How Things Are
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Intuit's fumble has made some users swear off e-filing in general and the company's products specifically. "Never again with TurboTax unless there is a full refund and the IRS accepts the return on time," promised orbiter just before midnight Tuesday. "One thing's for sure: I will not be E-filing for another 10 years, not with TurboTax or any other software or E-file service," said another user, identified as mattP. Isn't that just like how things are nowadays? Point the finger at someone else. Why, I ask, did all these people wait until the last minute to e-file? Do they even consider that if they e-filed even a few days earlier, they wouldn't have had a problems? OK, sure, Intuit has some responsibility, but certainly not all, IMO. And remember that question of what "large" means, posted yesterday by a CPian? "Intuit is working with the IRS and has notified them that throughput on our electronic filing system was not what we expected, resulting in a system slowdown. We encourage customers to continue trying to e-file as we continue to work on the issue." Yeah. They encountered "large". :laugh: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
Why, I ask, did all these people wait until the last minute to e-file?
Some probably owed money, most are probably slackers though. :doh:
-- CleaKO The sad part about this instance is that none of the users ever said anything [about the problem]. Pete O`Hanlon Doesn't that just tell you everything you need to know about users?
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Intuit's fumble has made some users swear off e-filing in general and the company's products specifically. "Never again with TurboTax unless there is a full refund and the IRS accepts the return on time," promised orbiter just before midnight Tuesday. "One thing's for sure: I will not be E-filing for another 10 years, not with TurboTax or any other software or E-file service," said another user, identified as mattP. Isn't that just like how things are nowadays? Point the finger at someone else. Why, I ask, did all these people wait until the last minute to e-file? Do they even consider that if they e-filed even a few days earlier, they wouldn't have had a problems? OK, sure, Intuit has some responsibility, but certainly not all, IMO. And remember that question of what "large" means, posted yesterday by a CPian? "Intuit is working with the IRS and has notified them that throughput on our electronic filing system was not what we expected, resulting in a system slowdown. We encourage customers to continue trying to e-file as we continue to work on the issue." Yeah. They encountered "large". :laugh: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithI e-filed with TurboTax and had zero problems, but that was back in February.
Marc Clifton wrote:
I will not be E-filing for another 10 years, not with TurboTax or any other software or E-file service
The 'or any other software' is what gets me. If someone wants to discontinue using TurboTax for their system failures, I could understand that, but swearing off all e-filing just shows a lack of understanding.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Why, I ask, did all these people wait until the last minute to e-file?
Some probably owed money, most are probably slackers though. :doh:
-- CleaKO The sad part about this instance is that none of the users ever said anything [about the problem]. Pete O`Hanlon Doesn't that just tell you everything you need to know about users?
dan neely wrote:
Some probably owed money
I owe a huge amount, sigh. I still e-filed in February. You don't actually have to send a check until the April deadline.
dan neely wrote:
most are probably slackers though.
Exactly. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Intuit's fumble has made some users swear off e-filing in general and the company's products specifically. "Never again with TurboTax unless there is a full refund and the IRS accepts the return on time," promised orbiter just before midnight Tuesday. "One thing's for sure: I will not be E-filing for another 10 years, not with TurboTax or any other software or E-file service," said another user, identified as mattP. Isn't that just like how things are nowadays? Point the finger at someone else. Why, I ask, did all these people wait until the last minute to e-file? Do they even consider that if they e-filed even a few days earlier, they wouldn't have had a problems? OK, sure, Intuit has some responsibility, but certainly not all, IMO. And remember that question of what "large" means, posted yesterday by a CPian? "Intuit is working with the IRS and has notified them that throughput on our electronic filing system was not what we expected, resulting in a system slowdown. We encourage customers to continue trying to e-file as we continue to work on the issue." Yeah. They encountered "large". :laugh: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithHere in the UK, the deadline for filing is January 31st. Every year, we hear people complaining because the server collapsed under the load because they tried to post at a minute to midnight. What do they expect? Mind you, I can't complain because I get my accountant to do it for me.:)
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Intuit's fumble has made some users swear off e-filing in general and the company's products specifically. "Never again with TurboTax unless there is a full refund and the IRS accepts the return on time," promised orbiter just before midnight Tuesday. "One thing's for sure: I will not be E-filing for another 10 years, not with TurboTax or any other software or E-file service," said another user, identified as mattP. Isn't that just like how things are nowadays? Point the finger at someone else. Why, I ask, did all these people wait until the last minute to e-file? Do they even consider that if they e-filed even a few days earlier, they wouldn't have had a problems? OK, sure, Intuit has some responsibility, but certainly not all, IMO. And remember that question of what "large" means, posted yesterday by a CPian? "Intuit is working with the IRS and has notified them that throughput on our electronic filing system was not what we expected, resulting in a system slowdown. We encourage customers to continue trying to e-file as we continue to work on the issue." Yeah. They encountered "large". :laugh: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithA lot of people are last minuters. I do construction and I tell customers all winter (while I'm slack) to let me work on the things that need to be done but they wait till the weather is nice and I have 10 ahead of them on my list and they wanted it done yesterday. Its the nature of the beast. In college you could tell when an assignment was due because the place would be packed. Mike
Theres light at the end of the tunnel. Lord I hope it ain't no train!
