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  • R realJSOP

    ...that Vista determines what apps should be run with admin privileges based on the name of the executable? If the name of your exe includes "Install", Vista will require admin rights for it to run. If you simple change the name of the exe to something like "Boffo", it will NOT require admin rights to run. Microsoft claims it was a method for preventing malware to run, but now that the malware authors know about it, I guess it's been reduced to yet another pointless "security" feature. Way to go, MS!

    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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    "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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    Rajesh R Subramanian
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    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

    If you simple change the name of the exe to something like "Boffo", it will NOT require admin rights to run.

    Microsoft: "Boffo" added to the list :cool: Now anything with "boffo" in its name will require admin priveleges!

    found at bash.org [kernx]|.|.|.|.|.|.|.| [kernx]sorry, wrong window [beox33]say me why in the f*ck will you type that in any window

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      so there's a huge strcmp in the code ?!?%!%


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      prasad_som
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      Maximilien wrote:

      so there's a huge strcmp in the code

      strstr, probably. :)


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      • R Rajesh R Subramanian

        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

        If you simple change the name of the exe to something like "Boffo", it will NOT require admin rights to run.

        Microsoft: "Boffo" added to the list :cool: Now anything with "boffo" in its name will require admin priveleges!

        found at bash.org [kernx]|.|.|.|.|.|.|.| [kernx]sorry, wrong window [beox33]say me why in the f*ck will you type that in any window

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        prasad_som
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        :laugh:


        Prasad MS MVP -  VC++

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        • P prasad_som

          Maximilien wrote:

          so there's a huge strcmp in the code

          strstr, probably. :)


          Prasad MS MVP -  VC++

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          Rajesh R Subramanian
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          No programming discussion in the lounge :p

          found at bash.org [kernx]|.|.|.|.|.|.|.| [kernx]sorry, wrong window [beox33]say me why in the f*ck will you type that in any window

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          • R realJSOP

            ...that Vista determines what apps should be run with admin privileges based on the name of the executable? If the name of your exe includes "Install", Vista will require admin rights for it to run. If you simple change the name of the exe to something like "Boffo", it will NOT require admin rights to run. Microsoft claims it was a method for preventing malware to run, but now that the malware authors know about it, I guess it's been reduced to yet another pointless "security" feature. Way to go, MS!

            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
            -----
            "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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            hairy_hats
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            This works in XP too - try making a copy of notepad.exe and call it install.exe. :rolleyes:

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            • N NormDroid

              I thought we'd had April Fools :~

              .net is a box of never ending treasures, every day I get find another gem.

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              JimmyRopes
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              Every day is April 1st for the Redmond security team. X| They have come out with some real winners. :rolleyes:

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              • R realJSOP

                ...that Vista determines what apps should be run with admin privileges based on the name of the executable? If the name of your exe includes "Install", Vista will require admin rights for it to run. If you simple change the name of the exe to something like "Boffo", it will NOT require admin rights to run. Microsoft claims it was a method for preventing malware to run, but now that the malware authors know about it, I guess it's been reduced to yet another pointless "security" feature. Way to go, MS!

                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                -----
                "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                Duncan Edwards Jones
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                But then, what would be a sensible alternative? I thought maybe parsing the imports table for harmful API calls,...but then you'd have to do a whole lot of work going down through the entire imports tree.

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                • H hairy_hats

                  This works in XP too - try making a copy of notepad.exe and call it install.exe. :rolleyes:

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                  NormDroid
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                  So this isn't something new?

                  .net is a box of never ending treasures, every day I get find another gem.

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                  • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                    If you simple change the name of the exe to something like "Boffo", it will NOT require admin rights to run.

                    Microsoft: "Boffo" added to the list :cool: Now anything with "boffo" in its name will require admin priveleges!

                    found at bash.org [kernx]|.|.|.|.|.|.|.| [kernx]sorry, wrong window [beox33]say me why in the f*ck will you type that in any window

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                    JimmyRopes
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                    brahmma wrote:

                    Now anything with "boffo" in its name will require admin priveleges!

