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We've been a C++ shop since the beginning of time, but lately we find that almost all of the work we're doing right now involves some evil incarnation of Visual Baisc. None of us like coding in it, and we spend a good part of the day hurling insults at it. Our project manager chimes in with her usual harpie-like screech proclaiming "At least you have a job!". I hate her. In any case, one of our testers was crusing the web looking for something about VB, and she stumbled across this: http://www.visibleprogress.com/vb_coding_standards.htm[^] I thought some of you might enjoy it as much as we have.

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We've been a C++ shop since the beginning of time, but lately we find that almost all of the work we're doing right now involves some evil incarnation of Visual Baisc. None of us like coding in it, and we spend a good part of the day hurling insults at it. Our project manager chimes in with her usual harpie-like screech proclaiming "At least you have a job!". I hate her. In any case, one of our testers was crusing the web looking for something about VB, and she stumbled across this: http://www.visibleprogress.com/vb_coding_standards.htm[^] I thought some of you might enjoy it as much as we have.

"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Chris Losinger

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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

http://www.visibleprogress.com/vb\_coding\_standards.htm\[^\]

Avoid Nested Loops [0193] Medium (500) Nested loop statements can occasionally lead to unexpected performance bottle-necks when the number of iterations is not confined to known limits.

:laugh: :rolleyes:

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We've been a C++ shop since the beginning of time, but lately we find that almost all of the work we're doing right now involves some evil incarnation of Visual Baisc. None of us like coding in it, and we spend a good part of the day hurling insults at it. Our project manager chimes in with her usual harpie-like screech proclaiming "At least you have a job!". I hate her. In any case, one of our testers was crusing the web looking for something about VB, and she stumbled across this: http://www.visibleprogress.com/vb_coding_standards.htm[^] I thought some of you might enjoy it as much as we have.

"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Nish Nishant

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Wait till 2008 when VB-X (dynamic VB variant) is out. I am still not sure if it will be considered a part of VB.NET or if it will be considered a separate entity. There's not a lot of information on it out there.

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Wait till 2008 when VB-X (dynamic VB variant) is out. I am still not sure if it will be considered a part of VB.NET or if it will be considered a separate entity. There's not a lot of information on it out there.

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Douglas Troy

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So what are you saying Nish? It will dynamically suck, or suck dynamically? :-D

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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

http://www.visibleprogress.com/vb\_coding\_standards.htm\[^\]

Avoid Nested Loops [0193] Medium (500) Nested loop statements can occasionally lead to unexpected performance bottle-necks when the number of iterations is not confined to known limits.

:laugh: :rolleyes:

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realJSOP

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I think their first coding standard should have been: Avoid Coding In Visual Basic

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Wait till 2008 when VB-X (dynamic VB variant) is out. I am still not sure if it will be considered a part of VB.NET or if it will be considered a separate entity. There's not a lot of information on it out there.

Regards, Nish

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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link
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I don't understand this whole "dynamic VB" thing. Isn't VB dynamic already? Doesn't it perform method coupling at runtime, not "compile" time? Is this a change due to VB.Net? Has there been a progression like: VB6 - dynamic VB.NeT - not dynamic VB-X - dynamic Remember, I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice and later got thawed out by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic make me want to get out of my BMW.. and run off into the hills, or wherever.. Sometimes when I get a message on my fax machine, I wonder: "Did little demons get inside and type it?" I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts. But there is one thing I do know - when a language like VB has an X after it, then it has to be dynamic. Thank you[^]

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I don't understand this whole "dynamic VB" thing. Isn't VB dynamic already? Doesn't it perform method coupling at runtime, not "compile" time? Is this a change due to VB.Net? Has there been a progression like: VB6 - dynamic VB.NeT - not dynamic VB-X - dynamic Remember, I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice and later got thawed out by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic make me want to get out of my BMW.. and run off into the hills, or wherever.. Sometimes when I get a message on my fax machine, I wonder: "Did little demons get inside and type it?" I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts. But there is one thing I do know - when a language like VB has an X after it, then it has to be dynamic. Thank you[^]

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Nish Nishant

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From what little I understand, VBx (VB 10) will support the DLR (Dynamic Language Runtime) - just like other dynamic languages like Ruby. Currently VB.NET is not a dynamically typed language (VBers please correct me if I am wrong).

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From what little I understand, VBx (VB 10) will support the DLR (Dynamic Language Runtime) - just like other dynamic languages like Ruby. Currently VB.NET is not a dynamically typed language (VBers please correct me if I am wrong).

Regards, Nish

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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link
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You have to explain to them what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?"

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You have to explain to them what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?"

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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

You have to explain to them what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?"

Cruel! :laugh:

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You have to explain to them what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?"

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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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:laugh::laugh::laugh:

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We've been a C++ shop since the beginning of time, but lately we find that almost all of the work we're doing right now involves some evil incarnation of Visual Baisc. None of us like coding in it, and we spend a good part of the day hurling insults at it. Our project manager chimes in with her usual harpie-like screech proclaiming "At least you have a job!". I hate her. In any case, one of our testers was crusing the web looking for something about VB, and she stumbled across this: http://www.visibleprogress.com/vb_coding_standards.htm[^] I thought some of you might enjoy it as much as we have.

