
Le Centriste wrote:
That is exactly the argument of creationism against evolutionism: lack of evidence for it. So, if it works one way, why shouldn't it work the other way?
The argument for creationism is the Bible. You're thinking of intelligent design.
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So.. what are claims without supporting evidence? :~ It is always the task of the claimer to provide evidence.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
So.. what are claims without supporting evidence?
I don't have any. I don't know with 100% certainty that the Red Sea was parted. I also didn't make the claim. It's a historical account of an event.
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
It is always the task of the claimer to provide evidence.
And this guy made a claim. But his claim was based on his lack of evidence rather than evidence. Where is it?
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Of course these guys aren't going to find evidence contrary to their beliefs. :| This is an Egyptian-sponsored excavation? The last quote in the article addresses that pretty well. :) Maybe they're looking in the wrong place - Yam Suf in Hebrew is not the "Red Sea", it's the Reed Sea. :) Then again, I've read stories from several other archaeologists indicating they've found pieces of chariots and other artifacts deep in the Red Sea...who knows. I know what I believe, and that's enough for me. :cool: Happy Passover.
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Judah Himango wrote:
Maybe they're looking in the wrong place - Yam Suf in Hebrew is not the "Red Sea", it's the Reed Sea.
There was a show about biblical battles on the History Channel that claimed it was the Reed Sea[^] and not the Red sea. They suggested that the Reed sea was a shallow swamp and Moses nipped across during the night while the tide was out. By the time the Egyptians realized they'd gone the tide was coming back in hence blocking their pursuit.
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Le Centriste wrote:
That is exactly the argument of creationism against evolutionism: lack of evidence for it. So, if it works one way, why shouldn't it work the other way?
The argument for creationism is the Bible. You're thinking of intelligent design.
Whatever, it is the same bullshit.
----- Formerly MP(2)