Just once I'd like to see a movie...
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...in the theater without having to scold someone for their behavior. Tonight we went to Spiderman 3. Behind us sat a group of of Mexican immigrants and one had her BABY in her lap. I'm guessing less than 2 years old. He couldn't keep quiet and she left for a bit with him. They came back and gave the kid a large ring of keys to enthrall him. Problem is that said keys were very loud and annoying. So I turned around and said, "Please either get your child to quit making noise or take him outside." Then her macho boyfriend/husband moves out of his seat and tells ME that "If you don't like it you can leave." My husband just about exploded. We went and got a manager and they handled us very professionally. But I loved going back into the theater with the manager and pointing to the group and said, "There they are." I'm not sure what happened next because we left. Since moving to this area my view of Mexican immigrants is very sour, and this just solidifies my negative opinion of them. We had another incident in another theater awhile ago with a guy who would not turn off his cell phone. I left the theater to get someone, he followed me out, said he turned it off and said some nasty words before going back in. I didn't tell my husband until we left because I knew it would not be pretty. Anyhow, it seems like here no one has respect for others in the movie theaters and treat the place like their own living room. I think we're just going to rent from now on.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
leckey wrote:
it seems like here no one has respect for others in the movie theaters and treat the place like their own living room. I think we're just going to rent from now on.
I find that true for many things, not just movie theatres, and not just limited to Mexicans, but including many people of many nationalities as well. Unconscious, stupid behavior is not a national gene. It appears to be a human gene. I've had many positive experiences with Mexican immigrants, legal or not. I've found them to be more polite and more honest than many Americans. I guess it's just the luck of the draw. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
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...in the theater without having to scold someone for their behavior. Tonight we went to Spiderman 3. Behind us sat a group of of Mexican immigrants and one had her BABY in her lap. I'm guessing less than 2 years old. He couldn't keep quiet and she left for a bit with him. They came back and gave the kid a large ring of keys to enthrall him. Problem is that said keys were very loud and annoying. So I turned around and said, "Please either get your child to quit making noise or take him outside." Then her macho boyfriend/husband moves out of his seat and tells ME that "If you don't like it you can leave." My husband just about exploded. We went and got a manager and they handled us very professionally. But I loved going back into the theater with the manager and pointing to the group and said, "There they are." I'm not sure what happened next because we left. Since moving to this area my view of Mexican immigrants is very sour, and this just solidifies my negative opinion of them. We had another incident in another theater awhile ago with a guy who would not turn off his cell phone. I left the theater to get someone, he followed me out, said he turned it off and said some nasty words before going back in. I didn't tell my husband until we left because I knew it would not be pretty. Anyhow, it seems like here no one has respect for others in the movie theaters and treat the place like their own living room. I think we're just going to rent from now on.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
I think that courtesy, consideration and other such things that were once staples of the American way of life are now considered corny and outdated, replaced by a new sense of entitlement where people feel like they can behave however they like and not be accountable for their actions. I for one would like to do what I can to promote the idea that living to a higher standard is not only a worthwhile pursuit, but one that also brings personal benefits. In fact, it's what the new book I'm working on is about as well as a lecture CD that I'm about to release. To say the least, I think we should be able to go to the movies without suffering the inconsideration of others. :-D
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
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leckey wrote:
a group of of Mexican immigrants
And just for being Mexican immigrants they can't behave on a movie theather? maybe it's me who is wrong, because I always put my cell phone in silence mode and try not to talk, showing respect to other people. :omg: Come on, you could as well have left that part out, because that not only applies to Mexican immigrants. I've been in cinemas quite a few times in the US and I can assure you that I've seen American people behaving way worse than what you just described.
leckey wrote:
my view of Mexican immigrants is very sour, and this just solidifies my negative opinion of them.
Ooops!! we are getting dangerously close to soapbox material!! :suss:
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog!
Frankly,since moving here I don't think they can control their kids anywhere. I see mexican kids running around at Wal-Mart, and a co-worker complains how their kids run around the church during mass. Yes, there are Americans who can be just as annoying, but I personally think it was the 'Mexican bravado' of the guy that made him say such a statement to me. If this gets moved to the SB I really don't care. I DO care about immigrants straining American resources and then having the gall to tell me basically to shut up.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
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Sounds like you need to find better theaters... Frankly, the only one around here i'll bother going to is the drive-in. Not that it's quiet - you get whole families, with the kids that aren't interested in the movie running around playing tag in the dark. But, you can sit in your own car, with maybe a cooler of cold beverages within easy reach, and your stereo cranked up as loud as you like it. :cool:
leckey wrote:
Since moving to this area my view of Mexican immigrants is very sour, and this just solidifies my negative opinion of them.
