Having personal projects.
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My friends usually complain that,if they spend one day for coding they will spend one week for documenting it.Some time the lead or PM may send it back and again they will have to do rework on the document(Not in the code)
Good documentation is worth a lot. Documentation done just for the sake of having documentation... not so much. The essence of good communication is understanding your audience - kinda hard to write anything of value if you don't even know who, if anyone, will ever read it.
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It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.
--Raymond Chen on MSDN
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"I know, most of the programmers in CMM Level 5 companies waste sufficient time in documentation rather than doing coding." Documentation isn't waste of time. Like I'm working in a Complex project now which involves .NET+Mainframe(Legacy)+Cool: Gen(Middleware) - so here we're in a Requirement Analysis phase which is very very crucial in any project and that requires lots of documentations of existing systems n all. Coding is only 30% in Soft Engg. - I think. Anyway, I hardly get time for Personal Projects except weekends. Peace.
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I'm not saying that documentation is a complete waste of time. What I meant is ,it's not that much beneficial for the programmer. Even I too do documentation . Don't you feel that it steals valuable time,if you think from a programmer's angle. Main thing is you would be documenting a problem for you which already got the solution. You are only documenting how it's done. I am not saying about SRS and URS. those documents would normally be ready by the time you start coding.
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How many of you do spend time for personal projects?. And how many of you are getting permission from your company to do personal projects ?. I know many of my friends do spend time for their personal projects and publish them in fake names. Do a programmer get sufficient knowledge,if he sticks only with the tasks assigned to him by his employer. I know, most of the programmers in CMM Level 5 companies waste sufficient time in documentation rather than doing coding.
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I'm not saying that documentation is a complete waste of time. What I meant is ,it's not that much beneficial for the programmer. Even I too do documentation . Don't you feel that it steals valuable time,if you think from a programmer's angle. Main thing is you would be documenting a problem for you which already got the solution. You are only documenting how it's done. I am not saying about SRS and URS. those documents would normally be ready by the time you start coding.
"Don't you feel that it steals valuable time,if you think from a programmer's angle." True. But, you know, I work for the money:( - so I have to do what my lead say. btw here coding, documentation goes side by side - not all time documentation. -Peace
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"Don't you feel that it steals valuable time,if you think from a programmer's angle." True. But, you know, I work for the money:( - so I have to do what my lead say. btw here coding, documentation goes side by side - not all time documentation. -Peace
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How many of you do spend time for personal projects?. And how many of you are getting permission from your company to do personal projects ?. I know many of my friends do spend time for their personal projects and publish them in fake names. Do a programmer get sufficient knowledge,if he sticks only with the tasks assigned to him by his employer. I know, most of the programmers in CMM Level 5 companies waste sufficient time in documentation rather than doing coding.
I used to do a lot of personal projects, just to learn. Now I have too much on to even consider it.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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I usually do stuff for the fun of learning. If I were to copyright ANYTHING my employer would get the credit.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
leckey wrote:
If I were to copyright ANYTHING my employer would get the credit.
Well thats dumb, I wouldn't agree with that. I would have declined the job knowing that. If I want to create a program and copyright it I have the rights to it, not my employer.
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leckey wrote:
If I were to copyright ANYTHING my employer would get the credit.
Well thats dumb, I wouldn't agree with that. I would have declined the job knowing that. If I want to create a program and copyright it I have the rights to it, not my employer.
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I used to do a lot of personal projects, just to learn. Now I have too much on to even consider it.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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I used to do a lot of personal projects, just to learn. Now I have too much on to even consider it.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
People like you can afford that. But we are only growing as programmers. That's what I said .Some of my friends writes articles and publish personal projects in fake names.Coz,as leckey said most of the companies have rules regarding copyright and all. And I guess that's one reason why we find lot's of people with pseudo names here in CP also.
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I used to do a lot of personal projects, just to learn. Now I have too much on to even consider it.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Well, I think not all documentation activities can be considered on same level, RS/FS is must(obviously), documenting any specific problem that I encountered would be good if we have some relaxed timelines, otherwise we can skip it , no ? after all , 40 hours per week SHOULD be the limit .... and for documenting architecture things upto a deep level , well i dont think its of worth ... is it ? (btw, a debate is scheduled in our office over Documenting issue in next week ;P) I have learnt most in my personal projects... cuz you have to go through all software life cycle (though its small) yourself, and my employers consider it for their bonus....
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How many of you do spend time for personal projects?. And how many of you are getting permission from your company to do personal projects ?. I know many of my friends do spend time for their personal projects and publish them in fake names. Do a programmer get sufficient knowledge,if he sticks only with the tasks assigned to him by his employer. I know, most of the programmers in CMM Level 5 companies waste sufficient time in documentation rather than doing coding.
