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  • B Brady Kelly

    Thoughts on defending the US if aliens invade: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0%2C1697%2C2122568%2C00.asp[^]

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    Rajesh R Subramanian
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    'Coz Will Smith is there anyway... ;)

    Here comes the men in black

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    • R Rajesh R Subramanian

      'Coz Will Smith is there anyway... ;)

      Here comes the men in black

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      peterchen
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      Unless he's busy shooting that romantic comedy sequel..


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      • P peterchen

        Unless he's busy shooting that romantic comedy sequel..


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        Rajesh R Subramanian
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        We have Kyle for backup, ;) in case Will Smith is busy.

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        • R Rajesh R Subramanian

          We have Kyle for backup, ;) in case Will Smith is busy.

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          peterchen
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          You think he'll insult them to death?


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          • P peterchen

            You think he'll insult them to death?


            We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
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            Pete OHanlon
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            No - but it would be worth it to see them zap him.

            Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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            • P peterchen

              You think he'll insult them to death?


              We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
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              Dario Solera
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              :laugh::laugh::laugh:

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              • P Pete OHanlon

                No - but it would be worth it to see them zap him.

                Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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                peterchen
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                Point!


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                • B Brady Kelly

                  Thoughts on defending the US if aliens invade: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0%2C1697%2C2122568%2C00.asp[^]

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                  Vikram A Punathambekar
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                  The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the Universe is the fact that none of it has tried to contact us - Bill Watterson.[^] :-> Now if I get branded a misanthrope and voted down for *this*, I can understand. Sort of. ;)

                  Cheers, Vıkram.


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                  • P peterchen

                    Unless he's busy shooting that romantic comedy sequel..


                    We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
                    My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighist

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                    Vikram A Punathambekar
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                    Then we'll lend you our own "Captain" Vijaykanth[^]. :laugh:

                    Cheers, Vıkram.


                    "But nowadays, it means nothing. Features are never frozen, development keeps happening, bugs never get fixed, and documentation is something you might find on wikipedia." - Marc Clifton on betas.

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                    • B Brady Kelly

                      Thoughts on defending the US if aliens invade: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0%2C1697%2C2122568%2C00.asp[^]

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                      Dan Neely
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                      I've bought the book and met two of the authors (Taylor and Boan) about year ago. It was an enjoyable read. :)

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                      • B Brady Kelly

                        Thoughts on defending the US if aliens invade: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0%2C1697%2C2122568%2C00.asp[^]

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                        JimmyRopes
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                        Could build a wall at the southern border. :rolleyes:

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                        • B Brady Kelly

                          Thoughts on defending the US if aliens invade: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0%2C1697%2C2122568%2C00.asp[^]

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                          Chris Maunder
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                          As long as we have Will Smith on our side we're good to go.

                          cheers, Chris Maunder

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                            As long as we have Will Smith on our side we're good to go.

                            cheers, Chris Maunder

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                            Dan Neely
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                            It's not Will Smith we need, it's his script writer that's the key. :rolleyes:

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                              Thoughts on defending the US if aliens invade: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0%2C1697%2C2122568%2C00.asp[^]

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                              Nathan Addy
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                              Seems kind of silly. My opinion is that if any alien species that has the technology to get here can blow us away comically easily, so much so that the idea of any resistance is ludicrous. Here's one way it could go down. Suppose the aliens are 10 light years away and can travel .1 times the speed of light. They steam off from their planet towards earth, and fire a probe filled with germs towards the earth just a little faster than they are traveling. Probe hits earth a couple years before they land, and when they show up, all living things are dead (an RNA munching virus maybe). There would be no fight or anything. The only thing that is potentially unrealistic here is that our biochemistry would be similar enough to the martians that they can know what bugs to design. (But the design itself isn't a huge deal - humans should be able to make something that potent within the next 100 years I would think). It'll be several hundred years at least before we can go to the stars. So anyone who comes to attack is is going to be many hundreds of years at minimum (but say, uniformly distributed between 500 years and 100,000 years ahead of us). The Iraqi insurgency is only about 40 years technologically behind the US, and likely less. And reason they are a force is because we don't want to exterminate the country. If we were either in the business of truly and utterly destroying the country, or in making slaves of the population (although I think this scenario is unrealistic too), we would have no problems at all. In reality, I doubt we have much to worry about. I suspect plenty of intelligent life gets started in the universe, but I don't think any of them would be likely to survive more than a couple hundred years, at best, past their technological beginnings (for humankind, I'd set that date at about 1850-1900). Needless to say, I think we've got much bigger things to worry about than the possibility of an alien attacking.

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                                Then we'll lend you our own "Captain" Vijaykanth[^]. :laugh:

                                Cheers, Vıkram.


                                "But nowadays, it means nothing. Features are never frozen, development keeps happening, bugs never get fixed, and documentation is something you might find on wikipedia." - Marc Clifton on betas.