*snicker* There are a few immigrants in this area, but it tends to be the long-time residents that cause the most trouble. Except when it comes to drugs.
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leckey wrote:
it seems like here no one has respect for others in the movie theaters and treat the place like their own living room. I think we're just going to rent from now on.
I find that true for many things, not just movie theatres, and not just limited to Mexicans, but including many people of many nationalities as well. Unconscious, stupid behavior is not a national gene. It appears to be a human gene. I've had many positive experiences with Mexican immigrants, legal or not. I've found them to be more polite and more honest than many Americans. I guess it's just the luck of the draw. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Frankly,since moving here I don't think they can control their kids anywhere. I see mexican kids running around at Wal-Mart, and a co-worker complains how their kids run around the church during mass. Yes, there are Americans who can be just as annoying, but I personally think it was the 'Mexican bravado' of the guy that made him say such a statement to me. If this gets moved to the SB I really don't care. I DO care about immigrants straining American resources and then having the gall to tell me basically to shut up.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
It's worth noting that in America, everyone here is from somewhere else. ;)
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
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I think that courtesy, consideration and other such things that were once staples of the American way of life are now considered corny and outdated, replaced by a new sense of entitlement where people feel like they can behave however they like and not be accountable for their actions. I for one would like to do what I can to promote the idea that living to a higher standard is not only a worthwhile pursuit, but one that also brings personal benefits. In fact, it's what the new book I'm working on is about as well as a lecture CD that I'm about to release. To say the least, I think we should be able to go to the movies without suffering the inconsideration of others. :-D
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
Growing up in South Dakota, which is behind the times in many ways, I found that many native South Dakota'ns are very much concerned with consideration and making your neighbors feel welcomed. Where I used to live we had the occasional stupid person (one with a laser pen for example) at the movie theater, but always after one request the person stopped the action. I just can't believe how here people think they are entitled to do whatever they feel like without the consideration of others.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
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It's worth noting that in America, everyone here is from somewhere else. ;)
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
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We don't have a drive-in here that I know of. I did have one immigrant help load some top soil into my trunk a few weeks ago. However, I find most of their behavior inexplicable and rude.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
Have a look around for smaller or second-run theaters. I've often found them to be much more comfortable and relaxing - probably because they tend to serve beer. A pitcher into the movie, and nothing really bothers me.
leckey wrote:
However, I find most of their behavior inexplicable and rude.
Well, it's like Duncan said - some people are just jerks. ...Especially women. Last time i was in a regular theater, i'd just gotten comfortable and into the film, and this woman turned around and started complaining at me. Something about my feet, which were propped up on the seat in front of me and causing me no trouble at all. Anyway, it totally broke my focus on the movie. Some people, just no consideration of others... :->
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It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.
--Raymond Chen on MSDN
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Frankly,since moving here I don't think they can control their kids anywhere. I see mexican kids running around at Wal-Mart, and a co-worker complains how their kids run around the church during mass. Yes, there are Americans who can be just as annoying, but I personally think it was the 'Mexican bravado' of the guy that made him say such a statement to me. If this gets moved to the SB I really don't care. I DO care about immigrants straining American resources and then having the gall to tell me basically to shut up.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
leckey wrote:
I don't think they can control their kids anywhere
Two-year old kids are usually dificult to control at any place where they must be quiet (cinema, church), that is not just for Mexicans.
leckey wrote:
it was the 'Mexican bravado' of the guy that made him say such a statement to me
I don't think it comes from being Mexican. I am also, and in that situation, if you told me something about my kid being quiet, I would be terribly ashamed and my reply would have been "I am real sorry, it won't happen again." And if it kept happening I would have left with my kid. That politeness (or rudeness) does not come with the nationality, but from the education you get at home.
leckey wrote:
I DO care about immigrants straining American resources and then having the gall to tell me basically to shut up
Without wanting to start a debate here, how do you know they were illegal? If they are not, they have basically the same rights to American resources as you do. My conclusion here, them being rude on you comes from their own personality and education, and in no way is related to being Mexican. Whether you agree or not with immigration is another thing, but you cannot dislike Mexicans because one was rude to you.
