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Do you mean if I rename a normal exe file to install.exe then it will ask for admin rights to start?
According to what I've read, yes.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
...that Vista determines what apps should be run with admin privileges based on the name of the executable? If the name of your exe includes "Install", Vista will require admin rights for it to run. If you simple change the name of the exe to something like "Boffo", it will NOT require admin rights to run. Microsoft claims it was a method for preventing malware to run, but now that the malware authors know about it, I guess it's been reduced to yet another pointless "security" feature. Way to go, MS!
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001This is a good idea. Honest developers don't need to do anything to their installer other than change the name to get elevated permissions. Spyware programs cannot run without confirmation from the operator. The only problem I can see is if your everyday application is called setup or install which would seem very unlikely. Read this[^] for more information.
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Link please.
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This works in XP too - try making a copy of notepad.exe and call it install.exe. :rolleyes:
That didn't work. I copied notepad.exe to my desktop, ran it and closed, then renamed it, ran it and closed with no problems.
God Bless, Jason
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...that Vista determines what apps should be run with admin privileges based on the name of the executable? If the name of your exe includes "Install", Vista will require admin rights for it to run. If you simple change the name of the exe to something like "Boffo", it will NOT require admin rights to run. Microsoft claims it was a method for preventing malware to run, but now that the malware authors know about it, I guess it's been reduced to yet another pointless "security" feature. Way to go, MS!
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
That didn't work. I copied notepad.exe to my desktop, ran it and closed, then renamed it, ran it and closed with no problems.
God Bless, Jason
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This is a good idea. Honest developers don't need to do anything to their installer other than change the name to get elevated permissions. Spyware programs cannot run without confirmation from the operator. The only problem I can see is if your everyday application is called setup or install which would seem very unlikely. Read this[^] for more information.
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Steve Thresher wrote:
Honest developers
And the dishonest ones?
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This is a good idea. Honest developers don't need to do anything to their installer other than change the name to get elevated permissions. Spyware programs cannot run without confirmation from the operator. The only problem I can see is if your everyday application is called setup or install which would seem very unlikely. Read this[^] for more information.
AxisFirst For Business
Steve Thresher wrote:
Spyware programs cannot run without confirmation from the operator
Unless they are named Boffo.exe! :rolleyes:
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This is a good idea. Honest developers don't need to do anything to their installer other than change the name to get elevated permissions. Spyware programs cannot run without confirmation from the operator. The only problem I can see is if your everyday application is called setup or install which would seem very unlikely. Read this[^] for more information.
AxisFirst For Business
I hope malware writers don't rename there files to something less suspecious , like say, cute.scr or something becose then it would go right past. Hope they all stay named, oh, virus_installer.exe or something.:wtf:
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...that Vista determines what apps should be run with admin privileges based on the name of the executable? If the name of your exe includes "Install", Vista will require admin rights for it to run. If you simple change the name of the exe to something like "Boffo", it will NOT require admin rights to run. Microsoft claims it was a method for preventing malware to run, but now that the malware authors know about it, I guess it's been reduced to yet another pointless "security" feature. Way to go, MS!
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
...that Vista determines what apps should be run with admin privileges based on the name of the executable? If the name of your exe includes "Install", Vista will require admin rights for it to run. If you simple change the name of the exe to something like "Boffo", it will NOT require admin rights to run. Microsoft claims it was a method for preventing malware to run, but now that the malware authors know about it, I guess it's been reduced to yet another pointless "security" feature. Way to go, MS!
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001The alternative would have been for every installer to be modified to include an application manifest with admin privilege levels. Given that this would have been commercial suicide, MS took the safe option - no matter how bodgy it appears. Remember that if an app is deemed as requiring admin permissions and UAC is on you'll get a UAC prompt - the "installer" won't get those permissions automatically. So malware disguised as an installer still needs "some idiot" to press the big red button (which they probably will, but then some people can't be helped...) before it can do it's worst.
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Steve Thresher wrote:
Spyware programs cannot run without confirmation from the operator
Unless they are named Boffo.exe! :rolleyes:
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesIn which case they don't get admin privileges. As simple a thing as attempting to write to the Local Machine hive will result in E_ACCESS_DENIED. :)
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You should try with a normal user account, not administrator.
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God Bless, Jason
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I hope malware writers don't rename there files to something less suspecious , like say, cute.scr or something becose then it would go right past. Hope they all stay named, oh, virus_installer.exe or something.:wtf:
Yes. The common name of the virus is included at the end. For example, a virus might be named something like INSTALL_VIRUS_W32.KWBOT.F.WORM.EXE That is the prescribed standard.
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Yes. The common name of the virus is included at the end. For example, a virus might be named something like INSTALL_VIRUS_W32.KWBOT.F.WORM.EXE That is the prescribed standard.
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brahmma wrote:
That is the prescribed standard.
last i heard, the ISO was still debating this. there was a big disagreement over backwards compatibility with 8.3 systems. but, IMO, that needs to be split into a separate standard.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
If you simple change the name of the exe to something like "Boffo", it will NOT require admin rights to run.
Microsoft: "Boffo" added to the list :cool: Now anything with "boffo" in its name will require admin priveleges!
found at bash.org [kernx]|.|.|.|.|.|.|.| [kernx]sorry, wrong window [beox33]say me why in the f*ck will you type that in any window
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The alternative would have been for every installer to be modified to include an application manifest with admin privilege levels. Given that this would have been commercial suicide, MS took the safe option - no matter how bodgy it appears. Remember that if an app is deemed as requiring admin permissions and UAC is on you'll get a UAC prompt - the "installer" won't get those permissions automatically. So malware disguised as an installer still needs "some idiot" to press the big red button (which they probably will, but then some people can't be helped...) before it can do it's worst.
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
an installer still needs "some idiot" to press the big red button
There is no shortage of those.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
I hope malware writers don't rename there files to something less suspecious , like say, cute.scr or something becose then it would go right past. Hope they all stay named, oh, virus_installer.exe or something.:wtf:
You're an idiot. See Anna-Jayne's replies.
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This works in XP too - try making a copy of notepad.exe and call it install.exe. :rolleyes:
I remember seeing this behavior on XP years back. I was too lazy to log out (I'm a local admin) and check as I was having a lot of apps running, and went down to play TT. :->
Cheers, Vikram.
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I hope malware writers don't rename there files to something less suspecious , like say, cute.scr or something becose then it would go right past. Hope they all stay named, oh, virus_installer.exe or something.:wtf:
I find it incredible that you've got two 5 votes. It's normal programs called "Setup.exe" or "Install.exe" that require admin privileges, not the other way round. Unless, of course, that was sarcasm.
Cheers, Vikram.
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