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  • D David Wulff

    I have honestly never done that. Instead, I ask co-workers to ask the questions for me. It's all in the phrasing. ;)


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    Rajesh R Subramanian
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    David Wulff wrote:

    Instead, I ask co-workers to ask the questions for me.

    That is just brilliant. :laugh:

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      How many of you have ever asked a question like this? "So there's this co-worker of mine needing help with _ _ _ _ and _ _ _ _ do you have any good links or information?" and the co-worker is really you but you don't want anyone to know? Come on! Fess up! Be honest. I just did this in the ADO/SQL section for fun and had to laugh as I wondered how often each of us has done this. For me I think I can safely say I've done it maybe a dozen times at least. If you are really bold fess up and tell what your question was that you were faking your identity for. No really! You're among friends we won't mock or shame you ... very much.;)


      My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my affinity, in this life or the next. - Gladiator. (Okay, not quite Gladiator but close.) I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact. Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might? - Lord Byron

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      Rajesh R Subramanian
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      Never done that.

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      • J Josh Smith

        There's this co-worker of mine who does that...

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        Rajesh R Subramanian
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        ROTFL.

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          How many of you have ever asked a question like this? "So there's this co-worker of mine needing help with _ _ _ _ and _ _ _ _ do you have any good links or information?" and the co-worker is really you but you don't want anyone to know? Come on! Fess up! Be honest. I just did this in the ADO/SQL section for fun and had to laugh as I wondered how often each of us has done this. For me I think I can safely say I've done it maybe a dozen times at least. If you are really bold fess up and tell what your question was that you were faking your identity for. No really! You're among friends we won't mock or shame you ... very much.;)


          My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my affinity, in this life or the next. - Gladiator. (Okay, not quite Gladiator but close.) I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact. Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might? - Lord Byron

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          Pawel Krakowiak
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          Never done this.. When I don't know something, I admit.

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            Google can at times be too saturated with information and when you are searching for something kind of generic sifting through the results can at times make you wish for 'grep' in Google but only if you could get a bulk diluge of all 100 results on the page where a 'grep' would be more than summary. I've considered writing a shell script in Linux that would issue a Google query and then 'grep' inside the first 10 results and step to the next 10 if you didn't find any hits. I have to admit though I'm not a Google blackbelt at all. I can do very basic searches but I have no idea how to constrain results to narrower and narrower sets outside of quoting strings.


            My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my affinity, in this life or the next. - Gladiator. (Okay, not quite Gladiator but close.) I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact. Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might? - Lord Byron

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            si618
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            This might help :)

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              How many of you have ever asked a question like this? "So there's this co-worker of mine needing help with _ _ _ _ and _ _ _ _ do you have any good links or information?" and the co-worker is really you but you don't want anyone to know? Come on! Fess up! Be honest. I just did this in the ADO/SQL section for fun and had to laugh as I wondered how often each of us has done this. For me I think I can safely say I've done it maybe a dozen times at least. If you are really bold fess up and tell what your question was that you were faking your identity for. No really! You're among friends we won't mock or shame you ... very much.;)


              My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my affinity, in this life or the next. - Gladiator. (Okay, not quite Gladiator but close.) I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact. Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might? - Lord Byron

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              jlwarlow
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              code-frog wrote:

              How many of you have ever asked a question like this? "So there's this co-worker of mine needing help with _ _ _ _ and _ _ _ _ do you have any good links or information?" and the co-worker is really you but you don't want anyone to know?

              Sign up with a free internet email account and ask under a pseudonym :)

              Never argue with an imbecile; they bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.

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                How many of you have ever asked a question like this? "So there's this co-worker of mine needing help with _ _ _ _ and _ _ _ _ do you have any good links or information?" and the co-worker is really you but you don't want anyone to know? Come on! Fess up! Be honest. I just did this in the ADO/SQL section for fun and had to laugh as I wondered how often each of us has done this. For me I think I can safely say I've done it maybe a dozen times at least. If you are really bold fess up and tell what your question was that you were faking your identity for. No really! You're among friends we won't mock or shame you ... very much.;)


                My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my affinity, in this life or the next. - Gladiator. (Okay, not quite Gladiator but close.) I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact. Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might? - Lord Byron

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                Brady Kelly
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                I can honestly say I've never, ever done that.