FWIW... I generally keep one or two personal projects going, though how much i work on them any given day or week depends a lot on how busy i am with everything else... and, well, how lazy i am that week. As for getting permission from my employer, well, no - morally, there's not much overlap between what i do for fun and what i do for my employer, and although i'm sure legally they could screw with me if someone got it into their head to do so, i wouldn't be working for them if i thought that was likely. There'll always be people who could cause me harm or hassle me; i'd rather not spend my life cowering in fear of such harassment.
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It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.
--Raymond Chen on MSDN
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Well if you stopped going to concerts all the time, maybe you would have some free time to impress the world with your personal projects.;P
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
*grin* actually, my reason is that I have too much paid work, nowadays. But, the odd concert keeps me going... Gonna see GnR and Sebastian Bach in a month or so.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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People like you can afford that. But we are only growing as programmers. That's what I said .Some of my friends writes articles and publish personal projects in fake names.Coz,as leckey said most of the companies have rules regarding copyright and all. And I guess that's one reason why we find lot's of people with pseudo names here in CP also.
People 'like' me ? When I wrote my first CP article, I had known MFC less than 6 months, and I worked for a boss who often gave me a hard time for my CP contributions. So, I know exactly what you're talking about.
jith - iii wrote:
most of the companies have rules regarding copyright
That's reasonable, they need to protect their interests. But, they should also recognise that pursuing other forms of programming, or just fun code that is in their space without actually coding something that could help anyone compete, is only going to make you a greater asset to them.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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How many of you do spend time for personal projects?. And how many of you are getting permission from your company to do personal projects ?. I know many of my friends do spend time for their personal projects and publish them in fake names. Do a programmer get sufficient knowledge,if he sticks only with the tasks assigned to him by his employer. I know, most of the programmers in CMM Level 5 companies waste sufficient time in documentation rather than doing coding.
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People 'like' me ? When I wrote my first CP article, I had known MFC less than 6 months, and I worked for a boss who often gave me a hard time for my CP contributions. So, I know exactly what you're talking about.
jith - iii wrote:
most of the companies have rules regarding copyright
That's reasonable, they need to protect their interests. But, they should also recognise that pursuing other forms of programming, or just fun code that is in their space without actually coding something that could help anyone compete, is only going to make you a greater asset to them.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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FWIW... I generally keep one or two personal projects going, though how much i work on them any given day or week depends a lot on how busy i am with everything else... and, well, how lazy i am that week. As for getting permission from my employer, well, no - morally, there's not much overlap between what i do for fun and what i do for my employer, and although i'm sure legally they could screw with me if someone got it into their head to do so, i wouldn't be working for them if i thought that was likely. There'll always be people who could cause me harm or hassle me; i'd rather not spend my life cowering in fear of such harassment.
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It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.
--Raymond Chen on MSDN
That's the same for me. I keep one or two personal projects going and there is no conflict of interest between what I do for fun and what I do for my employer. My problem is that I don't have enough time to work on my personal projects. I started developing my content management system years ago, when content management systems were quite rare. Now there are hundreds of them. But I still think my system has something to offer, because of the unique way it works - so I definitely want to finish this project soon. And maybe release the source code here on CP.
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How many of you do spend time for personal projects?. And how many of you are getting permission from your company to do personal projects ?. I know many of my friends do spend time for their personal projects and publish them in fake names. Do a programmer get sufficient knowledge,if he sticks only with the tasks assigned to him by his employer. I know, most of the programmers in CMM Level 5 companies waste sufficient time in documentation rather than doing coding.
I assume you mean personal projects FOR MONEY? I think everyone does some fooling around in code at home. If you mean for personal gain, yes, I used to do that up until a month or so ago. But as my workload increased I found less time to do private jobs, and the last job I did really interfered with my daily work schedule, as I had a (private) client demanding his application, and some serious work deadlines looming. It was a very tough couple of weeks, and I won't be doing that again.
Greetings from sunny South Africa!
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jith - iii wrote:
I know, most of the programmers in CMM Level 5 companies waste sufficient time in documentation rather than doing coding.
Documentation isn't a waste of time buddy.
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jith - iii wrote:
I know, most of the programmers in CMM Level 5 companies waste sufficient time in documentation rather than doing coding.
Documentation isn't a waste of time buddy.
brahmma wrote:
I know, most of the programmers in CMM Level 5 companies waste sufficient time in documentation rather than doing coding. Documentation isn't a waste of time buddy.
Damned straight. At the same time, though, developers shouldn't waste their time on documentation, and tech. writers shouldn't waste their time on coding/testing/debugging.