Vista's File Deletion/Copying Problem
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Thats another thing I don't like about Vista. Its loaded with DRM crap that just complicates and slows things down. It would be neat to have a good clean high performance version of Windows newer than XP. I guess if I keep dreaming it might come true. :sigh:
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Thats another thing I don't like about Vista. Its loaded with DRM crap that just complicates and slows things down. It would be neat to have a good clean high performance version of Windows newer than XP. I guess if I keep dreaming it might come true. :sigh:
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What's driving the DRM stuff? Is it Microsoft itself or the entertainment industry?
Kevin
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What's driving the DRM stuff? Is it Microsoft itself or the entertainment industry?
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
What's driving the DRM stuff? Is it Microsoft itself or the entertainment industry?
The entertainment industry. If Microsoft "legally" wants to create software that can play HD-DVD's or BluRay then they have to bake in DRM. The hardware vendors have to do the same. What really burns me about the whole thing is that you have to buy a whole new monitor that supports the encrypted information. If you just bought a brand new high quality 30inch wide screen monitor without HDMI or HDPC or whatever its called then you cannot play high definition hollywood movies until you purchase a new monitor. I do not want computers to be like this. I would really like for all my hardware and software to be without DRM so I can **** hollywood and have a good solid computer system clean of evil.
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What's driving the DRM stuff? Is it Microsoft itself or the entertainment industry?
Kevin
Both. The "entertainment industry" is still kinda stuck believing their own BS on DRM, and MS is hoping that if they provide a more DRM-friendly platform than Apple their competitors, they'll get preferential treatment... or at least, fat license payments from those who do. It's all just kinda sad.
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
What's driving the DRM stuff? Is it Microsoft itself or the entertainment industry?
The entertainment industry. If Microsoft "legally" wants to create software that can play HD-DVD's or BluRay then they have to bake in DRM. The hardware vendors have to do the same. What really burns me about the whole thing is that you have to buy a whole new monitor that supports the encrypted information. If you just bought a brand new high quality 30inch wide screen monitor without HDMI or HDPC or whatever its called then you cannot play high definition hollywood movies until you purchase a new monitor. I do not want computers to be like this. I would really like for all my hardware and software to be without DRM so I can **** hollywood and have a good solid computer system clean of evil.
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So does the Mac (and Linux) have the same stuff? If not why not? Someone really needs to come up with an innovative solution to DRM that's both consumer friendly and industry friendly.
Kevin
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My favorite comment from that article (emphasis mine): Most, if not all, problems with Linux are caused by the end users themselves for not properly understanding what they are doing. Some people above are complaining about wifi cards and ndiswrapper not working just because they lack the intelligence to comprehend simple ndiswrapper tutorials. Chances are their wifi cards are natively supported in the kernel and they just have no experience in configuring and compiling the kernel. And that is the exact reason that Linux will never take over the desktop market and Vista, with all its flaws, will. I'm a professional software engineer and even I have no interest whatsoever in "compiling the kernel" to get stuff to work - good luck giving that stuff away to the average user, because you sure aren't going to sell many! "Compile the kernel"... hoo hahahaha! Oh stop, my sides hurt! :rolleyes:
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My favorite comment from that article (emphasis mine): Most, if not all, problems with Linux are caused by the end users themselves for not properly understanding what they are doing. Some people above are complaining about wifi cards and ndiswrapper not working just because they lack the intelligence to comprehend simple ndiswrapper tutorials. Chances are their wifi cards are natively supported in the kernel and they just have no experience in configuring and compiling the kernel. And that is the exact reason that Linux will never take over the desktop market and Vista, with all its flaws, will. I'm a professional software engineer and even I have no interest whatsoever in "compiling the kernel" to get stuff to work - good luck giving that stuff away to the average user, because you sure aren't going to sell many! "Compile the kernel"... hoo hahahaha! Oh stop, my sides hurt! :rolleyes:
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Yep... In the pre-Linux days a friend of mine used to say of Unix, not that "it's not user friendly" but that "it's user hostile." :)
Kevin
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What's driving the DRM stuff? Is it Microsoft itself or the entertainment industry?
Kevin
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So does the Mac (and Linux) have the same stuff? If not why not? Someone really needs to come up with an innovative solution to DRM that's both consumer friendly and industry friendly.
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
So does the Mac
Yes.