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Intuit's fumble has made some users swear off e-filing in general and the company's products specifically. "Never again with TurboTax unless there is a full refund and the IRS accepts the return on time," promised orbiter just before midnight Tuesday. "One thing's for sure: I will not be E-filing for another 10 years, not with TurboTax or any other software or E-file service," said another user, identified as mattP. Isn't that just like how things are nowadays? Point the finger at someone else. Why, I ask, did all these people wait until the last minute to e-file? Do they even consider that if they e-filed even a few days earlier, they wouldn't have had a problems? OK, sure, Intuit has some responsibility, but certainly not all, IMO. And remember that question of what "large" means, posted yesterday by a CPian? "Intuit is working with the IRS and has notified them that throughput on our electronic filing system was not what we expected, resulting in a system slowdown. We encourage customers to continue trying to e-file as we continue to work on the issue." Yeah. They encountered "large". :laugh: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
Isn't that just like how things are nowadays?
Yup, personal responsibility is a thing of the past. :sigh:
From the article:
"One thing's for sure: I will not be E-filing for another 10 years, not with TurboTax or any other software or E-file service," said another user, identified as mattP.
I'll bet he does. Probably next year, if not... the following year, after he fills in the inane forms and remembers what a PITA it is. :laugh: FWIW - I've used TaxAct[^] for years and it's ALWAYS worked flawlessly. Of course I always file in late January or February.
"I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it." - Thomas Jefferson
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These people are idiots, they got two extra days to do there taxes and they still put it off till the last second. They deserve the tax penalty.
Matt Newman
Matt Newman wrote:
They deserve the tax penalty.
:laugh: I first read that as "they deserve the death penalty". :) Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Intuit's fumble has made some users swear off e-filing in general and the company's products specifically. "Never again with TurboTax unless there is a full refund and the IRS accepts the return on time," promised orbiter just before midnight Tuesday. "One thing's for sure: I will not be E-filing for another 10 years, not with TurboTax or any other software or E-file service," said another user, identified as mattP. Isn't that just like how things are nowadays? Point the finger at someone else. Why, I ask, did all these people wait until the last minute to e-file? Do they even consider that if they e-filed even a few days earlier, they wouldn't have had a problems? OK, sure, Intuit has some responsibility, but certainly not all, IMO. And remember that question of what "large" means, posted yesterday by a CPian? "Intuit is working with the IRS and has notified them that throughput on our electronic filing system was not what we expected, resulting in a system slowdown. We encourage customers to continue trying to e-file as we continue to work on the issue." Yeah. They encountered "large". :laugh: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithThese people are idiots, they got two extra days to do there taxes and they still put it off till the last second. They deserve the tax penalty.
Matt Newman
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Intuit's fumble has made some users swear off e-filing in general and the company's products specifically. "Never again with TurboTax unless there is a full refund and the IRS accepts the return on time," promised orbiter just before midnight Tuesday. "One thing's for sure: I will not be E-filing for another 10 years, not with TurboTax or any other software or E-file service," said another user, identified as mattP. Isn't that just like how things are nowadays? Point the finger at someone else. Why, I ask, did all these people wait until the last minute to e-file? Do they even consider that if they e-filed even a few days earlier, they wouldn't have had a problems? OK, sure, Intuit has some responsibility, but certainly not all, IMO. And remember that question of what "large" means, posted yesterday by a CPian? "Intuit is working with the IRS and has notified them that throughput on our electronic filing system was not what we expected, resulting in a system slowdown. We encourage customers to continue trying to e-file as we continue to work on the issue." Yeah. They encountered "large". :laugh: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithA little bit a soap box for a moment, please excuses me.
Marc Clifton wrote:
Point the finger at someone else.
When I read this I brought to mind the Virgina Tech. shooting. WHY DO PEOPLE FIND IT SO HARD TO BLAME THE GUY WHO PULLED THE TRIGGER? If parents want to point fingers, (hang on this could be bad)then why don't we blame some of those who were playing dead while others were being killed around them. Now with that said, I understand why they would play dead. My point is lets blame the one who did it and not everyone else. And by the way my thoughts and prays are with those love ones who's life has been flip up-side down.
God Bless, Jason
Programmer: A biological machine designed to convert caffeine into code.