"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

Our project manager chimes in with her usual harpie-like screech proclaiming "At least you have a job!". I hate her.

I would hate her also. I'd also quit. :) I was in a similar situation a few years ago and after 7 months of working on projects I hated I couldn't stick around anymore. Good luck.

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Wait till 2008 when VB-X (dynamic VB variant) is out. I am still not sure if it will be considered a part of VB.NET or if it will be considered a separate entity. There's not a lot of information on it out there.

Regards, Nish

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:~

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I don't understand this whole "dynamic VB" thing. Isn't VB dynamic already? Doesn't it perform method coupling at runtime, not "compile" time? Is this a change due to VB.Net? Has there been a progression like: VB6 - dynamic VB.NeT - not dynamic VB-X - dynamic Remember, I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice and later got thawed out by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic make me want to get out of my BMW.. and run off into the hills, or wherever.. Sometimes when I get a message on my fax machine, I wonder: "Did little demons get inside and type it?" I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts. But there is one thing I do know - when a language like VB has an X after it, then it has to be dynamic. Thank you[^]

¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
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Yes... it is easy, they have discovered a better way to make a bad product and they know that the developers will have the dynamic habit of start running once VB is said... so in fact is more dynamic. :rolleyes: VB... I don't understand why it is still here and being used... Even I've never worked on C# I cannot understand why VB is still here, I cannot understand how it is not abandoned... I remember when some years ago I worked in VB and it was horrible... X|
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

http://www.visibleprogress.com/vb\_coding\_standards.htm\[^\]

Avoid Nested Loops [0193] Medium (500) Nested loop statements can occasionally lead to unexpected performance bottle-necks when the number of iterations is not confined to known limits.

:laugh: :rolleyes:

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Chris Losinger wrote:

Avoid Nested Loops [0193] Medium (500)

Maybe we should avoid loops altogether.
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We've been a C++ shop since the beginning of time, but lately we find that almost all of the work we're doing right now involves some evil incarnation of Visual Baisc. None of us like coding in it, and we spend a good part of the day hurling insults at it. Our project manager chimes in with her usual harpie-like screech proclaiming "At least you have a job!". I hate her. In any case, one of our testers was crusing the web looking for something about VB, and she stumbled across this: http://www.visibleprogress.com/vb_coding_standards.htm[^] I thought some of you might enjoy it as much as we have.

"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
-----
"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

evil incarnation of Visual Baisc.

It takes time, but you will be assimilated. :) When you start looking at how easy and quickly business apps can be written with it, you might actually start liking it, a little. The syntax? Yep, it sucks. But the IDE practically fills in (and indents) all that wonderful verbosity for you, so you don't feel the pain.

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We've been a C++ shop since the beginning of time, but lately we find that almost all of the work we're doing right now involves some evil incarnation of Visual Baisc. None of us like coding in it, and we spend a good part of the day hurling insults at it. Our project manager chimes in with her usual harpie-like screech proclaiming "At least you have a job!". I hate her. In any case, one of our testers was crusing the web looking for something about VB, and she stumbled across this: http://www.visibleprogress.com/vb_coding_standards.htm[^] I thought some of you might enjoy it as much as we have.

"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

lately we find that almost all of the work we're doing right now involves some evil incarnation of Visual Baisc.

Prior to .NET I noticed a trend away from C++ and towards VB, especially for GUI and database work. But it's surprising that this is happening now at your place. Not transitioning to .NET? Or do you mean VB .NET? I know you hate .NET, so I suppose you'd moan if it was C# too.

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From what little I understand, VBx (VB 10) will support the DLR (Dynamic Language Runtime) - just like other dynamic languages like Ruby. Currently VB.NET is not a dynamically typed language (VBers please correct me if I am wrong).

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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

Currently VB.NET is not a dynamically typed language

Sure it is. Just set Option Strict and Option Explicit to OFF and enjoy the benefits of data type that magically adapt to the context they are used in, even at the expense of loss of precision or meaning. So we are moving from the Common Language Runtime To the Damaged Language Runtime to support a return to bugs inherent in runtime type definition. Great.
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From what little I understand, VBx (VB 10) will support the DLR (Dynamic Language Runtime) - just like other dynamic languages like Ruby. Currently VB.NET is not a dynamically typed language (VBers please correct me if I am wrong).

Regards, Nish

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Does this mean that my VB program will be able to build a string that describes VB procedure and then run it (passing in params somehow)? And that my procedure will be able to find itself and change itself while it is running? Or is that too much to ask.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

You have to explain to them what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?"

Cruel! :laugh:

Regards, Nish

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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link
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Cruel, but TRUE!

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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

evil incarnation of Visual Baisc.

It takes time, but you will be assimilated. :) When you start looking at how easy and quickly business apps can be written with it, you might actually start liking it, a little. The syntax? Yep, it sucks. But the IDE practically fills in (and indents) all that wonderful verbosity for you, so you don't feel the pain.

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Al Beback wrote:

you don't feel the pain.

[Note:] I am assuming VB 1 - 6 Until you try to do something silly like gasp interact with the operating system or use threads.

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