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
and Linux
Ad far as I know, it does not. Not like Windows or Mac anyways.
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
If not why not?
Linux is not a multimedia operating system. Also it is open source and it could just be modified or removed and hollywood would s**t their pants.
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Someone really needs to come up with an innovative solution to DRM that's both consumer friendly and industry friendly.
Forget DRM. We need to figure out a new payment model for the artists and movie creators. I don't think a artist needs to be paid for every duplicate mp3 created. Think about the replicators on Star Trek TNG. When the captain orders his Earl Gray should the people who programed the tea in the replicator get paid every time the tea is replicated, or should they be paid once for their services?
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So does the Mac (and Linux) have the same stuff? If not why not? Someone really needs to come up with an innovative solution to DRM that's both consumer friendly and industry friendly.
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Someone really needs to come up with an innovative solution to DRM that's both consumer friendly and industry friendly.
Contradiction. Right now, the single most consumer-friendly medium for distribution is an MP3 download - they're small, they play on almost anything, and you can back them up and restore them without worrying about separate keys or subscription expiration. The single most consumer-friendly storage format is the lowly compact disc. They're easy to carry, easy to copy, fairly durable, readable and playable on all major platforms, and easy to convert to MP3 for the advantages that that format brings. Between these two formats, the rights of the consumer are extremely well managed. The problem, from the music industry's viewpoint, is that they also allow for "rights" that consumers don't have - unlimited duplication, for instance. The bigger problem (although they are a bit more reluctant to come right out and admit it) is that they do nothing to abridge those rights that they wish the consumer didn't have: conversion between formats (no revenue selling you what you've already paid for), backups (no revenue selling you what you lost). The latter is one of the big reasons why the most common storage format for digital video (DVD) is so much more troublesome than the CD was for music - they've tried to lock-down everything, from the ability to produce duplicates to the ability to forward past ads and notifications. Note that this all has very little to do with piracy, which is, has been, and likely always will be rampant. The large-scale pirates just press exact copies of entire discs, side-stepping any simple software-based protection. The small-scale pirates use any number of techniques to work around or strip out the software protection, confident in the knowledge that the people they're giving or selling the results to don't care much if the quality degrades significantly - these are the same folk who dubbed records / CDs onto cassette tapes, DVD onto VHS, and carried cameras into theaters. In short, DRM doesn't stop pirates. DRM may even encourage people to become pirates who otherwise wouldn't bother, either out of frustration with onerous restrictions or fascination with the circumvention techniques themselves. So what we're left with is: DRM, as the industry views it, is by definition consumer-unfriendly. The only real question now is, who will shoulder the bulk of t
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Yep... In the pre-Linux days a friend of mine used to say of Unix, not that "it's not user friendly" but that "it's user hostile." :)
Kevin
no, it's just extremely picky about who it's friends are. IF you're not an old balding overwieght monk you aren't its friend.
-- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
So does the Mac
Yes.
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
and Linux
Ad far as I know, it does not. Not like Windows or Mac anyways.
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
If not why not?
Linux is not a multimedia operating system. Also it is open source and it could just be modified or removed and hollywood would s**t their pants.
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Someone really needs to come up with an innovative solution to DRM that's both consumer friendly and industry friendly.
Forget DRM. We need to figure out a new payment model for the artists and movie creators. I don't think a artist needs to be paid for every duplicate mp3 created. Think about the replicators on Star Trek TNG. When the captain orders his Earl Gray should the people who programed the tea in the replicator get paid every time the tea is replicated, or should they be paid once for their services?
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Forget DRM. We need to figure out a new payment model for the artists and movie creators. I don't think a artist needs to be paid for every duplicate mp3 created. Think about the replicators on Star Trek TNG. When the captain orders his Earl Gray should the people who programed the tea in the replicator get paid every time the tea is replicated, or should they be paid once for their services?
For the first time ever, I hit the 5 button on your post. :)
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Someone really needs to come up with an innovative solution to DRM that's both consumer friendly and industry friendly.