Developer: A person who develops working systems by writing and using software. [^] -
Intuit's fumble has made some users swear off e-filing in general and the company's products specifically. "Never again with TurboTax unless there is a full refund and the IRS accepts the return on time," promised orbiter just before midnight Tuesday. "One thing's for sure: I will not be E-filing for another 10 years, not with TurboTax or any other software or E-file service," said another user, identified as mattP. Isn't that just like how things are nowadays? Point the finger at someone else. Why, I ask, did all these people wait until the last minute to e-file? Do they even consider that if they e-filed even a few days earlier, they wouldn't have had a problems? OK, sure, Intuit has some responsibility, but certainly not all, IMO. And remember that question of what "large" means, posted yesterday by a CPian? "Intuit is working with the IRS and has notified them that throughput on our electronic filing system was not what we expected, resulting in a system slowdown. We encourage customers to continue trying to e-file as we continue to work on the issue." Yeah. They encountered "large". :laugh: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
Yeah. They encountered "large".
large is any number larger than you expect. :) I did my efiling in Feb.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Intuit's fumble has made some users swear off e-filing in general and the company's products specifically. "Never again with TurboTax unless there is a full refund and the IRS accepts the return on time," promised orbiter just before midnight Tuesday. "One thing's for sure: I will not be E-filing for another 10 years, not with TurboTax or any other software or E-file service," said another user, identified as mattP. Isn't that just like how things are nowadays? Point the finger at someone else. Why, I ask, did all these people wait until the last minute to e-file? Do they even consider that if they e-filed even a few days earlier, they wouldn't have had a problems? OK, sure, Intuit has some responsibility, but certainly not all, IMO. And remember that question of what "large" means, posted yesterday by a CPian? "Intuit is working with the IRS and has notified them that throughput on our electronic filing system was not what we expected, resulting in a system slowdown. We encourage customers to continue trying to e-file as we continue to work on the issue." Yeah. They encountered "large". :laugh: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
Isn't that just like how things are nowadays? Point the finger at someone else.
[Disclamer: I use an accountant, not Intuit] I agree that lack of accountability is a big social problem these days. That said, these people are not to blame. There was a deadline and they eFiled within that timeframe. Last minute or not, they complied with official requirements. It was Intuit who dropped the ball, and their paying customers suffered as a result. Anyone who's in the tax business and doesn't build a system robust enough to anticipate a massive load on the night of the deadline needs to rethink who they have in charge of their software development. Their system obviously wasn't stress tested adequately prior to release, and everyone paid the price. You want accountability? Talk to the company who provided defective products and services for a mission critical application, not the people who paid for a buggy software system.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
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Intuit's fumble has made some users swear off e-filing in general and the company's products specifically. "Never again with TurboTax unless there is a full refund and the IRS accepts the return on time," promised orbiter just before midnight Tuesday. "One thing's for sure: I will not be E-filing for another 10 years, not with TurboTax or any other software or E-file service," said another user, identified as mattP. Isn't that just like how things are nowadays? Point the finger at someone else. Why, I ask, did all these people wait until the last minute to e-file? Do they even consider that if they e-filed even a few days earlier, they wouldn't have had a problems? OK, sure, Intuit has some responsibility, but certainly not all, IMO. And remember that question of what "large" means, posted yesterday by a CPian? "Intuit is working with the IRS and has notified them that throughput on our electronic filing system was not what we expected, resulting in a system slowdown. We encourage customers to continue trying to e-file as we continue to work on the issue." Yeah. They encountered "large". :laugh: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithConsidering the eFile process can take up to 48 hours, filing just before midnight on the final day is not a really wise idea. That being said, maybe Intuit and other eFile providers should institute their own cutoff and/or at least warn customers that want to file so late. Even if you owe money, filing at 11:59pm on the due date is a dumb idea. Heck, if you owe money, its best to not eFile anyway. Pop that sucker in snail mail :-D
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A little bit a soap box for a moment, please excuses me.
Marc Clifton wrote:
Point the finger at someone else.
When I read this I brought to mind the Virgina Tech. shooting. WHY DO PEOPLE FIND IT SO HARD TO BLAME THE GUY WHO PULLED THE TRIGGER? If parents want to point fingers, (hang on this could be bad)then why don't we blame some of those who were playing dead while others were being killed around them. Now with that said, I understand why they would play dead. My point is lets blame the one who did it and not everyone else. And by the way my thoughts and prays are with those love ones who's life has been flip up-side down.
God Bless, Jason
Programmer: A biological machine designed to convert caffeine into code.
Developer: A person who develops working systems by writing and using software. [^]jason_lakewhitney wrote:
If parents want to point fingers, (hang on this could be bad)then why don't we blame some of those who were playing dead while others were being killed around them.