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog!
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Frankly,since moving here I don't think they can control their kids anywhere. I see mexican kids running around at Wal-Mart, and a co-worker complains how their kids run around the church during mass. Yes, there are Americans who can be just as annoying, but I personally think it was the 'Mexican bravado' of the guy that made him say such a statement to me. If this gets moved to the SB I really don't care. I DO care about immigrants straining American resources and then having the gall to tell me basically to shut up.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
Just so you know, many Mexicans are just as prejudiced as you are. I know, I have Mexican family members who come from the upper class. They say very hateful things about poor Mexicans and treat them horribly when they are forced to deal with them. That being said, I worked my way up from poverty on construction crews while learning how to code in my own time. I would trade the work ethic of most privileged people I work with now for the ethic of those poor Mexicans I came up with. As for telling you to shut up... Isn't that what you were doing to them? Different understandings of acceptable behavior breed situations like this. I guarantee you they weren't doing it just to make you mad. It probably didn't cross their minds that you cared. But there are plenty of better sites for you to post this message on. Google neo-con and you will be off and running. Regards.
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My only positive experience is a few weeks ago when a Mexican immigrant helped me to load top soil bags into the trunk of my car. In this area, they are incredibily far from polite.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
So that makes two nice Mexicans in the world (I am the other :-D)
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog!
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I couldn't agree more. One of the things I don't miss about living in Texas is the fact that in general practice there, the word Mexican is not a statement of nationality but rather a racial slur equal in every way to one that I refuse to use ragarding people of African ancestry. Because of my years growing up in that environment, to this day I still can't use the word Mexican without feeling like I've just uttered an insult. To be sure, there are cultural differences in every part of the planet. I believe the key to better interaction begins with understanding what an action means in the context of that person's culture rather than the way you perceive it in your own. A great many conflicts could be avoided were this common practice, as people would realize that no offense was intended, and therefore none would be taken. That said, this is Earth, and the simple fact of the matter is that some people are just jerks and have no desire to be otherwise, as in the case of the movie patrons. It doesn't matter what their culture is. Some folks just don't know how to act. However, I think it's important to understand that this is an individual distinction, not a group one. To overlook that distinction lessens us all.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
Christopher Duncan wrote:
I think it's important to understand that this is an individual distinction, not a group one. To overlook that distinction lessens us all.
And that was exactly my point. I understood her post basically as "because of those Mexicans in the theather, all Mexicans are like that and I hate them even more." I am the first to accept that there are inconsiderate Mexicans (but also Americans, French....) but just because of a couple doesn't make all of them like that.
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog!
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Uh, actually I am part Native American (Iriquois) so....nah nah nah nah! :-D
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
Excellent! I was hoping that someone would make this point. :) America is a collection of continents, but of course what most people mean by American is "United States of American." With that in mind, I'll say something that I know goes against current politically correct terminolgies. There's no such thing as a Native American. Native American is a relatively newly contrived term, used solely to consolidate a group of people and derive political power from the grouping. The people who lived here and were ultimately conquered by European invaders were absolutely, positively not the first "United States of Americans" and hence aren't "Native Americans." In fact, not only were they not the first Americans, they wanted nothing to do with America other than us getting the heck off of their land. Consequently, I object to the term Native American for a couple of reasons. First, it implies that they were co-founders of the very nation that screwed them, which just doesn't make any sense. Secondly, it robs them of their true national identity. To lump all "Native Americans" together is an insult and a racial slur no different than the incorrectly assumed "Indian." These people are not Native American. They are Cherokee, Apache, Comanche and decendants of many other of the countless great nations who once occupied this land. Including the Iriquois nation. :) Today, with the exception of those who choose to live on the sovereign lands of reservations, they are first and foremost American citizens, and like all other Americans, they ultimately are from somewhere else. My ancestors were from European nations. Your ancestors were from the Iriquois nation. So, like I said, everyone here is from somewhere else. :-D
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
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Uh, actually I am part Native American (Iriquois) so....nah nah nah nah! :-D
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
leckey wrote:
actually I am part Native American
so are many people.... Cherokee and Sioux here, but only in the negligible percentages. The point was that it is behavior, not nationality. Locals here have issues as well, I used to go to the movies so often it was pretty clear that no one nationality was to blame.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Just so you know, many Mexicans are just as prejudiced as you are. I know, I have Mexican family members who come from the upper class. They say very hateful things about poor Mexicans and treat them horribly when they are forced to deal with them. That being said, I worked my way up from poverty on construction crews while learning how to code in my own time. I would trade the work ethic of most privileged people I work with now for the ethic of those poor Mexicans I came up with. As for telling you to shut up... Isn't that what you were doing to them? Different understandings of acceptable behavior breed situations like this. I guarantee you they weren't doing it just to make you mad. It probably didn't cross their minds that you cared. But there are plenty of better sites for you to post this message on. Google neo-con and you will be off and running. Regards.