Contradiction. Right now, the single most consumer-friendly medium for distribution is an MP3 download - they're small, they play on almost anything, and you can back them up and restore them without worrying about separate keys or subscription expiration. The single most consumer-friendly storage format is the lowly compact disc. They're easy to carry, easy to copy, fairly durable, readable and playable on all major platforms, and easy to convert to MP3 for the advantages that that format brings. Between these two formats, the rights of the consumer are extremely well managed. The problem, from the music industry's viewpoint, is that they also allow for "rights" that consumers don't have - unlimited duplication, for instance. The bigger problem (although they are a bit more reluctant to come right out and admit it) is that they do nothing to abridge those rights that they wish the consumer didn't have: conversion between formats (no revenue selling you what you've already paid for), backups (no revenue selling you what you lost). The latter is one of the big reasons why the most common storage format for digital video (DVD) is so much more troublesome than the CD was for music - they've tried to lock-down everything, from the ability to produce duplicates to the ability to forward past ads and notifications. Note that this all has very little to do with piracy, which is, has been, and likely always will be rampant. The large-scale pirates just press exact copies of entire discs, side-stepping any simple software-based protection. The small-scale pirates use any number of techniques to work around or strip out the software protection, confident in the knowledge that the people they're giving or selling the results to don't care much if the quality degrades significantly - these are the same folk who dubbed records / CDs onto cassette tapes, DVD onto VHS, and carried cameras into theaters. In short, DRM doesn't stop pirates. DRM may even encourage people to become pirates who otherwise wouldn't bother, either out of frustration with onerous restrictions or fascination with the circumvention techniques themselves. So what we're left with is: DRM, as the industry views it, is by definition consumer-unfriendly. The only real question now is, who will shoulder the bulk of t
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
What's driving the DRM stuff? Is it Microsoft itself or the entertainment industry?
The entertainment industry. If Microsoft "legally" wants to create software that can play HD-DVD's or BluRay then they have to bake in DRM. The hardware vendors have to do the same. What really burns me about the whole thing is that you have to buy a whole new monitor that supports the encrypted information. If you just bought a brand new high quality 30inch wide screen monitor without HDMI or HDPC or whatever its called then you cannot play high definition hollywood movies until you purchase a new monitor. I do not want computers to be like this. I would really like for all my hardware and software to be without DRM so I can **** hollywood and have a good solid computer system clean of evil.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
The entertainment industry. If Microsoft "legally" wants to create software that can play HD-DVD's or BluRay then they have to bake in DRM. The hardware vendors have to do the same. What really burns me about the whole thing is that you have to buy a whole new monitor that supports the encrypted information. If you just bought a brand new high quality 30inch wide screen monitor without HDMI or HDPC or whatever its called then you cannot play high definition hollywood movies until you purchase a new monitor. I do not want computers to be like this. I would really like for all my hardware and software to be without DRM so I can **** hollywood and have a good solid computer system clean of evil.
Well if people didnt steal music and movies it wouldnt be nessasary would it? Its because of people like you so get used to it.
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Thats another thing I don't like about Vista. Its loaded with DRM crap that just complicates and slows things down. It would be neat to have a good clean high performance version of Windows newer than XP. I guess if I keep dreaming it might come true. :sigh:
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lol Other people voted a 2 for your post. I'm wondering how many people can't/don't want to see the light of the matter. I'm all in favor of hating Windows Vista for the built-in DRM, but feelings don't metter. Vote with your wallet. I already have.
ROFLOLMFAO
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
The entertainment industry. If Microsoft "legally" wants to create software that can play HD-DVD's or BluRay then they have to bake in DRM. The hardware vendors have to do the same. What really burns me about the whole thing is that you have to buy a whole new monitor that supports the encrypted information. If you just bought a brand new high quality 30inch wide screen monitor without HDMI or HDPC or whatever its called then you cannot play high definition hollywood movies until you purchase a new monitor. I do not want computers to be like this. I would really like for all my hardware and software to be without DRM so I can **** hollywood and have a good solid computer system clean of evil.
Well if people didnt steal music and movies it wouldnt be nessasary would it? Its because of people like you so get used to it.
Let's put it another way: a minority's actions lead to the entertainment industry + the computer industry screwing almost everyone, and you're in support of the screwing.
ROFLOLMFAO
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Let's put it another way: a minority's actions lead to the entertainment industry + the computer industry screwing almost everyone, and you're in support of the screwing.
ROFLOLMFAO
Ri Qen-Sin wrote:
Let's put it another way: a minority's actions lead to the entertainment industry + the computer industry screwing almost everyone, and you're in support of the screwing.
I didnt say I was in support of it
Ri Qen-Sin wrote:
ROFLOLMFAO
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