Amusing OSS response
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And people wonder why so many OSS projects falter. Our good buddy at XKCD[^] has a brief story about this:
Why can't I read the whole comic mouseover text in Firefox?
They can be read with extensions like Long Titles. This is a
bug in Firefox, Mozilla Bug #45375. It has been outstanding
for many years now. Both Ryan North (Dinosaur Comics) and I
have contacted the developers to let them know how many of our
readers it affects and to see if there's anything we can do to
help with a fix (offering money or programmers). They repeatedly
told us to go away and/or shut up, with some developers saying
they'd withold a fix because we were complaining. I've of
course learned to be way more cautious about offering to help
out with an open-source project.Damn, that's just completely unacceptable. Of course, there may be more to it than this, but I doubt, as I have heard a number of similar stories about other projects as well.
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And people wonder why so many OSS projects falter. Our good buddy at XKCD[^] has a brief story about this:
Why can't I read the whole comic mouseover text in Firefox?
They can be read with extensions like Long Titles. This is a
bug in Firefox, Mozilla Bug #45375. It has been outstanding
for many years now. Both Ryan North (Dinosaur Comics) and I
have contacted the developers to let them know how many of our
readers it affects and to see if there's anything we can do to
help with a fix (offering money or programmers). They repeatedly
told us to go away and/or shut up, with some developers saying
they'd withold a fix because we were complaining. I've of
course learned to be way more cautious about offering to help
out with an open-source project.Damn, that's just completely unacceptable. Of course, there may be more to it than this, but I doubt, as I have heard a number of similar stories about other projects as well.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
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And people wonder why so many OSS projects falter. Our good buddy at XKCD[^] has a brief story about this:
Why can't I read the whole comic mouseover text in Firefox?
They can be read with extensions like Long Titles. This is a
bug in Firefox, Mozilla Bug #45375. It has been outstanding
for many years now. Both Ryan North (Dinosaur Comics) and I
have contacted the developers to let them know how many of our
readers it affects and to see if there's anything we can do to
help with a fix (offering money or programmers). They repeatedly
told us to go away and/or shut up, with some developers saying
they'd withold a fix because we were complaining. I've of
course learned to be way more cautious about offering to help
out with an open-source project.Damn, that's just completely unacceptable. Of course, there may be more to it than this, but I doubt, as I have heard a number of similar stories about other projects as well.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
Um, just to have a simple tooltip bug outstanding for that length of time is disappointing IMO. I guess it is the failing that no-one wanted to fix it... :|
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And people wonder why so many OSS projects falter. Our good buddy at XKCD[^] has a brief story about this:
Why can't I read the whole comic mouseover text in Firefox?
They can be read with extensions like Long Titles. This is a
bug in Firefox, Mozilla Bug #45375. It has been outstanding
for many years now. Both Ryan North (Dinosaur Comics) and I
have contacted the developers to let them know how many of our
readers it affects and to see if there's anything we can do to
help with a fix (offering money or programmers). They repeatedly
told us to go away and/or shut up, with some developers saying
they'd withold a fix because we were complaining. I've of
course learned to be way more cautious about offering to help
out with an open-source project.Damn, that's just completely unacceptable. Of course, there may be more to it than this, but I doubt, as I have heard a number of similar stories about other projects as well.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
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And people wonder why so many OSS projects falter. Our good buddy at XKCD[^] has a brief story about this:
Why can't I read the whole comic mouseover text in Firefox?
They can be read with extensions like Long Titles. This is a
bug in Firefox, Mozilla Bug #45375. It has been outstanding
for many years now. Both Ryan North (Dinosaur Comics) and I
have contacted the developers to let them know how many of our
readers it affects and to see if there's anything we can do to
help with a fix (offering money or programmers). They repeatedly
told us to go away and/or shut up, with some developers saying
they'd withold a fix because we were complaining. I've of
course learned to be way more cautious about offering to help
out with an open-source project.Damn, that's just completely unacceptable. Of course, there may be more to it than this, but I doubt, as I have heard a number of similar stories about other projects as well.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
Errr.. are those developer aiming to participate in some silly tv-show like Big Brother? Someone should stop paying them salaries! Oh wait... :sigh: [edit]Spelling mistakes.. :sigh:[/edit]
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Errr.. are those developer aiming to participate in some silly tv-show like Big Brother? Someone should stop paying them salaries! Oh wait... :sigh: [edit]Spelling mistakes.. :sigh:[/edit]
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Well if someone had any backbone at mozilla they could always revoke their cvs/svn privileges and bug tracker rights. At least that would be something.
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And people wonder why so many OSS projects falter. Our good buddy at XKCD[^] has a brief story about this:
Why can't I read the whole comic mouseover text in Firefox?