ushering wrote:
I would trade the work ethic of most privileged people I work with now for the ethic of those poor Mexicans I came up with.
So true. I bet most Mexicans immigrants are very hard-working, because they have made many sacrifices (leaving their family behind for example) to go to the US in search of a better life. Being poor doesn't make them less as persons, and doesn't mean they have no education or are impolite. The people leckey saw on the movie theather are just an exception rather than the rule.
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog!
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Growing up in South Dakota, which is behind the times in many ways, I found that many native South Dakota'ns are very much concerned with consideration and making your neighbors feel welcomed. Where I used to live we had the occasional stupid person (one with a laser pen for example) at the movie theater, but always after one request the person stopped the action. I just can't believe how here people think they are entitled to do whatever they feel like without the consideration of others.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
I was a little concerned about your earlier posts because of the blanket racial statements, but your comments about native South Dakota residents is reassuring about your acceptance of non-white people. I too have had many positive interactions with Native Americans, and I am glad the Natives of South Dakota provided you with positive social interactions. Regards.
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So that makes two nice Mexicans in the world (I am the other :-D)
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog!
That's only because you're from Chihuahua. And as we all know, anything having to do with Chihuahuas (whether geographic or canine) is, by definition, inherently cool. :-D
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
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Uh, actually I am part Native American (Iriquois) so....nah nah nah nah! :-D
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
And by the way, since my ancestors screwed your ancestors (not to mention the fact that "Indians" have suffered as many racial slurs as Africans and Mexicans), I figure I've got the "nah nah nah nah" coming, and offer you a 5 in return. :-D
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
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Excellent! I was hoping that someone would make this point. :) America is a collection of continents, but of course what most people mean by American is "United States of American." With that in mind, I'll say something that I know goes against current politically correct terminolgies. There's no such thing as a Native American. Native American is a relatively newly contrived term, used solely to consolidate a group of people and derive political power from the grouping. The people who lived here and were ultimately conquered by European invaders were absolutely, positively not the first "United States of Americans" and hence aren't "Native Americans." In fact, not only were they not the first Americans, they wanted nothing to do with America other than us getting the heck off of their land. Consequently, I object to the term Native American for a couple of reasons. First, it implies that they were co-founders of the very nation that screwed them, which just doesn't make any sense. Secondly, it robs them of their true national identity. To lump all "Native Americans" together is an insult and a racial slur no different than the incorrectly assumed "Indian." These people are not Native American. They are Cherokee, Apache, Comanche and decendants of many other of the countless great nations who once occupied this land. Including the Iriquois nation. :) Today, with the exception of those who choose to live on the sovereign lands of reservations, they are first and foremost American citizens, and like all other Americans, they ultimately are from somewhere else. My ancestors were from European nations. Your ancestors were from the Iriquois nation. So, like I said, everyone here is from somewhere else. :-D
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
Christopher Duncan wrote:
These people are not Native American.
Very true, in fact you even have to watch the tribal references. Most tribal names stem from the names that another tribe called them, but that tribe talked to "Americans" first. So instead of what they call themselves, they are often called something else. The local example is probably Navajo, who call themselves the Diné. Navajo is actually the name given from the Tewa Pueblo Peoples. Depending on who you ask, and what mood they are in they will tell you means theives (takers of the fields), or idiots (farmers of washes/arroyos). Navajo by any meaning was meant and used as an insult by the Pueblo peoples. Most Nations names for themselves are simply "the people". When referring collectively to the many nations, they prefer just that "the Nations". Thus, the Gathering of Nations being an annual event.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)