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                  How many of you have ever asked a question like this? "So there's this co-worker of mine needing help with _ _ _ _ and _ _ _ _ do you have any good links or information?" and the co-worker is really you but you don't want anyone to know? Come on! Fess up! Be honest. I just did this in the ADO/SQL section for fun and had to laugh as I wondered how often each of us has done this. For me I think I can safely say I've done it maybe a dozen times at least. If you are really bold fess up and tell what your question was that you were faking your identity for. No really! You're among friends we won't mock or shame you ... very much.;)


                  My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my affinity, in this life or the next. - Gladiator. (Okay, not quite Gladiator but close.) I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact. Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might? - Lord Byron

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                  ednrgc
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                  I've never done that. I've usually given help without expecting anything in return. This has come full circle because I am the one needing help with this current project. They are using an in-house framework that is so convoluted, I can't seem to grasp the entire concept. Luckily, I have been doing a ton of bug fixes prior to this. So, my co-workers know I am capable, just not getting the internal concept.

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                    How many of you have ever asked a question like this? "So there's this co-worker of mine needing help with _ _ _ _ and _ _ _ _ do you have any good links or information?" and the co-worker is really you but you don't want anyone to know? Come on! Fess up! Be honest. I just did this in the ADO/SQL section for fun and had to laugh as I wondered how often each of us has done this. For me I think I can safely say I've done it maybe a dozen times at least. If you are really bold fess up and tell what your question was that you were faking your identity for. No really! You're among friends we won't mock or shame you ... very much.;)


                    My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my affinity, in this life or the next. - Gladiator. (Okay, not quite Gladiator but close.) I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact. Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might? - Lord Byron

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                    Steve Naidamast
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                    Never... I am the one who does the research for everyone else...

                    Steve Naidamast Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@ix.netcom.com

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                      How many of you have ever asked a question like this? "So there's this co-worker of mine needing help with _ _ _ _ and _ _ _ _ do you have any good links or information?" and the co-worker is really you but you don't want anyone to know? Come on! Fess up! Be honest. I just did this in the ADO/SQL section for fun and had to laugh as I wondered how often each of us has done this. For me I think I can safely say I've done it maybe a dozen times at least. If you are really bold fess up and tell what your question was that you were faking your identity for. No really! You're among friends we won't mock or shame you ... very much.;)


                      My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my affinity, in this life or the next. - Gladiator. (Okay, not quite Gladiator but close.) I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact. Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might? - Lord Byron

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                      Hello developers, There is an inherently anonymous aspect to the web. The socialogists/political among us may argue that the web is the pinnacle of human freedom, by giving voice to the voiceless, allowing people to voice often controversial opinions, without having to worry about reprisal. As long as you aren't making serious threats or otherwise abusing your right to free speech, the web is a great place to voice strong opinions. You have to be prepared to throw those opinions in the garbage can or seriously revise them; online web posts can be ripped apart. My new favourite slogan is "Strong opinions, weakly held". I thank Bob Sutton for coming up with such a great phrase: http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/07/strong_opinions.html Although I've made lots of blunders in my career, I haven't ever gone to an anonymous group of developers to air or get solutions to them. I make technical mistakes, and I make CLM's - Career Limiting Moves. Most of the time, my social gaffe's outweigh my technical oversights, and talking to a bunch of introverted developers who talk to computers all day about my social blunders don't help me. Why would it? 90% of the time, if I see another developer struggling with a social/non-technical issue, I wouldn't be able to help them. The nature of our work doesn't readily lend itself to soft-skills and being good interpersonally. In fact, I think there is a chasm that exists in IT. On the left side of the chasm are development skills and on the right side are interpersonal skills. The chasm was so large years ago, people hardly recognized that it existed. Over the last twenty years, the business community has seen that it exists, and that tech people need to become better inter-personally. Even though the media and I insist that developers must get better in the soft-skills, I don't observe that trend going on too much. I can be social and outgoing, but not after a solid 40 hour week of hard-core coding. In my opinion, the traits that make me a good developer impede my progress in becoming better inter-personally. How do accuracy, attention to detail, and not making assumptions during development, help you become better inter-personally? THEY DON'T! To become a better people-person, you have to see the larger picture, you have to paint with a broad brush, and use your intuition to make assumptions about peoples background. The two areas are so divergent, and I would wager mo