They can be read with extensions like Long Titles. This is a
bug in Firefox, Mozilla Bug #45375. It has been outstanding
for many years now. Both Ryan North (Dinosaur Comics) and I
have contacted the developers to let them know how many of our
readers it affects and to see if there's anything we can do to
help with a fix (offering money or programmers). They repeatedly
told us to go away and/or shut up, with some developers saying
they'd withold a fix because we were complaining. I've of
course learned to be way more cautious about offering to help
out with an open-source project.Damn, that's just completely unacceptable. Of course, there may be more to it than this, but I doubt, as I have heard a number of similar stories about other projects as well.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
While not customer centric, this OSS developer attitude is logical. People who have longstanding issues are supposed to contribute in some way to fixing the problem. It is improper to continue hounding the core development team. The users concerned about this bug should have utilized the community to find an answer to their problem. Failing there they should have realized that the issue is not high on people's priority lists and tackled the issue themselves. Most OSS projects are not designed to compete on service. Considering the relative youth of most OSS projects it is actually beneficial to have people digging around in the guts of their programs trying to work out the kinks. I still code using MS products targeting MS platforms, but the excitement for me is in working with the ultra malleable (and yes, buggy) fringes of OSS development. Mainstream adoption of most (non-server related) OSS technology is years in the future and rightfully so... Right now the community is a developers playground. Regards.
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While not customer centric, this OSS developer attitude is logical. People who have longstanding issues are supposed to contribute in some way to fixing the problem. It is improper to continue hounding the core development team. The users concerned about this bug should have utilized the community to find an answer to their problem. Failing there they should have realized that the issue is not high on people's priority lists and tackled the issue themselves. Most OSS projects are not designed to compete on service. Considering the relative youth of most OSS projects it is actually beneficial to have people digging around in the guts of their programs trying to work out the kinks. I still code using MS products targeting MS platforms, but the excitement for me is in working with the ultra malleable (and yes, buggy) fringes of OSS development. Mainstream adoption of most (non-server related) OSS technology is years in the future and rightfully so... Right now the community is a developers playground. Regards.
ushering wrote:
While not customer centric, this OSS developer attitude is logical.
Bullshit. It's just being rude, period.
ushering wrote:
People who have longstanding issues are supposed to contribute in some way to fixing the problem.
If a user submits a bug, the user can hardly be expected to fix the C++ source code. How many people out there even know how to program C++, much less dig into the complete mess that is the mozilla source tree. Give me a break!
ushering wrote:
It is improper to continue hounding the core development team.
Why do you *assume* that the person was "hounding" the developers? I would hazard a guess that only a few emails were exchanged.
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ushering wrote:
While not customer centric, this OSS developer attitude is logical.
Bullshit. It's just being rude, period.
ushering wrote:
People who have longstanding issues are supposed to contribute in some way to fixing the problem.
If a user submits a bug, the user can hardly be expected to fix the C++ source code. How many people out there even know how to program C++, much less dig into the complete mess that is the mozilla source tree. Give me a break!
ushering wrote:
It is improper to continue hounding the core development team.
Why do you *assume* that the person was "hounding" the developers? I would hazard a guess that only a few emails were exchanged.
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I agree that it is rude, but I don't think the developers are out of line. One of the main reasons I am not heavily vested in OSS is that the culture around the products leaves much to be desired. There are plenty of examples of truly out of line behavior (google openBSD + Theo to get started), but this is not one of them. It is just an example of dealing with an immature community and recieving immature responses. OSS movements simply have a lot of growing up to do. Rude, yes. Logical, yes. My comment is not B.S., but I respect your right to differ. Regards. P.S. I respect and use Microsoft products. I see good things coming of the competition between the MS business model and the OSS movements when it finally develops.
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And people wonder why so many OSS projects falter. Our good buddy at XKCD[^] has a brief story about this:
Why can't I read the whole comic mouseover text in Firefox?
They can be read with extensions like Long Titles. This is a
bug in Firefox, Mozilla Bug #45375. It has been outstanding
for many years now. Both Ryan North (Dinosaur Comics) and I
have contacted the developers to let them know how many of our
readers it affects and to see if there's anything we can do to
help with a fix (offering money or programmers). They repeatedly
told us to go away and/or shut up, with some developers saying
they'd withold a fix because we were complaining. I've of
course learned to be way more cautious about offering to help
out with an open-source project.Damn, that's just completely unacceptable. Of course, there may be more to it than this, but I doubt, as I have heard a number of similar stories about other projects as well.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
I've browsed through that case. Nothing unusual, if you let devs do customer support. (He offered to send money of recruit manpower, and got brushed off. Sheesh.)
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I agree that it is rude, but I don't think the developers are out of line. One of the main reasons I am not heavily vested in OSS is that the culture around the products leaves much to be desired. There are plenty of examples of truly out of line behavior (google openBSD + Theo to get started), but this is not one of them. It is just an example of dealing with an immature community and recieving immature responses. OSS movements simply have a lot of growing up to do. Rude, yes. Logical, yes. My comment is not B.S., but I respect your right to differ. Regards. P.S. I respect and use Microsoft products. I see good things coming of the competition between the MS business model and the OSS movements when it finally develops.
Considering all the politics around the bug ("it's them / bug Y has to be fixed first / depends on / this is not a bug") and that it's apparently a side effect of an XML-based rendering engine, I find the expectation of an outsider walking in, doing the job, and the patch being accepted highly illogical.
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