Is this hyperbole or are their actually people doing this? If the latter, link please.
-- CleaKO The sad part about this instance is that none of the users ever said anything [about the problem]. Pete O`Hanlon Doesn't that just tell you everything you need to know about users?
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Matt Newman wrote:
They deserve the tax penalty.
:laugh: I first read that as "they deserve the death penalty". :) Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
I first read that as "they deserve the death penalty".
Great idea!! ...well one could argue they are basically the same thing... :)
Matt Newman
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jason_lakewhitney wrote:
If parents want to point fingers, (hang on this could be bad)then why don't we blame some of those who were playing dead while others were being killed around them.
Is this hyperbole or are their actually people doing this? If the latter, link please.
-- CleaKO The sad part about this instance is that none of the users ever said anything [about the problem]. Pete O`Hanlon Doesn't that just tell you everything you need to know about users?
The some of the parents were wanting the president of the university fired. There were some students playing dead. I am looking for some links, all the links that were on the news website are somewhere. I keep looking for ya.
God Bless, Jason
Programmer: A biological machine designed to convert caffeine into code.
Developer: A person who develops working systems by writing and using software. [^] -
A lot of people are last minuters. I do construction and I tell customers all winter (while I'm slack) to let me work on the things that need to be done but they wait till the weather is nice and I have 10 ahead of them on my list and they wanted it done yesterday. Its the nature of the beast. In college you could tell when an assignment was due because the place would be packed. Mike
Theres light at the end of the tunnel. Lord I hope it ain't no train!
Mike Hankey wrote:
I tell customers all winter (while I'm slack) to let me work on the things that need to be done
You sound like the guy at the bicycle shop I go to. He likes me because I usually bring my bike in sometime in February for its annual tune-up. He's got plenty of time to do the job right. When I pick it up, the wheels have been trued, cables adjusted, drivetrain is clean, everything lubed as needed, even the frame's been washed and polished. The folks who show up in May, drop the bike off on Thursday afternoon, and want it for a ride Saturday morning, do not get the same attention to detail. He told me he usually stops doing the frame and drivetrain cleaning in April, unless you're willing to give him a week or more before you're picking it up.
Software Zen:
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Mike Hankey wrote:
I tell customers all winter (while I'm slack) to let me work on the things that need to be done
You sound like the guy at the bicycle shop I go to. He likes me because I usually bring my bike in sometime in February for its annual tune-up. He's got plenty of time to do the job right. When I pick it up, the wheels have been trued, cables adjusted, drivetrain is clean, everything lubed as needed, even the frame's been washed and polished. The folks who show up in May, drop the bike off on Thursday afternoon, and want it for a ride Saturday morning, do not get the same attention to detail. He told me he usually stops doing the frame and drivetrain cleaning in April, unless you're willing to give him a week or more before you're picking it up.
Software Zen:
delete this;If I can do a job at my leasure and you are not in hurry I charge less and do a far superior job. I'm pretty lucky that way I don't let deadlines worry me and in my workings if I run across something that needs to be addressed I will bring it to your attention and we discuss options from there. Its funny I did a job a couple of years ago through a friend. They had a customer that wanted an old wooden 2 seater porch swing rebuilt and finished as it was of sentimental value. I argued that they could buy a new one cheaper but they wanted it done. It took me 2 months to do it and when they got it back they said it looked better than new and gave me a tip. Go figure! Thats how I write my software too..I take my time and don't get in any hurry but when I get done there are very few KNOWN bugs and is generally stable. Stress is the one of the things I'm learning to live without.:) Mike
Theres light at the end of the tunnel. Lord I hope it ain't no train!
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jason_lakewhitney wrote:
If parents want to point fingers, (hang on this could be bad)then why don't we blame some of those who were playing dead while others were being killed around them.
Is this hyperbole or are their actually people doing this? If the latter, link please.
-- CleaKO The sad part about this instance is that none of the users ever said anything [about the problem]. Pete O`Hanlon Doesn't that just tell you everything you need to know about users?
Here is a story on CNN about one who was shot and played dead. The shooter came into his classroom shot some people left the room shot some more people came back in and stood next to this guy and killed himself. [You could point a finger here]What if this guy would have tried to take down the shooter? http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/vtech.victims/index.html[^] But just a thought here, a member of one of the most persecuted groups of people on earth didn't lay down. This guy...God Bless him we can have no idea what all this world put him through and yet in his last moments he choice to lay down his life for another. Lesson to be learned, yea I think so. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266506,00.html[^] Here is an article of Mr.Liviu Librescu. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1176152841184&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull[^]
God Bless, Jason
Programmer: A biological machine designed to convert caffeine into code.
Developer: A person who develops working systems by writing and using software. [^]