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                        Hello developers, There is an inherently anonymous aspect to the web. The socialogists/political among us may argue that the web is the pinnacle of human freedom, by giving voice to the voiceless, allowing people to voice often controversial opinions, without having to worry about reprisal. As long as you aren't making serious threats or otherwise abusing your right to free speech, the web is a great place to voice strong opinions. You have to be prepared to throw those opinions in the garbage can or seriously revise them; online web posts can be ripped apart. My new favourite slogan is "Strong opinions, weakly held". I thank Bob Sutton for coming up with such a great phrase: http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/07/strong_opinions.html Although I've made lots of blunders in my career, I haven't ever gone to an anonymous group of developers to air or get solutions to them. I make technical mistakes, and I make CLM's - Career Limiting Moves. Most of the time, my social gaffe's outweigh my technical oversights, and talking to a bunch of introverted developers who talk to computers all day about my social blunders don't help me. Why would it? 90% of the time, if I see another developer struggling with a social/non-technical issue, I wouldn't be able to help them. The nature of our work doesn't readily lend itself to soft-skills and being good interpersonally. In fact, I think there is a chasm that exists in IT. On the left side of the chasm are development skills and on the right side are interpersonal skills. The chasm was so large years ago, people hardly recognized that it existed. Over the last twenty years, the business community has seen that it exists, and that tech people need to become better inter-personally. Even though the media and I insist that developers must get better in the soft-skills, I don't observe that trend going on too much. I can be social and outgoing, but not after a solid 40 hour week of hard-core coding. In my opinion, the traits that make me a good developer impede my progress in becoming better inter-personally. How do accuracy, attention to detail, and not making assumptions during development, help you become better inter-personally? THEY DON'T! To become a better people-person, you have to see the larger picture, you have to paint with a broad brush, and use your intuition to make assumptions about peoples background. The two areas are so divergent, and I would wager mo

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                        code frog 0
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                        I started this thread knowing that there are many developers here who use more than one sign-in. I've never done that and never will. Much too complicated and I'm just not good at hiding behind something that isn't me. When I started asking my question in the SQL/ADO forum I was thinking of the joke "2 guys walk into a bar" and that got me thinking about, "So there's this co-worker..." I think you are right about their being a chasm between being very good at technical that will naturally hold you back as you lack the social skills etc... I've always sucked at ass kissing and I always will. I won't suck up to anyone for anything. When I'm working I work very hard and my lunch break is usually 10 minutes long and then I'm back working as I don't really feel the need to rub shoulders with 10 co-workers to build up a false sense of security. As a result I've never done well in corporate environments. I am extremely focused and determined and usually pass up the "known experts" with productivity just because I don't have time for distractions and don't cater to them which includes kissing ass, going to meetings and befriending the new people. Now I'm self-employed and making about 5 to 10 times (just depends) what I made as an employee and am incredibly satisfied. My customers love how productive I am and the efficiency that I carry out tasks. The only feedback I ever get is to hang out and talk more when I'm on-site. They like to hear from me and I'm not that social. I'm the type of quick-in, do the work, quick-out and get back to your family person. So anyway, my point in all of this is that your comments are right but not at all enlightening. People have always been like this and it's not just limited to technical types. You see it in children, doctors, retailers, sandwich makers. Some people are just focused and determined and they carry that in to any industry. They care less about how they look and more about how they perform. Those are the people that make America great. The other 90% are just ass-sucking idiots who ride the coat-tails of the determined and exploit their acheivement touting it as their own success. LAME!

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                        • M Marc Clifton

                          Unlike you, I know how to use google. ;P Marc

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                          kurt place
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                          Me too. I am a better googler than I am a programmer. Fortunately there are better programmers found in the google vision.

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                            Google can at times be too saturated with information and when you are searching for something kind of generic sifting through the results can at times make you wish for 'grep' in Google but only if you could get a bulk diluge of all 100 results on the page where a 'grep' would be more than summary. I've considered writing a shell script in Linux that would issue a Google query and then 'grep' inside the first 10 results and step to the next 10 if you didn't find any hits. I have to admit though I'm not a Google blackbelt at all. I can do very basic searches but I have no idea how to constrain results to narrower and narrower sets outside of quoting strings.


                            My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered process, husband to a murdered thread. And I will have my affinity, in this life or the next. - Gladiator. (Okay, not quite Gladiator but close.) I work to live. I do not live to work. My clients do not seem capable of grasping this fact. Ancient of days! august Athena! where, Where are thy men of might? - Lord Byron

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                            ".....writing a shell script in Linux that would issue a Google query and then 'grep' inside the first 10 results and step to the next 10 if you didn't find any hits." I thought "clever" and then I wondered how Google actually works. And then I realised that, if someone tells me, I might have to die in the process of finding out.

                            'All there really is, is: virute and vice' ...Black Crowes

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                              ".....writing a shell script in Linux that would issue a Google query and then 'grep' inside the first 10 results and step to the next 10 if you didn't find any hits." I thought "clever" and then I wondered how Google actually works. And then I realised that, if someone tells me, I might have to die in the process of finding out.

                              'All there really is, is: virute and vice' ...Black Crowes

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                              code frog 0
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                              I'm full of clever... it's 'productive' that tends to be my distraction from my true desire to be 'clever'. Too bad productivity has to get in the way of everything...:-D

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