                    Yes but it won't come out until the next operating system is released! :~ Boffo is safe for a few years at least. :laugh:

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                    • N NormDroid

                      So this isn't something new?

                      .net is a box of never ending treasures, every day I get find another gem.

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                      JimmyRopes
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                      norm .net wrote:

                      So this isn't something new?

                      So you believed the marketing hype that Vista was rewritten from the ground up to make it more secure. :rolleyes:

                      Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
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                      • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                        No programming discussion in the lounge :p

                        found at bash.org [kernx]|.|.|.|.|.|.|.| [kernx]sorry, wrong window [beox33]say me why in the f*ck will you type that in any window

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                        prasad_som
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                        Oops !


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                        • N NormDroid

                          So this isn't something new?

                          .net is a box of never ending treasures, every day I get find another gem.

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                          David Crow
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                          norm .net wrote:

                          So this isn't something new?

                          No, XP employs the same "feature"


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                          • G gaurav_scr

                            Do you mean if I rename a normal exe file to install.exe then it will ask for admin rights to start?

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                            realJSOP
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                            According to what I've read, yes.

                            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                            "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                            • P Pete OHanlon

                              Link please.

                              Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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                              szukuro
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                              http://blogs.msdn.com/onoj/archive/2007/04/20/windows-vista-uac-and-installer-detection.aspx[^]

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                              • R realJSOP

                                ...that Vista determines what apps should be run with admin privileges based on the name of the executable? If the name of your exe includes "Install", Vista will require admin rights for it to run. If you simple change the name of the exe to something like "Boffo", it will NOT require admin rights to run. Microsoft claims it was a method for preventing malware to run, but now that the malware authors know about it, I guess it's been reduced to yet another pointless "security" feature. Way to go, MS!

                                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                -----
                                "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                Steve Thresher
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                                This is a good idea. Honest developers don't need to do anything to their installer other than change the name to get elevated permissions. Spyware programs cannot run without confirmation from the operator. The only problem I can see is if your everyday application is called setup or install which would seem very unlikely. Read this[^] for more information.

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                                • H hairy_hats

                                  This works in XP too - try making a copy of notepad.exe and call it install.exe. :rolleyes:

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                                  lost in transition
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                                  That didn't work. I copied notepad.exe to my desktop, ran it and closed, then renamed it, ran it and closed with no problems.


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                                    ...that Vista determines what apps should be run with admin privileges based on the name of the executable? If the name of your exe includes "Install", Vista will require admin rights for it to run. If you simple change the name of the exe to something like "Boffo", it will NOT require admin rights to run. Microsoft claims it was a method for preventing malware to run, but now that the malware authors know about it, I guess it's been reduced to yet another pointless "security" feature. Way to go, MS!

                                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                    -----
                                    "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                    Bradml
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                                    Idiots.


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                                    • L lost in transition

                                      That didn't work. I copied notepad.exe to my desktop, ran it and closed, then renamed it, ran it and closed with no problems.


                                      God Bless, Jason
                                      Programmer: A biological machine designed to convert caffeine into code.
                                      Developer: A person who develops working systems by writing and using software. [^]

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                                      Dario Solera
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                                      You should try with a normal user account, not administrator.

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                                      • S Steve Thresher

                                        This is a good idea. Honest developers don't need to do anything to their installer other than change the name to get elevated permissions. Spyware programs cannot run without confirmation from the operator. The only problem I can see is if your everyday application is called setup or install which would seem very unlikely. Read this[^] for more information.

                                        AxisFirst For Business

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                                        Dave Sexton
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                                        Steve Thresher wrote:

                                        Honest developers

                                        And the dishonest ones?

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                                        • S Steve Thresher

                                          This is a good idea. Honest developers don't need to do anything to their installer other than change the name to get elevated permissions. Spyware programs cannot run without confirmation from the operator. The only problem I can see is if your everyday application is called setup or install which would seem very unlikely. Read this[^] for more information.

                                          AxisFirst For Business

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                                          JimmyRopes
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                                          Steve Thresher wrote:

                                          Spyware programs cannot run without confirmation from the operator

                                          Unless they are named Boffo.exe! :rolleyes:

                                          Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
                                          Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
                                          I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes

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