                                Join the CP group at NationStates. Password: byalmightybob

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                                Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                OMFG LOL

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                                  Seems kind of silly. My opinion is that if any alien species that has the technology to get here can blow us away comically easily, so much so that the idea of any resistance is ludicrous. Here's one way it could go down. Suppose the aliens are 10 light years away and can travel .1 times the speed of light. They steam off from their planet towards earth, and fire a probe filled with germs towards the earth just a little faster than they are traveling. Probe hits earth a couple years before they land, and when they show up, all living things are dead (an RNA munching virus maybe). There would be no fight or anything. The only thing that is potentially unrealistic here is that our biochemistry would be similar enough to the martians that they can know what bugs to design. (But the design itself isn't a huge deal - humans should be able to make something that potent within the next 100 years I would think). It'll be several hundred years at least before we can go to the stars. So anyone who comes to attack is is going to be many hundreds of years at minimum (but say, uniformly distributed between 500 years and 100,000 years ahead of us). The Iraqi insurgency is only about 40 years technologically behind the US, and likely less. And reason they are a force is because we don't want to exterminate the country. If we were either in the business of truly and utterly destroying the country, or in making slaves of the population (although I think this scenario is unrealistic too), we would have no problems at all. In reality, I doubt we have much to worry about. I suspect plenty of intelligent life gets started in the universe, but I don't think any of them would be likely to survive more than a couple hundred years, at best, past their technological beginnings (for humankind, I'd set that date at about 1850-1900). Needless to say, I think we've got much bigger things to worry about than the possibility of an alien attacking.

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                                  Right now, based on what exists in the way of open source technology we probably would be screwed unless the enemy manpower was very low. Which is why the authors argue that surprise is our strongest weapon and that as a result anything we do know about them (eg if there really is a Roswell UFO) should be buried under the deepest levels of classification to make sure that any countermeasures we've developed as a result would come as a complete surprise at the time of the attack. The actual intent of the ETs could also be a major factor, there's a wide spread between the extermination goals of the ID4 aliens and the predominant SETI belief that any ET would have to be peaceful. Depending on their goals just being a pita could be enough of a defense, especially given the assumption that at least some part of our R&D capability might survive in hiding to reverse engineer their deathrays and build our own. Baring handwavium physics any invader would almost certainly be outnumbered by a degree orders of magnitude worse than the situation in iraq and afganistan.

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                                    Right now, based on what exists in the way of open source technology we probably would be screwed unless the enemy manpower was very low. Which is why the authors argue that surprise is our strongest weapon and that as a result anything we do know about them (eg if there really is a Roswell UFO) should be buried under the deepest levels of classification to make sure that any countermeasures we've developed as a result would come as a complete surprise at the time of the attack. The actual intent of the ETs could also be a major factor, there's a wide spread between the extermination goals of the ID4 aliens and the predominant SETI belief that any ET would have to be peaceful. Depending on their goals just being a pita could be enough of a defense, especially given the assumption that at least some part of our R&D capability might survive in hiding to reverse engineer their deathrays and build our own. Baring handwavium physics any invader would almost certainly be outnumbered by a degree orders of magnitude worse than the situation in iraq and afganistan.

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                                    Nathan Addy
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                                    I just don't think the idea of resisting is remotely realistic, I don't care how much advanced, top-secret R&D is developed. If the Martians want us dead, we're dead. You're talking a minimum (but probably a lot more) of probably 500 years of scientific advancement past us, and they have first strike. To use a silly metaphor, it doesn't matter in the slightest how much advance warning a big band of caveman has that some small elite troop of 21st century commandos is coming. No amount of "top-secret super-spears" is going to make a difference. For instance, they could park their UFO behind the moon and lob nukes at us (or maybe they could sit just outside our solar system and do the same). We couldn't stop those bombs, and we wouldn't even be able to fire back. We would simply be helpless. Insurgencies only work when the opposition doesn't want to kill everything that moves (the US could easily end the insurgency by dropping a few nukes on Iraq for example), and I think that for a separate, far more advanced species that has traveled dozens of light years at minimum to fight us, the assumption they wouldn't just want to destroy everything that lives is a big one. Furthermore, I dont' think the idea of reverse engineering their weapons is sound. (For the moment, I'll even assume no factory or plant has been touched in the attack, which itself is a bold assumption.) I can't think of a single example of a piece of modern day technology that you could take back 500 years and have people begin building it in any kind of speedy manner. If you took an ipod back to the middle ages, what could they do, even if (completely unrealistically, as the ipod is built on 500 years of physics they don't even have) they understood it's operation completely? Even just for the plastic casing and chips, you'd have to go out and start producing oil (which obviously requires an entire industry of its own), finding and preparing silicon, building small chip fabs in order to generate the infrastructure to build larger chip fabs, etc, etc. Just the materials and production capabilities alone would probably make it so it would be 100 years before the first ipod could roll of an assembly line, even if everyone knew exactly what they were doing and pursued it with incredible focus. But that said, I wouldn't worry about it. I think the human race is far, far more likely to destroy itself in the next 100 years than the aliens coming to do it for us. Those problems seem to be a lot more relevant, and we might actually be a

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